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FL 4Motion 01-17-2013 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 2115513)
I'm upside down, and I'm looking to buy land at the beginning of '14, and a house being built 2 years after that, or so. I think I would be best served to just keep my 370Z until I break even in it, pocket the personal injury and depreciation monies, and then trade the 370Z when I break even or come close or decide to put down monies to make up the difference. Less than a year in of ownership, that's not something I want to do.

When I break even, the '15 GT will be out, BRZ STi will be out if it ever will be, and I will have a new body-style of 370Z to consider, maybe.

I guess since a house and land are my goals first and foremost, this is the best solution. Using this accident as an excuse to downsize will just land me upside down in ANOTHER car. Mine may be dicked up, but I can rake them over the coals until they get it RIGHT, and it is still a $45K MSRP vehicle. If indeed I am $5K upside down, plus $5K in damages to resale value, that is a $35K car that I will owe $45K on, and that's BS. I would rather just keep this until it breaks even and dump it, or, if it's doing just fine by then and not giving me issues, just keep it until it dies of natural or irreparable causes.

Even if I radically down-sized into a $25K car, I would still be paying $35K for it when everything is all said and done is my guess, and that's opposed to the $43K or so I financed. I would be paying on a note that is $8K less, which is something like $100/mo which means nothing to me and wouldn't help me in any way other than I would hate my car and be able to save another $100 a month, which I am currently saving $2K a month, so another 5% per month, or $1200/year. Not worth it.

Thoughts/ideas?

/\ you're right about keeping it being the best option, $$$ wise, no quesiton. Good repair job and it'll be almost as good as new. I say almost b/c if you're like me, it could objectively be good as new but it'll still eat away at you anyway.

Keep focused on the big picture, house etc, that's what's really important not the car.

Finally, depressing thought, you could wind up getting a new car and a week later be involved in anohter accident due ot ashitty driver so if taht happened again to your Z, you'd be less upset than if it happened to your new car...

UNKNOWN_370 01-17-2013 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2116879)
You wanna calibrate butts too? :roflpuke2:

As long as they are female. :tup:

bigsix 01-17-2013 10:29 PM

Something that comes to mind w/ "better balance & handling" is an E90/92 BMW M3. Same front-engine/RWD layout, but with a 4.0 liter V8. The coupe version has that cool carbon=fiber roof to 'lower the center of gravity' :driving:

However, a 2008 example will cost a bit more than your $35k budget. . . closer to $45k.

FL 4Motion 01-17-2013 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2117029)
As long as they are female. :tup:

clearly, you are on the wrong forum...

ImportConvert 01-17-2013 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 2116995)
/\ you're right about keeping it being the best option, $$$ wise, no quesiton. Good repair job and it'll be almost as good as new. I say almost b/c if you're like me, it could objectively be good as new but it'll still eat away at you anyway.

Keep focused on the big picture, house etc, that's what's really important not the car.

Finally, depressing thought, you could wind up getting a new car and a week later be involved in anohter accident due ot ashitty driver so if taht happened again to your Z, you'd be less upset than if it happened to your new car...

Yea, that's kindof where I'm at. I'm not as into cars now that I'm more into class 3 firearms. Shifted hobbies, so I'm not as freaked as I would be a year ago.

FL 4Motion 01-17-2013 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 2117523)
Yea, that's kindof where I'm at. I'm not as into cars now that I'm more into class 3 firearms. Shifted hobbies, so I'm not as freaked as I would be a year ago.

Just stay on top of that bodyshop and don't accept anything less than perfection. I made a bodyshop change out the screws holding the fender liner to the fender on a vehicle taht was in an accident a long time ago b/c they didn't match the oem ones.

I'm sure it will turn out well tho, seems like that bodyshop is decent. There'll be a plethora of really good cars coming out within the next 3 years or so so when your's is paid off, you'll have lots of options.

wilsonp 02-10-2013 01:24 AM

Second Davey trying an EPS NSX before giving up on EPS :)

ImportConvert 02-10-2013 08:59 AM

Car has not been touched, yet. Insurance company's adjustor is saying that I wrecked my own car (even though insurance and their insured have formally accepted responsibility) and that the rims on the right side were already destroyed/curbed to **** (even though the body shop it's at now, the RIGHT one, says metal is flaking off of the curbing and it's definitely fresh).

I'm still in a rental. No work has happened yet. I'm going to spill as much metaphorical blood as I can via my lawyer. BTW, here is a pic of his toy, my lawyer is a bit of a car enthusiast himself:
http://i46.tinypic.com/10di87p.jpg

UNKNOWN_370 02-10-2013 04:11 PM

Your lawyer is from Jersey.

ImportConvert 02-10-2013 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2158276)
Your lawyer is from Jersey.

No, I don't believe so. He bought the car (a 2008) a couple years ago for a steal off Ebay out of NJ. I don't want to publish the price, but it was a total steal.

UNKNOWN_370 02-10-2013 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 2158434)
No, I don't believe so. He bought the car (a 2008) a couple years ago for a steal off Ebay out of NJ. I don't want to publish the price, but it was a total steal.

Back home(tri-state area), lotus depreciate fast and aren't too hard to get.

cossie1600 02-10-2013 09:35 PM

Lotus depreciate fast everywhere. The car is not reliable, not practical, not super fast and not affordable. The whole idea of lightweight, great handling BS wears out pretty quickly unless you spend a lot of time at the track

UNKNOWN_370 02-14-2013 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 2158774)
Lotus depreciate fast everywhere. The car is not reliable, not practical, not super fast and not affordable. The whole idea of lightweight, great handling BS wears out pretty quickly unless you spend a lot of time at the track

Exactly... :iagree:

UNKNOWN_370 02-14-2013 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2115589)
In the context of comparing far upmarket, sure. I actually remember people bitching about the electric steering. A lot of those complaints are outdated at this point.


Far more feedback than the 370z, though, which is what he has as a reference...

I saw an episode of Motorweek and they tested the 2014 Boxster. They came away extremely impressed with how much the Boxster improved. The only complaint they had... "Numb Feel From Electric Steering." Even high end, there are complaints.

Red__Zed 02-14-2013 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2164615)
I saw an episode of Motorweek and they tested the 2014 Boxster. They came away extremely impressed with how much the Boxster improved. The only complaint they had... "Numb Feel From Electric Steering." Even high end, there are complaints.

Some people just like to complain.

bigsix 02-15-2013 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2164615)
I saw an episode of Motorweek and they tested the 2014 Boxster. They came away extremely impressed with how much the Boxster improved. The only complaint they had... "Numb Feel From Electric Steering." Even high end, there are complaints.

I like the new Boxster a lot (!) . . . I think it's Porsche's new Flagship Sports Car. . .

ImportConvert 02-15-2013 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2158440)
Back home(tri-state area), lotus depreciate fast and aren't too hard to get.

I think he got a good deal. In the 30's a few years back when he bought it.

It's a toyota, how is it not reliable?

cossie1600 02-15-2013 09:07 AM

The engine is from Toyota and it is reliable. Everything else isn't.

bigsix 02-15-2013 09:29 AM

That's a big plus; a Lotus having a Toyota drive-train/engine. The best in power, refinement, & reliability.

UNKNOWN_370 02-15-2013 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by bigsix (Post 2166444)
That's a big plus; a Lotus having a Toyota drive-train/engine. The best in power, refinement, & reliability.

lolololololololol :icon18: I know this has to be sarcasm!!!!!

I wouldn't ever put a Lotus in my "Cars to own list." But that's just me.

UNKNOWN_370 02-15-2013 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bigsix (Post 2166207)
I like the new Boxster a lot (!) . . . I think it's Porsche's new Flagship Sports Car. . .

Meh... never been a fan of drop tops. I'd much rather have a Cayman S or R.

Targa tops are more my taste.

ImportConvert 02-15-2013 06:08 PM

Anyway, the car is FINALLY being worked on. It took a month for the insurance company to agree to replace my rims (factory, curbed to ****), and to agree to use OEM parts 100%. I just bought 4 Michelin PSS tires, as well. I am really, really hoping that she looks and drives like new, because after looking and looking, nothing appeals to me. I want the 2015GT, or the 2017 RX7, or the BRZ STi, after they cave and admit that they can fit a Turbo in there and a nicer interior, but I don't lust for anything currently sub $40K or so on the market today.

On a side note, the Kia and I have bonded. Optima isn't a bad car at all for a cheap family sedan. I like the large trunk and have threatened numerous people with such. With the 370Z, they never took me serious. With the Kia, they know they would fit.

UNKNOWN_370 02-20-2013 06:25 AM

Kia Optima's are really nice. A much more respectable design for an enthusiast to be forced to drive around in a family sedan than many of the current designs. :tup:

ImportConvert 02-22-2013 09:19 AM

Allegedly, I am to pick my car up today. I bought Michelin PSS's in the mean-time and they will be on the car when I pick it up.

UNKNOWN_370 02-22-2013 09:25 AM

Good luck with that... Hope they did a good job.

ImportConvert 02-22-2013 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2179025)
Good luck with that... Hope they did a good job.

Indeed.

ImportConvert 02-22-2013 06:03 PM

Picked my car up.

-I noted some SMALL amounts of trash near the edges of a couple of panels, but otherwise the paint and matching was flawless. This is very minor, literally one pebble-ding and "more damage" would be present than that. I have seen new cars with similar on show-room floors (C6 'vette).

-Body panel alignment is excellent except for one side of the rear-bumper which they readily agreed to fix this Tuesday.

-One TPMS sensor is dead. It was new, and arrived that way, and none were available to replace it with in this area. It will be replaced at the same time the bumper is adjusted.

-Just looking at the car, the front tires/rims look to have more camber to them than I remember, and the car pushes a lot less in corners than I remember (A product of driving a Kia Optima for a month?). I really like how it feels, and I think it feels a lot more neutral than I remember it, again, maybe just in my head. Whatever the case, it reminds me a little of my old Z06. The front end feels "lighter" than I recall and weights up nicely in a corner and doesn't push. I like it.

-The Michelin PSS tires are what this car should have come with. Potenza's are pure junk compared to these. Very pleased. Maybe that's also part of the handling improvements, I bet so. Very good tire.

-Unless I discover something horrible, I'm keeping my 370. They replaced everything with OEM Nissan parts, and the paint job matches flawlessly as best I can tell, it would be stupid to flip the car 1 year into ownership when I don't have any equity in it and am trying to move later this year.

m4a1mustang 02-22-2013 06:38 PM

Welcome to the PSS club. They make everything better.

Tazicon 02-22-2013 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Davey (Post 2116336)
I owned an AP2. I know you have an AP1, and the steering racks are different, however the complaints go back to the AP1 as far as I know.

The commentary about the S2000 is out there. All you have to do is google "s2000 numb steering" and look at the pages of results and discussions at a variety of motorsports sites. Have you done that yet?


I had to Google it as I was thinking about one for a track car...................wow there is a lot of feed back about S2000's not having feedback! lol

Tazicon 02-22-2013 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 2158774)
Lotus depreciate fast everywhere. The car is not reliable, not practical, not super fast and not affordable. The whole idea of lightweight, great handling BS wears out pretty quickly unless you spend a lot of time at the track

But I tell you what they are a blast to drive! I wouldn't DD one but heck I would own one for the right price!

UNKNOWN_370 02-23-2013 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 2179806)
Picked my car up.

-I noted some SMALL amounts of trash near the edges of a couple of panels, but otherwise the paint and matching was flawless. This is very minor, literally one pebble-ding and "more damage" would be present than that. I have seen new cars with similar on show-room floors (C6 'vette).

-Body panel alignment is excellent except for one side of the rear-bumper which they readily agreed to fix this Tuesday.

-One TPMS sensor is dead. It was new, and arrived that way, and none were available to replace it with in this area. It will be replaced at the same time the bumper is adjusted.

-Just looking at the car, the front tires/rims look to have more camber to them than I remember, and the car pushes a lot less in corners than I remember (A product of driving a Kia Optima for a month?). I really like how it feels, and I think it feels a lot more neutral than I remember it, again, maybe just in my head. Whatever the case, it reminds me a little of my old Z06. The front end feels "lighter" than I recall and weights up nicely in a corner and doesn't push. I like it.

-The Michelin PSS tires are what this car should have come with. Potenza's are pure junk compared to these. Very pleased. Maybe that's also part of the handling improvements, I bet so. Very good tire.

-Unless I discover something horrible, I'm keeping my 370. They replaced everything with OEM Nissan parts, and the paint job matches flawlessly as best I can tell, it would be stupid to flip the car 1 year into ownership when I don't have any equity in it and am trying to move later this year.

Do more modding and you'll see marked handling improvements. You think the car feels better now? Add sways, endlinks,swifts and spacers. You will be in awe. :tup:

It doesn't take a lot of money to make handling excellent. You just don't listen to us. lol

ImportConvert 02-23-2013 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2180333)
Do more modding and you'll see marked handling improvements. You think the car feels better now? Add sways, endlinks,swifts and spacers. You will be in awe. :tup:

It doesn't take a lot of money to make handling excellent. You just don't listen to us. lol

I just don't care that much. I'd rather buy another suppressor, or AK47, or something else. Also warranty, as much as it breaks, I do not want to void it. 370Z isn't very robust in my experience. Best to not give Nissan any more excuses other than my CBE.

Mike 02-23-2013 10:40 AM

Glad you are happy with the repairs!

DLSTR 02-24-2013 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2179821)
Welcome to the PSS club. They make everything better.

Its the single most effective addition one can make to the Z. The rest do not give nearly as much effect so immediately.

ImportConvert 02-24-2013 09:32 AM

Well, the brakes are messed up again. I doubt the wreck caused it as much as me just driving the car every day and getting used to it as it progressed and then being out of it for over a month, I can immediately tell after my first abrupt slowing from highway speeds that the rotors are warped again. I'm going to have Nissan just replace it. They turned it down a LOT last time to get all the warp out of it. I have literally never seen a rotor this pathetic. That's the one thing I do keep missing about my 'vette. It was made to stand up to AT LEAST daily driving duties :(

*sigh*

Glad to have her back, but annoyed at the constant piddly repairs that this thing has to have to remain enjoyable. Yes, I'm keeping it, but no, I'll never subject myself to another Nissan product. WAY! too maintenance intensive. Definitely getting extended warranty on this car. I recommend it to everyone who owns one of these. I'm still waiting for my power-steering to go out. Groans like some of the old donks I see on the bad side of town, but Nissan says "Normal". Oh, well, wait until it goes TU and have it replaced. *sigh*.

Yeah, frustrated. Sucks. Hate all the corners Nissan cut on such a beautiful vehicle.

cossie1600 02-24-2013 07:10 PM

Rotors rarely warp, it's pad deposits.

Red__Zed 02-24-2013 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 2182319)
Rotors rarely warp, it's pad deposits.

Yep. The stupid low dust OEM pads make cleaning easy but leave deposits like a mother

cossie1600 02-24-2013 09:47 PM

The key is to bed your pads in properly. If you are lucky, you might be able to remove them by running the brakes really hard and basically re-bed them. You have to either smell the brakes or fade the brakes to a point where you don't have a pedal anymore.

Z_ealot 02-25-2013 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 2181573)
Well, the brakes are messed up again. I doubt the wreck caused it as much as me just driving the car every day and getting used to it as it progressed and then being out of it for over a month, I can immediately tell after my first abrupt slowing from highway speeds that the rotors are warped again. I'm going to have Nissan just replace it. They turned it down a LOT last time to get all the warp out of it. I have literally never seen a rotor this pathetic. That's the one thing I do keep missing about my 'vette. It was made to stand up to AT LEAST daily driving duties :(

*sigh*

Glad to have her back, but annoyed at the constant piddly repairs that this thing has to have to remain enjoyable. Yes, I'm keeping it, but no, I'll never subject myself to another Nissan product. WAY! too maintenance intensive. Definitely getting extended warranty on this car. I recommend it to everyone who owns one of these. I'm still waiting for my power-steering to go out. Groans like some of the old donks I see on the bad side of town, but Nissan says "Normal". Oh, well, wait until it goes TU and have it replaced. *sigh*.

Yeah, frustrated. Sucks. Hate all the corners Nissan cut on such a beautiful vehicle.


Had my 2011 sport package Z for a little over a year and have no idea what the heck you're talking about as far as rotors warping. Have had to stomp on the brakes more than enough living in southern california and never had any problems with the brakes afterwards.

ImportConvert 02-25-2013 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 2182319)
Rotors rarely warp, it's pad deposits.

I said the same thing until the shop had to turn one of my front rotors TWICE and take a ton of metal off of it to get it "true". I read all the same Stop-Tech articles or whatever, thought just what you are saying. I may still be wrong, but they couldn't clean it up without turning it down a lot. So who knows?


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