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Apparently the Dodge people are trying to put the Challenger on a diet so it can compete with the Mustang/Camaro as well.

Most likely.

Also, IBTL. It's only a matter of time.

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Why? :rolleyes:

IBTL bitchez :p

With the whole industry going "greener." Some of the exotic lightweight materials is bound to become less expensive sooner or later. Just look at McLaren. The F1 was over 1 million dollars compared to the MP4-12C which cost a quarter of that. It took McLaren 3500 hours to piece together the F1's carbon fiber tub. The MP4-12C takes about 4 hours. If/when Ford and GM wake up and invest in this tech, I can only imagine how truly awesome these high powered engines will perform.

Because a lot of people on here get butthurt when people bring up these discussions. It ALWAYS happens.


On topic: Congrats to GM, each car has their pros and cons and IMO if someone can comfortably afford either of these cars then they shouldn't give a sh1t what anyone thinks.

First, YES...the ZL-1 beat the GT500 in this test however, consider the track layout. If you know anything about racing you'll quickly realize that there are "tight" and "open" tracks so the ZL-1 beating the GT500 on a tight track does not surprise me in the least. With the ZL-1 having the independent suspension I would expect it to beat out the GT500 in handling (tight or open track). Keep in mind, while the GT500 can handle and handle well, let's be honest, the car was designed for 1/4 and higher speed tracks. I would not take a GT500 and try to run tight tracks and given the ZL-1's suspension again...it would not surprise me to see it beat out the GT500 on a more open track however, I would expect the result to be pretty close.

Of course, from a roll, 0-60, 1/4, 1/8, or any other straight line race the GT500 will easily walk a ZL-1. Both are great cars so as a GT500 owner the competition is welcome. Keep in mind that the driver plays a major role as well. A lot of people see what some experienced drivers can do and reality hits when they go to a trackday and end up in the grass or run the 1/4 mile and find themselves slower than expected.

Ford has already established a relationship with DOW Chemical for the purpose of developing/producing light weight materials for future models. The goal is to make it cost-effective to use light weight carbon composites on mass-produced vehicles. Everything from a sub-compact to a minivan.

Was thinking about looking for a job there, but it's all the way in DE. Wouldn't be able to work on cool research stuff without a PhD though :(

I came into this topic expecting the gt500 to be down by at least 2 seconds. I love the fact that it's too much power for a racetrack and still laps a near identical time as a car who's skippad ratings are some of the highest production G's recorded. Long live the muscle car era.

I hope they do a review similar to the "budge supercar shootout" and have Randy Pobst run them the same way he did with the GT500, Z06, and GTR in this video:

GT-R vs Z06 vs GT500: 5-Figure Supercar Shootout! - YouTube

However, I would like to see the GTR replaced with the ZL-1. Let's be real here...the GTR is on its own level, that car is simply a MONSTER especially in 2013 having 550HP.

BTW...How are you liking your 2013? (off-topic: if you run into the 1st to 2nd gear grind issue, several people have found that either switching to the MGW shifter or removing the rubber boot cures the problem. )

Ever since my 350z years ago, I've learned not to shift 1-2 while the wheels are spinning. Ever since learning that little facet of information I've never had a problem with the 1-2 shift. I'd rather save my transmission than risk it for a .02 second better 1/4 time. But regardless I will research what you've told me. Thanks :)

I love that the fight is starting again. Only good things come from Competition!

I do the same thing, I actually find that NOT speed shifting leads to better times in these cars. On the street, I do not even bother with 1st since it simply bakes tires even if I baby it. I think maybe when I put the drag radials on it will help. I am envious of your traction control, how well does it work on the street? Have you come across any ZL-1's? in my area I have only seen on and that was at a dealership (black ZL-1 which looked pretty nice)

I hope the next Camaro gets not only lighters but smaller. The Camaro is a pretty big car. I know it needs the space for the engine etc but its also just looks big imo.

I still enjoy it in yellow though :yum: