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FromG2Z 09-24-2011 08:15 PM

So Steve you have the Ford Racing Performance Parts axle backs, with X pipe, correct? LOL, took me a while to figure out what FRPP means. I was looking at Borla's site, so is that the same as the S-type axle back then?

m4a1mustang 09-24-2011 08:20 PM

Yeah, from everything I have read and researched, the FRPP Sport = Borla S-Type and FRPP Touring = Borla Touring. Of course David Borla will never admit they are the same. When I talked to him about it he danced around the question but acknowledged that Borla did indeed make the FRPP mufflers for the 5.0.

I do have the FRPP X pipe, but for whatever reason fitment is really bad. It was a PITA to install. I actually need to have the Cat-to-X connections welded if I want to keep it; I've got a sizeable exhaust leak at the moment.

FromG2Z 09-24-2011 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1328148)
Yeah, from everything I have read and researched, the FRPP Sport = Borla S-Type and FRPP Touring = Borla Touring. Of course David Borla will never admit they are the same. When I talked to him about it he danced around the question but acknowledged that Borla did indeed make the FRPP mufflers for the 5.0.

I do have the FRPP X pipe, but for whatever reason fitment is really bad. It was a PITA to install. I actually need to have the Cat-to-X connections welded if I want to keep it; I've got a sizeable exhaust leak at the moment.

Very interesting Steve. Thanks for the great info. So in my research and listening to your vids, I really like the FRPP sports. And since they're Ford, should be all covered under warranty right :)

So any benefits to ordering/going beyond the axle backs? They sounds fantastic with just the axle backs. Does ordering the cat backs just give you an x-pipe? And where do you recommend buying them for best price?

Red370 09-25-2011 06:12 AM

Welp, decided to head up to the Frankfurt Auto Show yesterday with my speed adrenaline junkie Fraulein in tow, got a chance to open the Stang up on the way, I pegged it out completely, car is definitely held back due to drag issues but I reached 160 quick, fast and in a hurry. I recorded a little 80 to 130 pull in 5th gear if yall wanna see it. Of all the cars there, there were a few that definitely stood out.

Ford EVOS

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...03694167_n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...80001014_n.jpg

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...56845987_n.jpg

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...38178744_n.jpg

and this badass little gem:

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...69482774_n.jpg

fvcking love that flat paint.

Red370 09-25-2011 06:20 AM

and a few more:

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...98541459_n.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...03933782_n.jpg

this fuckstain wouldnt get out of the way
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._9498254_n.jpg

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...06910214_n.jpg

Riced out Veyron:
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...61403322_n.jpg

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...05036771_n.jpg

new M5

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...31430275_n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...23513910_n.jpg

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...59741186_n.jpg

Porsche Carrera
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...15285994_n.jpg

New Focus ST
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...92957645_n.jpg

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...24672600_n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...14751893_n.jpg

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...02304282_n.jpg

m4a1mustang 09-25-2011 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FromG2Z (Post 1328246)
Very interesting Steve. Thanks for the great info. So in my research and listening to your vids, I really like the FRPP sports. And since they're Ford, should be all covered under warranty right :)

So any benefits to ordering/going beyond the axle backs? They sounds fantastic with just the axle backs. Does ordering the cat backs just give you an x-pipe? And where do you recommend buying them for best price?

TBH I'm not sure about FRPP parts and warranty; I think if you order through the dealership and have them do the work there is some sort of limited warranty on parts, but for something like exhaust I wouldn't be concerned with that.

Axlebacks obviously are just for sound. Power gains from swapping the mufflers are absolutely nada... zilch... nothing! The real gains with the 5.0 are when you replace the cats with HFCs or just get rid of them outright.

The Cat-back is going to give you all of the piping from the cats back. In the case of the Borla S-Type cat back, the H is replaced by an X and the factory resonators are deleted.

In my case, I don't care about squeezing any extra power out of the car through the exhaust. I wanted to keep the stock cats. The only change I wanted was with the sound, and by swapping the mufflers and X pipe I could achieve that goal rather easily.

If you don't mind spending the money, and if you want it a little louder (due to the deletion of the resonators), I would consider getting the Borla S-Type cat-back. You get your X pipe and you replace all of the piping back to the mufflers.

FWIW, though, the gains from just a catback are minimal. Most come from the headers and cats. There are a TON of options out there, so just take your time and sift through them all!


@Red, good stuff! :tup:

Alchemy 09-25-2011 09:21 AM

Awesome pics Red! Love that fvcking Evora!

FromG2Z 09-25-2011 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1328399)
TBH I'm not sure about FRPP parts and warranty; I think if you order through the dealership and have them do the work there is some sort of limited warranty on parts, but for something like exhaust I wouldn't be concerned with that.

Axlebacks obviously are just for sound. Power gains from swapping the mufflers are absolutely nada... zilch... nothing! The real gains with the 5.0 are when you replace the cats with HFCs or just get rid of them outright.

The Cat-back is going to give you all of the piping from the cats back. In the case of the Borla S-Type cat back, the H is replaced by an X and the factory resonators are deleted.

In my case, I don't care about squeezing any extra power out of the car through the exhaust. I wanted to keep the stock cats. The only change I wanted was with the sound, and by swapping the mufflers and X pipe I could achieve that goal rather easily.

If you don't mind spending the money, and if you want it a little louder (due to the deletion of the resonators), I would consider getting the Borla S-Type cat-back. You get your X pipe and you replace all of the piping back to the mufflers.

FWIW, though, the gains from just a catback are minimal. Most come from the headers and cats. There are a TON of options out there, so just take your time and sift through them all!


@Red, good stuff! :tup:

Thanks Steve! After further research last night and this morning... I think I've narrowed it down to axle backs for sure, but choosing between Borla S-type axle backs, or Roush axle backs. Any thoughts on the Roush? I know they're cheaper ~400. But they sound great too! Any feedback on drone? I think I read there's hardly any either.

Red__Zed 09-25-2011 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by FromG2Z (Post 1328486)
Thanks Steve! After further research last night and this morning... I think I've narrowed it down to axle backs for sure, but choosing between Borla S-type axle backs, or Roush axle backs. Any thoughts on the Roush? I know they're cheaper ~400. But they sound great too! Any feedback on drone? I think I read there's hardly any either.

To be honest, I put zero faith into the sound descriptions I read on most forums.

The Roush sound very raspy to me. I think the tone is nice though

FromG2Z 09-25-2011 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1328492)
To be honest, I put zero faith into the sound descriptions I read on most forums.

The Roush sound very raspy to me. I think the tone is nice though

I know what you mean Red... but I have no choice... not much other stangs around here, modded with exhausts no less. You think the Roush's sound raspy? Which you like better? I have the Borla S's as my other option because the FRPP's are not stainless/polished tips, right?

Red__Zed 09-25-2011 09:59 AM

I love the sound of steve's exhaust, so frpp sport or s type sounds like a great option to me. I have a hard time dropping $700 on just mufflers though.


From what I've heard on the car though, there is no better option.

m4a1mustang 09-25-2011 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FromG2Z (Post 1328486)
Thanks Steve! After further research last night and this morning... I think I've narrowed it down to axle backs for sure, but choosing between Borla S-type axle backs, or Roush axle backs. Any thoughts on the Roush? I know they're cheaper ~400. But they sound great too! Any feedback on drone? I think I read there's hardly any either.

I have heard the Roush in person before and it sounds pretty good. It does seem to have a bit of rasp but wasn't too bad from what I remember. Not really sure on drone.

Another good option would be the GT500 mufflers. Louder than stock with no drone. Not as loud as the Roush or Borlas, but if you wanted more volume you could always delete the resonators. A lot of people really like this setup.

FromG2Z 09-25-2011 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1328512)
I love the sound of steve's exhaust, so frpp sport or s type sounds like a great option to me. I have a hard time dropping $700 on just mufflers though.


From what I've heard on the car though, there is no better option.

Exactly my thoughts too Red. $700 on mufflers! :( My invidia catback were 700~ish...lol.

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1328525)
I have heard the Roush in person before and it sounds pretty good. It does seem to have a bit of rasp but wasn't too bad from what I remember. Not really sure on drone.

Another good option would be the GT500 mufflers. Louder than stock with no drone. Not as loud as the Roush or Borlas, but if you wanted more volume you could always delete the resonators. A lot of people really like this setup.

I will have to check that out. GT500's mufflers with no resonators eh? How much would that set me back?

Also, are your FRPP's polished, Steve?

m4a1mustang 09-25-2011 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FromG2Z (Post 1328538)
Exactly my thoughts too Red. $700 on mufflers! :( My invidia catback were 700~ish...lol.



I will have to check that out. GT500's mufflers with no resonators eh? How much would that set me back?

Also, are your FRPP's polished, Steve?

The mufflers are not, they just look OEM, but the tips are rolled stainless steel.

Here's the GT500 axle-back (with resonators) for your reference:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD58WGi6mMo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeBhgiwujNw

Late Model Restoration has them in stock for $255 not including shipping: 2011-2012 Mustang GT/GT500 5.0L/5.4L Ford Racing GT500 Style Axle-Back Exhaust Kit M-5230-Mgtca1 at LRS - Same Day Shipping!

The Roush:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYGodmWzbas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLsSxX4X40o

Roush will be a lot louder. Depends on the sound you are going for.

b1adesofcha0s 09-25-2011 11:53 AM

Nice pics Red :tup:


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