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ImportConvert 03-28-2011 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1016170)
Edmunds is hardly a good source for performance testing, though. I wouldn't put too much weight in their numbers other than their particular driver is faster with the GT500 than he is with the Boss... which too me likely means he wasn't really wheeling the Boss around the corners like he should have been. :)

Well he was equally fail in all 3 cars, so it still stands regarding objectivity.

I didn't hear this whining about Edmunds being "off" when everyone posted the stats for the '12 GT-R they tested...

m4a1mustang 03-28-2011 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1016192)
Well he was equally fail in all 3 cars, so it still stands regarding objectivity.

I didn't hear this whining about Edmunds being "off" when everyone posted the stats for the '12 GT-R they tested...

I never saw the GT-R test.

Either way, I have never held them to a high standard for performance reporting. My thought was always if I'm looking for a "normal" car their information would be pretty useful.

ImportConvert 03-28-2011 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1016202)
I never saw the GT-R test.

Either way, I have never held them to a high standard for performance reporting. My thought was always if I'm looking for a "normal" car their information would be pretty useful.

I agree that they don't wring the cars out like others, BUT, the same driver drove each car on the same day. I know you can argue that you don't like the source, but it's as controlled as you will get. Maybe each car had another 2 seconds in it, but I doubt that the boss had more time left in it than the more powerful GT500. If anything, I would think the GT500 would have been harder to use given the crappy differential and excessive power/tire combo. Yet he was faster in it.

What train of logic are you following that is supportive of the man extracting less total potential from the BOSS than from the GT500?

I'm not arguing that these are the best times capable, but only about how they compare to each other.

ChrisSlicks 03-28-2011 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1016270)
I agree that they don't wring the cars out like others, BUT, the same driver drove each car on the same day. I know you can argue that you don't like the source, but it's as controlled as you will get. Maybe each car had another 2 seconds in it, but I doubt that the boss had more time left in it than the more powerful GT500. If anything, I would think the GT500 would have been harder to use given the crappy differential and excessive power/tire combo. Yet he was faster in it.

What train of logic are you following that is supportive of the man extracting less total potential from the BOSS than from the GT500?

I'm not arguing that these are the best times capable, but only about how they compare to each other.

It is easier to drive the more powerful car faster. You stomp on the gas, you stomp on the brakes and you go around the corners at the speed you are comfortable with. The lower horsepower car requires a higher level of commitment in the corners as that is the only place it is going to make up time. Horsepower always wins unless you drive like your pants are on fire.

cfweber 03-28-2011 09:15 AM

need an undercover boss!
 
I would love to have the motor

the handling

but

I'm not feeling the over the top styling

too much

GZ3 03-28-2011 09:18 AM

I saw one this weekend again when i was at the ford dealer, they look perfect for what it is...BOSS Mustang...the only thing i didnt like was that little rinky dink shifter...but thats nothing

m4a1mustang 03-28-2011 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 1016291)
It is easier to drive the more powerful car faster. You stomp on the gas, you stomp on the brakes and you go around the corners at the speed you are comfortable with. The lower horsepower car requires a higher level of commitment in the corners as that is the only place it is going to make up time. Horsepower always wins unless you drive like your pants are on fire.

This sums up the logic I was using exactly. Thanks Chris :tup:

Red__Zed 03-28-2011 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 1016291)
It is easier to drive the more powerful car faster. You stomp on the gas, you stomp on the brakes and you go around the corners at the speed you are comfortable with. The lower horsepower car requires a higher level of commitment in the corners as that is the only place it is going to make up time. Horsepower always wins unless you drive like your pants are on fire.

:iagree:

ImportConvert 03-28-2011 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 1016291)
It is easier to drive the more powerful car faster. You stomp on the gas, you stomp on the brakes and you go around the corners at the speed you are comfortable with. The lower horsepower car requires a higher level of commitment in the corners as that is the only place it is going to make up time. Horsepower always wins unless you drive like your pants are on fire.

GT500 has 480whp and tons of torque just off idle, tires only as wide as a 370Z's out back, and a differential that won't even spin both tires coming out of a corner.

Lot harder to drive that GT500 to anywhere near potential than you are thinking, compared to the LS with better tires, more tractable power, better suspension, lighter weight, better balance, and a real road-racing differential (Torsen).

So if you think a nose-heavy car on skinny tires with a ton of power and a peg-leg is an easier car to lap a road coarse in, I really don't know what I can say other than stop arguing with the results. They are what they are and all the speculation in the world won't change that in the only heads-up comparison, the GT500 won.

The driver was good enough to get EXACTLY what Ford claimed out of the BOSS--2 seconds better than the GT.

Who cares if he was getting the BEST times out of the cars, he put the spread between 'em that Ford claimed--to the letter.

Shyne 03-30-2011 08:09 PM

already at the 1/4

YouTube - 2012 Boss 302 Test and Tune

then with drag radials

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLmXeUflf4I

m4a1mustang 03-30-2011 08:12 PM

Sweet!

Here's the same car with drag radials. Stock otherwise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLmXeUflf4I

m4a1mustang 03-30-2011 08:16 PM

Damn edits! :icon17:

ImportConvert 03-30-2011 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1022377)
Sweet!

Here's the same car with drag radials. Stock otherwise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLmXeUflf4I

Looks like a dead-ringer for the base 'vette in a straight line. Very impressive!

GZ3 03-30-2011 10:12 PM

so i just read what makes a Boss a Boss over a 5.0...its basically a pretty heavily modified 5.0...its pretty crazy all the work that went into it...impressive

Red370 03-30-2011 11:05 PM

holy fucking shit that Boss is fast on some radials, that thing hooked instantly and shot out like a fuckin cannon, do want.


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