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UNKNOWN_370 03-28-2013 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by b15 (Post 2237659)
I don't get the people that say it'll still $xxxxxx for a Chevy, Nissan, whatever. You have porsche owners looking down at the GTR saying its still a Nissan. Who cares. Everyone buys their cars for a reason.

While I dont like the Camaro, and never have, it has a loyal fan base who will buy it. Just like the Z.

Ha... I'm a fan of Z's, Camaro's, GT-R's and Porsche's. :tup: If only I could own them all. :excited:

UNKNOWN_370 03-28-2013 07:29 AM

2014 Camaro Z/28 Powered by Racing-Proven LS7 V-8

Lightweight, high-flow features contribute to balanced performance, estimated 500 hp

2013-03-27


http://i.imgur.com/8HSkMmJ.jpg



DETROIT – The racing-proven LS7 7.0L V-8 powers the all-new 2014 Camaro Z/28 – the most track-focused production model in the car’s history. It’s matched with a TREMEC TR6060 six-speed manual transmission with unique gearing tailored to the LS7’s performance characteristics for optimal track performance.

The Z/28 engine is adapted from the LS7 used in the C6 Corvette Z06, which was developed in conjunction with Corvette Racing. It is rated at an estimated 500 horsepower (373 kW) and 470 lb.-ft. of torque (637 Nm) in the new Camaro Z/28, with a maximum engine speed of 7,100 rpm – a broad rpm range that contributes to higher power and allows the driver to hold gears longer between shifts on the track. That helps keep the engine at peak power for quicker lap times.

“The LS7 lives on in the all-new Z/28, extending a performance legacy while delivering great power density in a lightweight package to give this exciting new Camaro a great feeling of control and balance,” said John Rydzewski, assistant chief engineer for small-block engines. “It introduced exotic materials and racing-influenced solutions that keep it at the forefront of high-performance technology.”
The LS7 is the most powerful naturally aspirated production engine ever from General Motors and, upon its launch in late 2005, was the first GM engine to receive SAE-certified power ratings.

“In the Camaro lineup, it complements a range of great V-8 choices, starting with the 426-horsepower LS3 in the Camaro SS and ending with the supercharged LSA rated at 580 horsepower in the Camaro ZL1,” said Rydzewski. “The LS7’s low mass and high rpm capability make it the perfect choice for the lightweight, track-capable Z/28, exemplifying all the strengths and attributes of the small-block architecture.”

Hand-assembled at GM’s Performance Build Center, in Wixom, Mich., the LS7 shares the basic Gen IV V-8 architecture as the Camaro SS’s 6.2L LS3 engine, but it uses a unique cylinder block casting with pressed-in steel cylinder liners to accommodate the engine’s larger diameter, 104.8mm cylinder bores – with deck-plate boring and honing for optimized bore geometry. It also uses a dry-sump oiling system to ensure full lubrication during the 1.05-g cornering loads the Z/28 is capable of producing.

Internally, the LS7’s reciprocating components use racing-derived lightweight technology, including titanium connecting rods and intake valves, to boost horsepower and rpm capability – and reduce overall engine mass. The titanium connecting rods provide perhaps the most direct link from the racetrack. They weigh just 464 grams apiece, almost 30 percent less than the rods in the LS3. Besides being lightweight, which enhances high-rpm performance and rpm range, titanium makes the rods extremely durable.

Additional engine highlight include:
Forged steel main bearing caps
Forged steel crankshaft
Titanium connecting rods with 101.6-mm stroke
Aluminum flat-top pistons
11.0:1 compression
High-lift camshaft
Racing-derived CNC-ported aluminum cylinder heads with titanium intake valves and sodium-filled exhaust valves
Hydroformed “tri-Y” exhaust manifolds
High-capacity, liquid-to-liquid oil cooling system
Unique cold-air induction system with low-restriction K&N air filter
Unique engine cover with “Camaro 427” identification.
The LS7 exhaust system for the Z/28 is unique and features a tri-Y header design to take advantage of the V-8’s firing order. Primary pipe pairings join cylinders one and five, then three and seven on the left bank, with cylinders two and four and six and eight paired on the right bank. At each bank, the primary pairings collect into a secondary Y, delivering a combination of pulse separation of adjacent firing cylinders and improved scavenging for the engine’s firing order of 1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3. A dual-mode exhaust system and large, three-inch-diameter pipes complement the manifolds’ tuning and low restriction. The optimized header and exhaust system improves torque and sound quality from the LS7 engine.

High-flow heads
The LS7’s CNC-ported aluminum cylinder heads are designed to meet the high airflow demands of the engine’s 7.0-liter displacement, as it ingests more than 100 cubic feet more air per minute than the LS3 V-8 – a nearly 20-percent increase in airflow. To process that airflow capability, a hydraulic roller camshaft with 15mm intake and exhaust valve lift is used to allow plenty of air to circulate in and out of the engine.

To ensure optimal, uninterrupted airflow, the LS7’s heads have straight, tunnel-like intake runners. Very large by production-vehicle standards – even racing standards – they are designed to maintain fast airflow velocity, providing excellent torque at low rpm and exhilarating horsepower at high rpm.

The heads feature 70cc combustion chambers that are fed by 56mm titanium intake valves, which are larger yet lighter than the valves in the LS3. They are partnered with 41mm sodium-filled exhaust valves, which feature hollow stems partially filled with a special sodium material that melts and liquefies around 205 degrees F (96 C). The inertia from the valves’ opening causes the liquefied sodium to move up inside the stem, dissipating heat better than a conventional exhaust valve.

To accommodate the large valve face diameters, the heads’ valve seats are Siamesed; and, taken from experience with the engines of Corvette race cars, the LS7’s valve angles are held at 12 degrees – vs. 15 degrees for the LS3 – to enhance airflow through the ports to get it into the combustions quicker and with less turbulence.

Dry-sump oiling system
A dry-sump oiling system is used with the LS7 and is designed to keep the engine fully lubricated during the high-cornering loads the Camaro Z/28 is capable of producing. A 10.5-quart reservoir delivers oil at a constant pressure to a conventional-style oil pump pick-up at the bottom of the engine. The pressurized oil feed keeps the oil pick-up continually immersed in oil at cornering loads exceeding 1.05 g.

Oil circulates through the engine and down to the oil pan, where it is sent back to the reservoir via a scavenge pump. The large-capacity reservoir, combined with a high efficiency air-to-oil cooler, provides necessary engine oil cooling under the demands of the engine’s power output. With the dry-sump system, oil is added to the engine via the reservoir tank – which includes the oil level dipstick.

Then and now
The engine in the original 1967 Z/28 was a 302-cubic-inch (4.9L) small-block rated at 290 horsepower and 290 lb-ft of torque. It was created by marrying the iron cylinder block of Chevrolet’s 283 V-8, which had 4.00-inch bores, with the crankshaft of the larger-displacement 327 engine, which delivered a 3.00-inch stroke, creating the 302-cubic-inch displacement that accommodated the engine-size regulation for SCCA’s Trans Am-2 class.

With its aluminum cylinder block and heads, as well as a composite intake manifold – and no heavy carburetor – the LS7 engine in the 2014 Camaro Z/28 weighs approximately 20 percent less and produces nearly 73 percent more horsepower than the 1967 302 engine.
Founded in 1911 in Detroit, Chevrolet is now one of the world's largest car brands, doing business in more than 140 countries and selling more than 4.5 million cars and trucks a year. Chevrolet provides customers with fuel-efficient vehicles that feature spirited performance, expressive design, and high quality. More information on Chevrolet models can be found at 2013 Chevy Cars, Trucks, SUVs, Crossovers and Vans | Chevrolet.
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2014 CHEVROLET CAMARO Z/28 ENGINE SPECIFICATIONS

Engine

7.0L V-8 (LS7)
Displacement (cu in / cc):
427 / 7008
Bore & stroke (in / mm):
4.125 x 4 / 104.8 x 101.6
Block material:
cast aluminum
Cylinder head material:
cast aluminum
Valvetrain:
overhead valve, two valves per cylinder
Fuel delivery:
SFI (sequential fuel injection)
Compression ratio:
11.0:1
Horsepower
(hp / kW @ rpm):
500 / 373 @ 6300 (estimated)
Torque (lb-ft / Nm @ rpm):
470 / 637 @ 4800 (estimated)
Recommended fuel:
premium required
EPA-est. fuel economy
(city / hwy):
15 / 24

b15 03-28-2013 07:31 AM

Haha I wouldn't mind a GTR next to my Z.....and an LFA on the other side to complete the japanese trio

m4a1mustang 03-28-2013 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Coon-azz (Post 2237636)
Ok, I get it. But at the end of the day, Its still gonna be something like 50K for a Camero...

Yeah, and some people pay $40k+ for a Z. That's just life. :icon17:

shadoquad 03-28-2013 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2237686)
Yeah, and some people pay $40k+ for a Z. That's just life. :icon17:

Plus, the ZL1 already makes me drool a bit.

m4a1mustang 03-28-2013 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 2237687)
Plus, the ZL1 already makes me drool a bit.

:iagree: I quite like it.

UNKNOWN_370 03-28-2013 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2237686)
Yeah, and some people pay $40k+ for a Z. That's just life. :icon17:

Don't forget that a fully loading touring,sport, convert hits a laughable $50,000.

:inoutroflpuke:

I love my Z and i don't gripe about what I paid for it because i fought my azz off to get my $3,100 discount. If i had to pay MSRP? A Z wouldn't be in my driveway. Also, My MSRP in 2011 was $1500 cheaper than now. I don't see any value in the refresh price increase, :ugh2:

Mikes350z 03-28-2013 07:44 AM

While I appreciate the sarcasm I dont mean exclusive as in a ferrari, and correct me if im wrong because this is a subjective point of view but most people I know assume the Z is out of their reach. I have friends who always joke they cant afford a Z yet have mustangs and camaros. Perhaps exclusive was wrongly used but I do believe the perception of the Z is that its a more exclusive car due to pricing. A base Z can be had for a great price compared with stangs and camaros but that doesnt change the perception.

To me most people think mustang and camaros are cheap entry sports cars while Z's will set you back. I didnt say its an exclusive club no one can be in, I said the perception of the Z is just that, people think they are expensive cars and most can't obtain them. But maybe thats just my experience from peoples statements to me about the car? Who knows?

m4a1mustang 03-28-2013 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikes350z (Post 2237697)
While I appreciate the sarcasm I dont mean exclusive as in a ferrari, and correct me if im wrong because this is a subjective point of view but most people I know assume the Z is out of their reach. I have friends who always joke they cant afford a Z yet have mustangs and camaros. Perhaps exclusive was wrongly used but I do believe the perception of the Z is that its a more exclusive car due to pricing. A base Z can be had for a great price compared with stangs and camaros but that doesnt change the perception.

To me most people think mustang and camaros are cheap entry sports cars while Z's will set you back. I didnt say its an exclusive club no one can be in, I said the perception of the Z is just that, people think they are expensive cars and most can't obtain them. But maybe thats just my experience from peoples statements to me about the car? Who knows?

Exclusive was the wrong word, then. Rare? Relatively, yes, it's a rare car.

But the Mustang 5.0, Camaro SS, and 370Z all cost about the same. If you can afford one, you can easily afford the other. So no, a "select few" do not own the 370z. And I haven't met anyone that thought the Z was expensive... but maybe that has to do with where I live. It's a cheap car here.

Mikes350z 03-28-2013 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2237705)
Exclusive was the wrong word, then. Rare? Relatively, yes, it's a rare car.

But the Mustang 5.0, Camaro SS, and 370Z all cost about the same. If you can afford one, you can easily afford the other. So no, a "select few" do not own the 370z. ;)

Absolutely and thats what I was trying to say perhaps wrongly conveyed. The Z isnt owned by a select few because that implies we are selected somehow like someone buying a Ferrari Enzo. The perception however by people at least in my circles is that its an expensive car out of peoples price range.

I agree and always tell people it costs the same to get into fully loaded Mustangs and Camaros but thats I guess where "rare" comes into play whereas I wrote "exclusive." There just arent as many Z's compared to a stang or camaro so people automatically assume its rarity goes hand in hand with an aire of exclusivity so to speak.

After all this feedback I guess ALL I meant was that the Z to me looks better overall and while not as fast I'd take great looks and good speed over great speed and ok looks.

UNKNOWN_370 03-28-2013 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikes350z (Post 2237697)
While I appreciate the sarcasm I dont mean exclusive as in a ferrari, and correct me if im wrong because this is a subjective point of view but most people I know assume the Z is out of their reach. I have friends who always joke they cant afford a Z yet have mustangs and camaros. Perhaps exclusive was wrongly used but I do believe the perception of the Z is that its a more exclusive car due to pricing. A base Z can be had for a great price compared with stangs and camaros but that doesnt change the perception.

To me most people thing mustang and camaros are cheap entry sports cars while Z's will set you back.

But who knows?

They're intimidated by the cost of foreign parts but don't know that Nissan parts are close in price to domestics. Most people feel they can fix a camaro or mustang in their garage while they are intimdated by the Z's advanced engines and the possible cost of repair or not having enough room in the bay to fix an issue without expensive equipment. Also, 4 seats can save you $300 annually in car insurance over 2 seats.


The Z is a Cult car, not an exclusive car. :tup:

m4a1mustang 03-28-2013 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2237712)
They're intimidated by the cost of foreign parts but don't know that Nissan parts are close in price to domestics. Most people feel they can fix a camaro or mustang in their garage while they are intimdated by the Z's advanced engines and the possible cost of repair or not having enough room in the bay to fix an issue without expensive equipment. Also, 4 seats can save you $300 annually in car insurance over 2 seats.


The Z is a Cult car, not an exclusive car. :tup:

The Z's engine is no more advanced than a Mustang 5.0 to fix. It's one of the easiest cars to work on save for the demon bolt. :icon17:

Mikes350z 03-28-2013 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2237712)
They're intimidated by the cost of foreign parts but don't know that Nissan parts are close in price to domestics. Most people feel they can fix a camaro or mustang in their garage while they are intimdated by the Z's advanced engines and the possible cost of repair or not having enough room in the bay to fix an issue without expensive equipment. Also, 4 seats can save you $300 annually in car insurance over 2 seats.


The Z is a Cult car, not an exclusive car. :tup:

Well put. And from now on I shall use the term cult, I guess as I stated up above exclusive was wrongly used when I lacked a better term.

ImportConvert 03-28-2013 08:06 AM

I never went for the Camaro's looks, and I wouldn't buy this one with the new platform right around the corner, just like I wouldn't buy a '14 mustang GT, either. I'd sit tight, wait it out a year, see what comes out, wait another year and see if it has some fatal flaws or not, and THEN make my decision. That's just me. We are in no-man's land right now for automobiles. Everyone is raiding parts-bins trying to slap together something to boost sales for the last 1-2 YM's of aging platforms.

ImportConvert 03-28-2013 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2237713)
The Z's engine is no more advanced than a Mustang 5.0 to fix. It's one of the easiest cars to work on save for the demon bolt. :icon17:

Fair enough, but I'd MUCH RATHER be wrenching under the hood of a corvette than under the hood of a mustang, camaro, or 370Z. Same for a Viper. Both of those cars are heaven to work on, comparatively...except the 'vette transmission.

UNKNOWN_370 03-28-2013 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2237713)
The Z's engine is no more advanced than a Mustang 5.0 to fix. It's one of the easiest cars to work on save for the demon bolt. :icon17:

We know that... But a lot of people that stick to domestics don't.:tup:

m4a1mustang 03-28-2013 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2237726)
We know that... But a lot of people that stick to domestics don't.:tup:

I don't know about that. Most of the domestic people I know know that since the 350 the Z has been VQ powered. Common engine, easy to work on. :tup:

UNKNOWN_370 03-28-2013 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2237729)
I don't know about that. Most of the domestic people I know know that since the 350 the Z has been VQ powered. Common engine, easy to work on. :tup:

Not here in Tx. People think my engine is some kind of complicated marvel. They see twin intakes and trip out. lol

m4a1mustang 03-28-2013 08:30 AM

Interesting. I have never experienced these reactions.

b1adesofcha0s 03-28-2013 08:50 AM

The people who think it's really expensive are the same people who think it's a Porsche....or people who can't afford one anyway. At least that's what I've experienced.

StangerGT 03-28-2013 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by speedfreek (Post 2237264)
Didn't say they weren't all I stated was that the LS7s had issues early on. I am sure you can build the engine for boost. There are builds with 700-800 rwhp with no issues reported.



This is what I was talking about. It was an issue with the LS7 early on. Given over the years of development I would hope the primary issues have been fixed. Still there is a reason why they chose to supercharge the LS3 for the ZR1 and not the LS7 due to it having thinner cylinder walls. Reliablity issues.

I wasn't trying to get this off topic was just replying to boosting it. I like the direction Chevy is going with the Camaro similar to what Ford has done with the Mustang. For the track I would go with this Z28. It's going to get even better when they get to the ATS chassis. Even lighter weight.

The LS7 is probubly the best option for track use. An N/A setup is reliable and doesnt produce the same kind of heat. which is probubly why they stuck it in the z28. And if i recall the VQ motor had its issues early on as well...

bigdog1250 03-28-2013 10:01 AM

This car is a monster. Chevy is doing things right. They definitely deserve a round of applause for this.

The only thing I'm scratching my head on is the lack of Xenon lights. I'd take the extra few pounds to have those. Perhaps it will be an option though, we'll see.

m4a1mustang 03-28-2013 10:09 AM

My guess is they feel it's not necessary on a track-oriented car.

UNKNOWN_370 03-28-2013 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by speedfreek (Post 2236908)
Only issue with going FI on the new Z28 is the use of the LS7. This could prove to be problematic if you are not happy with its NA numbers. The LS7 has thin cylinder walls and high compression. Not good at all for boost since they are prone to blowing up stock. There is a reason why they supercharged an LS3 and called it an LS9 and put it in the ZR1.

Your first post, you made it sound like the Z06 is still blowing engines and is not capable of holding boost... period. No mention of early on.

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedfreek (Post 2237264)
Didn't say they weren't all I stated was that the LS7s had issues early on. I am sure you can build the engine for boost. There are builds with 700-800 rwhp with no issues reported.



This is what I was talking about. It was an issue with the LS7 early on. Given over the years of development I would hope the primary issues have been fixed. Still there is a reason why they chose to supercharge the LS3 for the ZR1 and not the LS7 due to it having thinner cylinder walls. Reliablity issues.

I wasn't trying to get this off topic was just replying to boosting it. I like the direction Chevy is going with the Camaro similar to what Ford has done with the Mustang. For the track I would go with this Z28. It's going to get even better when they get to the ATS chassis. Even lighter weight.

Now you're being more specific. The original post is somewhat misleading.:tiphat:

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Originally Posted by bigdog1250 (Post 2237896)
This car is a monster. Chevy is doing things right. They definitely deserve a round of applause for this.

The only thing I'm scratching my head on is the lack of Xenon lights. I'd take the extra few pounds to have those. Perhaps it will be an option though, we'll see.

Expect the Z/28 option list to be very short... :hello:

lol1234 03-28-2013 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cv129 (Post 2236945)
like the front...not the rear...rear somehow reminds me of an ugly version of the Honda Prelude

That was my very first thought lol!

speedfreek 03-28-2013 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by StangerGT (Post 2237800)
The LS7 is probubly the best option for track use. An N/A setup is reliable and doesnt produce the same kind of heat. which is probubly why they stuck it in the z28. And if i recall the VQ motor had its issues early on as well...

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2237921)
Your first post, you made it sound like the Z06 is still blowing engines and is not capable of holding boost... period. No mention of early on.

Now you're being more specific. The original post is somewhat misleading.:tiphat:

Expect the Z/28 option list to be very short... :hello:

Wasn't trying to be misleading. The point stands on its own with the fact that GM, the ones who build these motors, chose to boost the LS3 over the LS7. I am not saying it can't be done and once the build goes from mild to wild that certain precautions will have to take place to ensure some sort of reliability. Similar to the VQ. At some point the stock internals will not be able to handle the load placed on it and things will go wrong. As said there are builds on the LS7 in the 700-800hp range with no reported issues. Wasn't trying to make this a debate. You can boost anything with enough money.

UNKNOWN_370 03-30-2013 01:47 PM

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2014 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 ready to tear up the track | Fox News

UNKNOWN_370 03-31-2013 09:26 AM

Could the new tail lights on the Camaro, be a hint of the next retro-generation Camaro? I think, if the camaro were to go retro again, The one bodystyle it would definitely work on is the 1982-1992 Chevy camaro. Reason being, it was a futuristic style. It's Pontiac twin had it's own show based on a futuristic car. From 1982-1985 only the mitsubishi conquest was as futuristic as the camaro and it really was the ONLY thing in GM aside from corvette that was groundbraking at the time.
The bodystyle of this generation camaro, would look futuristic again while having classic lines. Kind of how a 240z body lines make it easy for a retro-styled Z.


http://image.camaroperformers.com/f/...roc-z+rear.jpg

http://images.gizmag.com/gallery_lrg/camaro-z28-1.JPG

MMC Racing 03-31-2013 09:45 AM

Not much exclusive owning a 370z in socal. You can see a 350 or 370z on the highway every couple minutes. Almost like thinking owning a truck in Texas is exclusive.

The take away from the Camaro refresh and Mustang updates is we get really screwed as 370z enthusiasts. Nissan makes tiny changes over a long lifecycle. Like someone else said, we have no direct competitor to push Nissan, but you would think the cheaper competitors would be pushing them. Such as the success of the BRZ/FRS and the evolution of the genesis. Hyundai updates at a very fast pace and they may just get it right next time.

mick 03-31-2013 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MMC Racing (Post 2242893)
Hyundai updates at a very fast pace and they may just get it right next time.

I like this Hyundai HND-9 luxury sports coupe concept :-)
It looks kinda like a bigger 370z with Lambo doors.

http://i45.tinypic.com/97tg93.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/11bmfmh.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/35k4yls.jpg

MMC Racing 03-31-2013 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mick (Post 2242936)
I like this Hyundai HND-9 luxury sports coupe concept :-)
It looks kinda like a bigger 370z with Lambo doors.

I loved that concept when I saw it a few days back from every angle except the rear. If that was the new G-uh-Q coupe, it would be a hit.

UNKNOWN_370 03-31-2013 11:58 AM

They copied Nissan concepts down to the signature "Gun-Metallic" paint. First they were copying current cars to make the genesis coupes. Ok, didn't really bother me... Now they're copying concepts. Our concept was out 3 years ago. Copying concepts I think is a much bigger crime than copying the G35.:shakes head:

Hyundai is making enough money now to try to be more original.:wtf2:

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...QchrqmdzW_OQvH

http://photocarsonline.com/blog/wp-c...image_0011.jpg

MMC Racing 03-31-2013 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2242993)
They copied Nissan concepts down to the signature "Gun-Metallic" paint. First they were copying current cars to make the genesis coupes. Ok, didn't really bother me... Now they're copying concepts. Our concept was out 3 years ago. Copying concepts I think is a much bigger crime than copying the G35.:shakes head:

Hyundai is making enough money now to try to be more original.:wtf2:

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...QchrqmdzW_OQvH

http://photocarsonline.com/blog/wp-c...image_0011.jpg

If Nissan/Infiniti isn't smart/brave enough to build their own great looking concepts, I'm glad someone is.

frost 03-31-2013 01:17 PM

Not a hyundai thread, keep it on topic.

shadoquad 03-31-2013 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by frost (Post 2243072)
Not a hyundai thread, keep it on topic.

Agree

I am super psyched about the new Z28!!!

I was afraid that the LS7 would die with the C6 Z06. I wonder if this means the NA 7-liter small black will live on!

asdfsammich 03-31-2013 03:43 PM

For sure. Z28 is a great move. I'm really digging the actual performance focus, and, from my perspective at least, cheeky nods to it, like a one speaker radio lols.




Tapatalk2 ...

asdfsammich 03-31-2013 03:51 PM

As far as all those fluffy posts about rare, exclusive etc ... not sure I dig the Z the categorized as a cult thing. Been watching too much "The Following" lately and those people are freaking nuts.

How about seeing the Z as excluded from the set of cars that have direct competition that influence kick arse development, and lets say that set is only Mustang/Camaro. Yep, I'd rather drink that koolaid lols. All semantics though, i.e. a different load.


Tapatalk2 ...

mick 03-31-2013 04:52 PM

I think only guys who are into driving the car at the track would love this car. The Z28 pretty much has no options, like a race car, compared to lesser Camaro models. For that reason, even if I could afford it, I would not consider.

UNKNOWN_370 04-01-2013 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by asdfsammich (Post 2243275)
As far as all those fluffy posts about rare, exclusive etc ... not sure I dig the Z the categorized as a cult thing. Been watching too much "The Following" lately and those people are freaking nuts.

How about seeing the Z as excluded from the set of cars that have direct competition that influence kick arse development, and lets say that set is only Mustang/Camaro. Yep, I'd rather drink that koolaid lols. All semantics though, i.e. a different load.


Tapatalk2 ...

All cult means is a small bunch of die hards that are loyal fans of anything.

I think the Z more than certifies in the cult category. But again, not a Z, or hyundai thread,

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Originally Posted by mick (Post 2243325)
I think only guys who are into driving the car at the track would love this car. The Z28 pretty much has no options, like a race car, compared to lesser Camaro models. For that reason, even if I could afford it, I would not consider.

Yeah but, this car and the 1LE are the closest you are going to get to stock track camaro's out the box. Outside the mustang Boss302. I cant think of a car $50,000 or less that can be this track capable and have this much power behind it from stock. CRAZY!!!:driving:

StangerGT 04-01-2013 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2244949)
All cult means is a small bunch of die hards that are loyal fans of anything.

I think the Z more than certifies in the cult category. But again, not a Z, or hyundai thread,

I can easily say I see more Z's around me then Camaro's... I think the Z was what you stated... maybe a few years ago. Its been around log enough now that the market is flooded with them. The used car dealer near me has like 4 or 5 sitting out front... not even one mustang.

Note... they have had mustangs in the past tho...


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