An ATS 2.0 is about $40,000. But maybe year end they might throw a $5,000 incentive or something? Maybe? American car companies have stepped up. Chevy ford and the Chrysler Trio as well.
My favorite american car progressions have been.
Cadillac ATS
Jeep Grand cherokee
Chevy Corvette
Chevy Camaro
Chrysler 300
Ford Focus ST
Chevy Sonic

I think the above line-up has shown serious progression and philosophy changes in the American market.

The dash is very Benz like. I don't know, doesn't have an aggressive or sporty styling.

Went to the auto show. Just got back. Test drove the Cadillac ATS2.0T at the ride and srive event... What you think it may lack in a sporting appearance. It delivers behind the wheel. The ATS 2.0T is very responsive, smooth, Electronic steering had a good feel. A little too light at low speeds but when you get up on it. It's awesome, Acceleration feel. Near perfection for this type of car and price range. Brakes Very good. I would like to see some brems on these. I'm spoiled by my Akebono's. Basically, I liked the interior a lot. looked better than a 3 series inside, but not as nice as a 5 series. I would choose the ATS over a NEW 3 series bimmer hands down.

I also drove the jeep Grand Cherokee Overland summit:tup:. I'll leave that for another thread.

I saw the Q50 in person. Here are my opinions:

LOOKS: Pictures don't do it justice. I know many of you are picturing this car being comparable to a 3 series, but it's a new "lithe-hood" design. It's longer than an ATS, 3 series but s midge shorter than a 5 series. The car in reality, just looks like an evolution of the G37 sedan, BUT. It's like they added, dramatic lines, gave it more damatic wheels and has a slightly lower stance. slight but noticeable. The model I saw was the Q50 hybrid and I think if the Infiniti is priced fairly and can at least tie the ATS in performance. (Which I think it will beat in performance?) It will be a popular car.
The front end of the Q50 is nowhere near as awkward as in pics. In fact, it's dramatic and muscular. So muscular that maybe some people may possibly be expecting more from the sedan??? Will it deliver in that category? I don't know... But it sure looks the part. The Q50 is a nice and very classy looking car. nicer than the 3 series by a small margin, Nicer than the ATS by alot.

I find the ATS to be nice in its styling but compared to the Q and BMW, the cadillac lacks the dramatic character lines of the other two... But I think the infiniti makes a bolder statement over the BMW 3 series in terms of looks.

Just on looks... The Q50 is a surprising win. Pictures don't do it justice. I wasn't impressed with the Q looks from photo or video. I don't feel like I saw the greatest car since sliced bread either, But i like it over the other two cars mentioned in terms of style.

The ATS behind the wheel will be hard gto beat. I; m just being homest with that one.

^ would you buy one?

concerning the ATS in terms of performance? Yes.

Q50... I need to drive it first to know.

lol. Edit that a couple more times. You almost got every word spelled correctly.

You don't need to quote and reword the stuff you already posted - it's already there for people to read. Which, unless you edit your stuff and spin it around, speaks for itself.

Go google the word "quantifiers". Then go back and reread your original post. You're reaching too far - I hope you stretched beforehand. Wouldn't want you to pull anything.

PLEASE show me some hard numbers. PLEASE. Find me a comparison article from Edmunds, Motor Trend, Road and Track. PLEASE.

My condolences. I hear vaginitis is really tough to deal with on a daily basis.

MAN I was so excited when Initial D made it to Netflix Instant.

Your reading comprehension is ABYSMAL. Feel free to google that word too.

You should get into politics because you say so much without saying a Gotdamn thing... :gtfo2: Here's your limp mode bimmer.

2008 Infiniti G37 vs 2007 BMW 335i - Head to Head - Motor Trend

G37 Vs. 335i - Infiniti and BMW Face Off At The Track! Pt. 1 - YouTube

G37 Vs. 335i - Infiniti and BMW Face Off At The Track! Pt. 2 - YouTube

Here your links... As always i provide proof while a-holes just talk shyt. You have so much to say and NOTHING TO PROVE YOUR DEBATES.

In this C&D article the BMW328i won, but the G37s sedan destroyed the BMW in almost all track proven tests. BMW won for quality. Our debate here is if infiniti makes a less performing car than BMW. Well that didn't happen here. The G37 cost was equal to the 328 as well. Of course, C&D shows bimmer bias when bimmer loses in performance, but BMW won for gotta have a german car factor... Classic Catr and driver BS.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...7-sport-page-4

You can find the other two yourself.

Lastly, you can debate this topic in the right thread.

http://www.the370z.com/lounge-off-to...niti-g37s.html

I'm done with you man. You're a smart guy. So smart you say dumb shyt. You can keep posting, but you will be talkng to yourself . You got your links now... eat em. Good day.

1) I thought we were talking about coupes? But that's ok, I'll play anyway.

2) I thought it was 2013? The best you have is five year old articles?

3) I find it laughable you were able to find a way to prove your argument by pitting a 328 against a G37. I would hope the Infiniti V6 could romp on the 4 cylinder BMW.

Let me break it down the concept of product lineup for you dude:

BMW 328i <> G25
BMW 335i <> G37
BMW 335is <> G37S
BMW M3 <> G37 IPL (lol)

I know the BMWs are more expensive, but that's not what we're arguing about here. People shopping for luxury vehicles tend to gravitate toward the better vehicle without as much regard for things like MPG and MSRP.

You just tried to "prove me wrong" with links about a car that is the premium model for the segment against a car that is the entry model for the segment.

Thanks for the laughs man. Nice chatting with you.

LARGE FONTS!

Ok dude. You win. If only I had thought of using large fonts to prove my point.

It seems your reading comprehension improved further with large fonts.

Coming in here to address something else. My edits were made to fix some horrid typos, not to change or distort posts for my benefit. Thats why on the last post where you claim i changed my post when i was talking about "If infiniti did ever use a cvt, it would be on a passenger car." Notice, the time and dates. Also notice, i copy/pasted and not forum quoted. So your accusation is false. This part of the post is an addition. No other editing has been done on past posts or this post. I only added this paragraph. thats why there's an edit. Don't like being accused of doing wormy shyt i don't need to do...

Just tried to help a lady out. Peace.

Oh dude... it really doesn't matter. You're so wrapped around the axle about this whole thing. I offered my opinion as part of a conversation and you didn't like it. We discussed further. You made several inaccurate points. Then you inject childish statements like the one above "Just tried to help a lady out." Seriously man.

It sounds a lot like you work for Nissan or Jatco from how butthurt you got over the fact that I didn't necessarily like this Infiniti picture that you posted. It's also hilarious that you don't understand the technology in your own car from its origins and terminology to its shift times.

It's mind-numbing that you don't consider the G or the Q to be a passenger car but the JX is considered to be a passenger car. They're ALL passenger cars!

Truth of the matter here, really, is that you posted something and wanted everyone to lick its balls and when someone didn't, you got butthurt. I don't need to change my post, increase my font size, or change my font color to make that point.

Furthermore - if you really were confident in your assertions, factual information, etc, you probably wouldn't have to say things like "just tryin to help a lady out" and repeating my own quips back to me. Seriously... how old are you?

I know there will likely be some further childish attempt at having the last word here sometime later, but I hope this thing gets locked up and you can inject your all-knowing fourth grade mentality in some other thread.

:facepalm:

Oh so you're not a girl??? Sorry, I thought you were judging by the way you go on and on and on and on. Even when you still haven't proven your main arguments. You spend days analyzing potential flaws in my posts.Then, 2 or 3 days later after intense use of your thesaurus, you come on here with snappy come-backs that only took 65 hours to create.

You bore me!! Go away!!!

Look who's editing now. Good thing you took out that premium member BS

I actually edited to be nice.

Since you're busy playing in 2008, I leave you with this:
In Contrast: Audi S5 vs. BMW 335i vs. Infiniti G37S

And since you seem to think the G is even marginally competitive to the BMW, I will leave you with these sales figures, which are very likely signs of the future for these new snoozefest Infiniti Qs:
BMW 3 Series Wins 2012 Compact Luxury Sports Sedan Sales Crown, Infiniti G in Third Read more: http | German Car Forum

I will also add that, for the record, I have a job. So while there are those that live and die over every single one of the posts made in this forum, there are those of us that pay for our own 370Zs and can't make a post within the aforementioned 65 hour timeframe requirement because they have actual work to do.