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b1adesofcha0s 08-23-2012 11:35 AM

2012 Motor Trend Best Driver's Car
 
Motor Trend just finished up this year's competition for best driver's car. This competition is not supposed to be about the numbers, but about the driving experience and how much confidence the car inspires in the driver.

2012 Motor Trend Best Driver's Car - Motor Trend

My biggest problem with this list is them putting the Aventador last. Seriously? I'm not saying it should have won, but definitely shouldn't have been in last place. I wonder if they would have ranked it any differently if they hadn't boiled the clutch fluid. I was also disappointed to see the McLaren in 5th, I expected it to win.

No surprise that the 911 won, but the biggest surprise was definitely how well the C63 did. I was definitely expecting it to be on the bottom somewhere, but it actually finished in 2nd!

Spikuh 08-23-2012 01:18 PM

No 370z?!?!?

Well, I guess it makes sense. Wouldn't be a competition otherwise. :roflpuke2:

Unless they included the 5.0 also...trollololo

b1adesofcha0s 08-23-2012 01:24 PM

I gave you the recipe for the ultimate driver's car in your sig. They just didn't include it on their list because it doesn't come from the factory like that.

shadoquad 08-23-2012 01:26 PM

Pretty terrible list.

Nismo89 08-23-2012 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1883167)
Pretty terrible list.

:iagree:

Red__Zed 08-23-2012 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Spikuh (Post 1883149)
No 370z?!?!?

Well, I guess it makes sense. Wouldn't be a competition otherwise. :roflpuke2:

Unless they included the 5.0 also...trollololo

:icon17:

b1adesofcha0s 08-23-2012 01:34 PM

I agree with some of it, but most of the list is crap. Though I haven't driven any of those cars, so I really can't accurately comment on how they should be ranked. I'd still put the Aventador at #1 though since you know it's that awesome. Also, Batman drove one /discussion.

shadoquad 08-23-2012 01:36 PM

The concep of a "driver's car" is subjective by nature.

b1adesofcha0s 08-23-2012 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1883198)
The concep of a "driver's car" is subjective by nature.

Pretty much.

HKYStormFront 08-23-2012 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spikuh (Post 1883149)
No 370z?!?!?

Well, I guess it makes sense. Wouldn't be a competition otherwise. :roflpuke2:

Unless they included the 5.0 also...trollololo

they only test cars that are new or revised for the year. also, the only reason the 2013 GTR was included was because they had one in their long term fleet. as they stated in the article multiple times, the testing is about how the car feels to the driver, not which ones provides the fastest lap times. they also stated that the aventador they tested was way heavier than the one they drove in italy and also felt strange. maybe they had a suspension setting wrong? i can't imagine that they had to add 300 lbs of structural reinforcement (and/or emissions) equipment to make it street legal here. that probably would have put it higher up in the pack. after reading the comments by the editors i thought the mclaren would have scored much higher but like they said, the car does too much for you while you drive it. many of my friends (who've never been in the car much less driven one) argue that the GTR does the same thing but they explicitly say that's simply not the case.

early prediction for next year's BDC: the new viper will be top 3 :D

XwChriswX 08-23-2012 01:54 PM

http://worthwhile.typepad.com/.a/6a0...b756970c-800wi

HKYStormFront 08-23-2012 01:55 PM

:completely unrelated pie chart:

b1adesofcha0s 08-23-2012 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by HKYStormFront (Post 1883245)
they only test cars that are new or revised for the year. also, the only reason the 2013 GTR was included was because they had one in their long term fleet. as they stated in the article multiple times, the testing is about how the car feels to the driver, not which ones provides the fastest lap times. they also stated that the aventador they tested was way heavier than the one they drove in italy and also felt strange. maybe they had a suspension setting wrong? i can't imagine that they had to add 300 lbs of structural reinforcement (and/or emissions) equipment to make it street legal here. that probably would have put it higher up in the pack. after reading the comments by the editors i thought the mclaren would have scored much higher but like they said, the car does too much for you while you drive it. many of my friends (who've never been in the car much less driven one) argue that the GTR does the same thing but they explicitly say that's simply not the case.

early prediction for next year's BDC: the new viper will be top 3 :D

They also added the 2013 GT-R because there were some revisions. A bit of a power bump and some suspension tweaking. Yeah the Viper should do well next year.

Spikuh 08-23-2012 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HKYStormFront (Post 1883245)
they only test cars that are new or revised for the year. also, the only reason the 2013 GTR was included was because they had one in their long term fleet. as they stated in the article multiple times, the testing is about how the car feels to the driver, not which ones provides the fastest lap times. they also stated that the aventador they tested was way heavier than the one they drove in italy and also felt strange. maybe they had a suspension setting wrong? i can't imagine that they had to add 300 lbs of structural reinforcement (and/or emissions) equipment to make it street legal here. that probably would have put it higher up in the pack. after reading the comments by the editors i thought the mclaren would have scored much higher but like they said, the car does too much for you while you drive it. many of my friends (who've never been in the car much less driven one) argue that the GTR does the same thing but they explicitly say that's simply not the case.

early prediction for next year's BDC: the new viper will be top 3 :D

It's joke bro. I read the article before it was posted here. :P

And they think the extra weight on the Aventador is because of the heavier type of CF being used on the production model. Also, the 2013 GTR is in there because it was REVISED, not because it was in their long-term test fleet. It simply happened to be the same one.

b1adesofcha0s 08-23-2012 02:10 PM

Didn't they say though that the one they drove in Europe was a prototype?

theDreamer 08-23-2012 02:11 PM

The Aventador sucks, that is why.
Unless I have one in my garage, then it is cool. ;)

b1adesofcha0s 08-23-2012 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 1883318)
The Aventador sucks, that is why.
Unless I have one in my garage, then it is cool. ;)

:gtfo2:

HKYStormFront 08-23-2012 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1883289)
They also added the 2013 GT-R because there were some revisions. A bit of a power bump and some suspension tweaking. Yeah the Viper should do well next year.

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Originally Posted by Spikuh (Post 1883303)
It's joke bro. I read the article before it was posted here. :P

And they think the extra weight on the Aventador is because of the heavier type of CF being used on the production model. Also, the 2013 GTR is in there because it was REVISED, not because it was in their long-term test fleet. It simply happened to be the same one.

yea but the mustang was "revised" this past year since it got new tail lights and front fascia/headlights and a slight power bump. it wasn't included in this test. had they not had the 2013 GTR on hand, i doubt it would have been a part of this test.

b1adesofcha0s 08-23-2012 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HKYStormFront (Post 1883366)
yea but the mustang was "revised" this past year since it got new tail lights and front fascia/headlights and a slight power bump. it wasn't included in this test. had they not had the 2013 GTR on hand, i doubt it would have been a part of this test.

Ummm did you happen to miss the GT500 in there? No reason to include both the 5.0 and the GT500. :ugh2:

Also they've included the GT-R in the past 3 years even though they didn't have a long term car all those years.

HKYStormFront 08-23-2012 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1883401)
Ummm did you happen to miss the GT500 in there? No reason to include both the 5.0 and the GT500. :ugh2:

Also they've included the GT-R in the past 3 years even though they didn't have a long term car all those years.

true, didn't think about that :facepalm: you sure about the GTR? i know it was in there last year but i don't remember it being there the year before...

b1adesofcha0s 08-23-2012 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by HKYStormFront (Post 1883407)
true, didn't think about that :facepalm: you sure about the GTR? i know it was in there last year but i don't remember it being there the year before...

Yeah they had mentioned that it won 2nd place in the past 2 years before this one. They also said that GT-R handled better last year and that there was more mid corner understeer this year.

HKYStormFront 08-23-2012 02:39 PM

as close as the competition is, it wouldn't surprise me if the difference was a suspension alignment difference (which can make a big difference). the tires are the same specs and the car still weighs the same. its not like 15 more hp is going to suddenly change the dynamic characteristics. from what i've heard, the VR was heavily revised though, i think it got new heads, cams, exhaust manifolds, etc. i think it retained the already larger turbo piping and intercoolers from the '12. think the exhaust was also a hair larger stock now too. they "revised" the suspension again but i think that was only for foreign market where they have the asymmetrical setup for RHD cars to help balance them out side to side

b1adesofcha0s 08-23-2012 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HKYStormFront (Post 1883429)
as close as the competition is, it wouldn't surprise me if the difference was a suspension alignment difference (which can make a big difference). the tires are the same specs and the car still weighs the same. its not like 15 more hp is going to suddenly change the dynamic characteristics. from what i've heard, the VR was heavily revised though, i think it got new heads, cams, exhaust manifolds, etc. i think it retained the already larger turbo piping and intercoolers from the '12. think the exhaust was also a hair larger stock now too. they "revised" the suspension again but i think that was only for foreign market where they have the asymmetrical setup for RHD cars to help balance them out side to side

That's what I thought too.

Spikuh 08-23-2012 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1883313)
Didn't they say though that the one they drove in Europe was a prototype?

Indeed. And that the prototype used a different type of CF that weighs less that the CF used on the production model.

MC 08-23-2012 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1883415)
Yeah they had mentioned that it won 2nd place in the past 2 years before this one. They also said that GT-R handled better last year and that there was more mid corner understeer this year.


that was a strange result as they only tweaked the spring rates ever so slighty thats all that was changed in the suspension

MC 08-23-2012 03:37 PM

they are doing the drag race video tomorrow

( Click to show/hide )
Lambo 10.8@132
Mclaren 10.8 @130
GTR 11.1 @124
GT500 11.6@125
991 12.0@117
ZL1 12.1@117
C63 12.1@117
XKR-S 12.5@118
BRZ 14.9 @94

b1adesofcha0s 08-23-2012 04:57 PM

That's going to be a fun one. I'm hoping the Aventador pulls out the win. No GT-R domination this year.

b1adesofcha0s 08-24-2012 10:46 PM

And I present to you, the World's Greatest Drag Race 2: Revenge of the Aventador.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaS7n6qKQe4

HKYStormFront 08-28-2012 07:20 AM

:ugh: spam...

binary0x01 08-28-2012 04:16 PM

I'd like to see their list for cars, with 4-5K in mods :)

The Z would be pushing the Porsche on that list...

b1adesofcha0s 08-28-2012 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by binary0x01 (Post 1890918)
I'd like to see their list for cars, with 4-5K in mods :)

The Z would be pushing the Porsche on that list...

Ummmm I doubt that. In a straight line race, it MIGHT be close with an amazing driver. Other than that it's not happening. This is the 911, not even the Cayman. If the Z gets $5k in mods then the Porsche will too. I'm sure the biggest overall performance improvement mod you could do with that budget would be a set of super sticky tires. Turning up the boost on the turbo cars would also help a lot.

lemon-fresh 08-28-2012 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by binary0x01 (Post 1890918)
I'd like to see their list for cars, with 4-5K in mods :)

The Z would be pushing the Porsche on that list...

911 Turbo - All 911 Models - Models - Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG

0-60 3.7s

b1adesofcha0s 08-28-2012 07:27 PM

Even with equal power to weight ratio, the 911 will be faster because of the PDK transmission.

cossie1600 08-28-2012 07:32 PM

and its weight over the rear wheels

b1adesofcha0s 08-28-2012 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 1891172)
and its weight over the rear wheels

:iagree: And this is just talking about a straight line race.

Red__Zed 08-28-2012 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by binary0x01 (Post 1890918)
I'd like to see their list for cars, with 4-5K in mods :)

The Z would be pushing the Porsche on that list...

:icon14:


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