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The new cross over style 4x4's are very limited in their off road abilities, their basically limited to lightly snowed covered or mildly muddy seasonal roads. |
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Folks get caught up in equipment when the key is really driving style. If the center diff locks and you can get into 4l, it's amazing what you can accomplish. This car certainly isn't a wrangler, but it's capable of handling far more than snow and mud. |
Where do you put the winch and I'd hate to see what one would look like after trying to keep up with some real off road vehicles, and I mean real off roadiing rocks, mud, fallen trees.
Not the occasional trek down a seasonal road or some western gravel road. For real off roading you need a high ground clearance, good undercarriage protection, and a winch on the front and rear of the vehicle. That's why a lot of ppl have given up on off road 4x4's and went to a good ATV, as it makes more sense and you use the truck or suv as a hauler and base camp. |
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Ground clearance isn't bad, and there's very little undercarriage protection on any factory offroad vehicles. There's also nowhere to mount a winch on a new Wrangler. Anything you buy new requires significant aftermarket attention before taking on a real trail. It appears they are stamping it with the trail-rated badge, which does mean they traipsed the Rubicon trail in factory garb...which does say something. My point isn't that it's super capable, but not far off from most factory vehicles. I'd not purchase one, but I there's no trail I'd take a new Wrangler one that I'd hesitate to forge with the new Cherokee (at least based on the currently available information) I am curious why you believe you need two winches, though. That's new to me. ATVs are fun offroad, but the capability is totally different. There's not enough wheelbase to make it through something like Moab, and they're not much of a challenge on many other trails. |
IDK, a Jeep Wrangler which is RWD vehicle 99% of the time is better in rain or light snow then a FJ cruiser with a Full Time AWD system? Which means a computer is deciding how much power and where to send it at all times. Its the same AWD system used on the very capable 4Runner, and then of course you still have a low range just like a Wrangler. I love the Wrangler but the FJ seems like more bang for the buck.
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Just make sure you understand the trade-offs of the all time triple Torsen arrangement. |
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2014 Jeep Cherokee Revealed Off Road - YouTube I don't think I will do anything as extreme as this stuff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=z3wOo1b50i8 |
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Where's the extreme stuff? I didn't watch the whole thing but most of that could be done in an Impreza. EDIT: holy balls at the moguls in the second video. |
You don't gain much from all wheels being powered in the Rain or light snow or other situations where a Part Time system can not be engaged? Isn't that the whole reasoning behind Subaru's and why they are so good?
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My Subaru was great in snow because I was still dogging it, but from a "get to point B" perspective, my Mustang was essentially as good--actually better in deep snow due to increased ground clearance. The limiting factor is almost always your ability to stop and turn, and very rarely your ability to get moving. If the snow is deep enough that you can't get going in a Wrangler, you can take half a second to switch to 4 Hi (and likely skip it and go straight to 4lo) |
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You guys, the experts took it to the next level.:tup: I'm a sports car guy by nature. lol |
So the FJ is a Subaru with great ground clearance and a Low range for the really nasty stuff. Win Win in my eyes. It just gets horrible gas mileage.
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