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The Genesis project.
recently i've warned a few memeber here about the Genesis.
i wish to clarify. 1 the 3.8 v6 Gen coupe track...is no threat to the Z ...it would require an estimated 2500 to get it to equal acceleration performance and possibly get close to the Z's lateral G numbers.. if it can at all....lowering and differnt sized rubber along with more chassis stiffening. 2. the 2.0T......its a mess . programming is gonna be the big issue...getting a bigger turbo and injector/fuel pump. return fuel line, intercooler, ic piping ,exhaust and intake...will not be cheap..... the spec r 2.0t is no threat whatsover in stock form. and would require...for an average Joe who has the work done for him.....4-6k to do all of the above mentioned mods and even then....350rwh or 400.....isn't all that impressive.....i beleive through NA mods the Z can attain close to 350 rwhp.....and its supension and braking are already superior. ( this is coming from a C6 Zo6 owner) 3. Hyundai is gonna screw the pooche. they will overprice their car right into the Z range. For fun i contacted a dealer for a 3.8 v6 6 speed 0-60 in 5.9 stock..... they want 30k+ in retropsec i went hunting for end of the month deals..... i can now get a 370Z for a cool 31900 ..with sport package.....if you ready to deal. and have a cashier check in hand... In short... yes there will be some fast 2.0t genesis's and i'm sure( since i've seen headers and catback and intake for the V6 Genesis) some quick V6 Genesis's as well.....but the Z is so far ahead out of the gate for just barely 1k more.... and as of right now the only correction for the Z thats an absolute need, is the ext oil cooler. In summation.....i feel bad for Hyundai. They had the right idea...but they HAVE to know that for 1k differnce.....A Nissan Z has prestige, and heritage. and there is already enough NA aplication mods for it to make it as fast as any stock LS1 ever was. And i would know. Now there is a caveat.....all those mods made for the Nissan 3.5 and 3.7 nissans.....could theorectically be reengineered for the V6 3.8... aps TT should have no issue putting a lower boost twin turbo kit on the genesis..... the fact remains that if you do the same to the Z you'll kick the Hyundai off the track. I've been doing alot of research and talking...with the genesis crowd. sadly and appoligetically i was wrong.. i beleived the hype. And was gonna get a 2.0 for my son..... Now mind you..it is Not an ugly car. if you think so you need to see a Black or red in person. they are nice...but not 30k nice.....a 5.9 0-60 doesn't cut it.......that 1.2 seconds slower than the fastest 370z tested times. that so significan't..... Now the V6 may have abit more in it that hyundai is protecing for warranteee reasons......but its a No Joy contest with the 3.7 Nissan mill. thanks for reading....any input is appreciated( except for typing critque..lol i know) |
2010 Ford Mustang GT vs. 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe vs 2009 Nissan 370Z - Specs and Test Data - Comparison - Motor Trend
Kinda agree. For a car that costs $30K dollars, the numbers aren't too good compared to Z. |
i sent Hyudai Co of America a audio song concerning there Genesis.
the 'Cars" Loser |
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I did deep research. I't a nice car...and a good try...but if it was baseball a double at best.....hell i have a Sonata....with 230 hp....and it seemed just a tad slower. Yep my daily throw anything inti it...hardly ever wash it car is a Sonata.....its pretty good car. So i though MAybe they could pull it off. There is one more thing....that may turbn everything around.....hyundai is hinting on Maybe putting in the 4.6 v8 in the coupe...now that with six speed at 375 hp and V8 torque would be a winner at the coupes weight.... but again sadly the Sedan with V8 isn't that fast either. I don't get it.....i've seen the dyno's....the tranny is a great one... gearing.. concern that its gotta feel luxurious... they have to commit to making a pure sports car. Now the Zo6 is a extreme example, but its not a terrible sport ride ..in fact its very comfortable as is the 370 Z ( moreso and similar lateral G's amazing) both my Z's are outstanding examples of how performance doesn't have to be "rough" |
Good read :)
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This is a highly debated issue but now that it has been covered six times. The best place to discuss this vehicle is in the "other vehicles" section in the Off Topic portion of the forum.
Most of these numbers are not new and have been discussed if you do a search for *genesis* Thanks for the ambition for trying to warn members here but most people here aren't cross shopping the Genesis too hard(if at all) and most of the ones that were have left already. :driving: |
I could care less about the Genesis. Thanks anyway.:thumbsdown:
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Making a car look fast doesn't make it fast or handle well
i thought....you all like to hear it from a tuner shop owner. i tried to justify some simple mods to the V6 genesis....but realized right away that the cost would easily rise above a sport pak 370z And i mingled with the most enthusiastic owners and tunershops that will specialize on the genesis.....has any other thread done such a personal job? And then Hyundai.....they are a loser.....because" if "they were to sell this car for 27k.... then its a viable alternative. the 2.0 is a mess...the V6 is ok don't know were the HP is....( the 2.0 is a mess not because the parts are hard to come by....but the tuning and possible piggyback ecu may be very costly to make run correctly.) You guys are pretty unappreciative. Why ? Zo6 maybe |
Zpilot06.. Well thought out post. Good read...
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Yes your post was informative and such.. No argument there But....Just what kind of response are you (or similar posters) looking for? You posted this topic in the 370z area,( not in the other vehicles forum btw) on a Nissan 370z site. Which, as you know are mainly frequented by people who either own, thinking of buying or just plain interested in the Nissan 370z.. The majority don't come here looking for info on Hyundai's or Chevy's. Do the same on their respective forums..See how many 370 fans you can get there. ;) And the old "No true auto enthusiasts here" or "Fanboys" lines won't fly here as well... Do a search..This topic (different makes as well) was posted and discussed numerous times by different posters. Sorry to say..Just because you and other fans of the Genesis like the car.. There's always going to be equal numbers who hate it... |
It's a sharp looking car, even though it looks like the offspring of a Civic & BMW... kind of. What turns me off so much about Hyundai (besides the lackluster performance) is how they rip off styling queues from other brands. Despite that, they did an overall good job of putting it together aesthetically.
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FYI, the fastest time for the Genesis Coupe was a 5.5 (Motor trend) WITHOUT the ECU reflash correction exihibited by the early production models. Edmunds.com did a retest of their Genesis coupe with the reflash and reduced their 0-60 time by 0.5 secs from 6.4 to 5.9. Based off this number, you could theoretically take off 0.5 seconds off the 5.5 times to make it 5.0 sec flat. Not to shabby IF this holds true. 370Z = 4.7 Genesis Coupe = 5.5 (with 2 additional seats) |
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I was in the meat of the genesis board mebers, owners and other prospective tuners....
as the 2.0T represent a possible goldmine for shops that can delevelope "pakages' that will ut the little spec r in the mid 350-380 rwhp zone. A half asses attempt was successful in this Hp acquisition. 363 rwhp but the torque curve was all funky and the map..the ecu defintely dops power as it reaches redline...pk torque was not at 5225 but more like 4000..... just plain weird. meaning Hyundai probably won't be helpful..( good news for Us.) But the ecu will be cracked or pigybacked....costing the genesisi owner a few more dollars... Now i just got an invite to Hyundai with an 11k check from hyundai corp. to buy a Genesis at msrp - 11k I just may have to do this.....i don't deny i knida like it and it grows on you....and it is similar to thhe z and a few other cars i general shape. Lastly let me address the 5.5 the motor is putting down...on a dynojet dyno just 10 hp less than a 370Z thats the difference.....so tey maybe underated.. hence the mokey numbers...... either its putting out 320 crank....or the z is lower. than 332 crank Hey can i show off my GTO with custom bodywork? aftermarket rims....and still i made it look stock...... these genesis in the pics ..some are real nice.....can't ever go wrong with a black out version.. |
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i happen to own a Zo6, a heavily modified ( all around) GTO, twice thats 2 and a moded Hayabusa.... Some i'm part of many forums. I'm no mechanic ..i leave that to my shop manager.. But i do co-own a tuner shop...specializing in turbo applications with a built in ground dynojet i would think what i presented would mean more since we got to look at and study the modibility and cost of doing such. When i can gt a sport 370Z for 31,999 why would anyone buy a Hyundai. as they are being pricks about it being a hot car, blah,blah blah. and they won't discount it..... I told the guy good expect them to launguish on the lots till you have to sell them for a loss.. Hyundai shoulld have at least = the handling and braking....or get closer. and the Dealers....OMG they are just asses as they finally got something descent....well the Sonata and Azzera and their Suv was good as well. but to not budge......they don't have Zr1's or Vipers....but they act as if. I expect some g__dman sincere respect.....lol no just a thanks would have been nice. i spent the better part of a week..talking looking, pre shopping....i think a bit more than any other thread on this subject. if its in the wrong place the moderator has power to move it into mainstream......i think it does belong here cause i am a 370z owner. Black/ tints...did the pop charger the cat delete and gonna fab up some free flowing exhaust bullets in placce of mufler..no need to increase catback diameter.... You'll lose exhaust velocity which at this point is perfect.. with present diameter tubing. and asavea few lbs with that mufler. I'm thinking a 25+ rwhp gain plus much better under the curve response |
Honestly, I'm sure the price will be cheaper than the 370z.
I don't even know why everyone compares them both... I think it would be better with the G37/335i. I think this car looks great and is heck of a deal for its price also! Just wouldn't get the first year if I was a serious buyer. Probably wait 2 years then get one. Really, really, disappointed at the hp/torque #'s. |
It's a good car for what it is. A 2.0T Track is listed for $26k and you could either make it put down more power or possibly handle as good if not better than a base Z. Please. You couldn't list a base g37 for $30k.
Most Z owners would probably be spending $50k+ on a new Cayman S if there budget were that much. |
^ I disagree. Its not alway about performance. I personally don't like the Cayman's looks
It looks too much like a Boxster to me(yes I know its the same platform). I always found the Boxter to be a weak looking car. I think the 370Z has a good performance look combined with a mid-elegance which leans toward classic. The Hyundai is ugly. It looks like a G37 had a defective baby. |
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Was not my intention^ :D
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There's no way it can match 370Z in performance. But the modded ones are very attractive in some people's eyes.
Also, 370z and prestige don't belong in the same sentence. The GTR, maybe. But someone trying to be prestigious in a Z... is kind of sad. |
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Because its not a super heavy German sedan? |
prestigious
1 : standing or estimation in the eyes of people : weight or credit in general opinion 2 : commanding position in people's minds Seems fitting for the Z |
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Hey, I'm not the one who brought prestige into this. I like the 370Z, I think it's a fantastic sports car. But you must see the hypocrisy of putting down the Genesis Coupe, saying the 370Z has prestige, and then getting upset when someone else has a similar attitude.
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The Genesis does not = this The Z is an icon and prestige is one of the words associates with that icon. Another word to use when comparing the Z to the Genesis is "Better". As in the 370Z is better overall than the Genesis in looks performance, and name. A German badge on a vehicle does not mean better, but it does say that you paid more. :D A Hyundai badge...IDK what that means...maybe you couldn't afford the Z. |
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Somebody in the market for a Genesis wouldn't be looking too hard at the Z. G37 or 3 series on the other hand....... |
Keep it civil or thread gets Locked. No personal attacks. This has always been a very sensitive subject in our forum.
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have you guys realized that its a hyundai??? thats enough already to make me not want it :roflpuke2:
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I still have a 08 Sonata....and if you really think Hyundia is garbage , you've got another thing coming......its solidly made, interior is excellent ( black leather limited edition) and its the most abused car i own as far as not taking good care of it.. Of course the LSx engine cars get there oil changed on time, and i'm constantly waxing and cleaning them.... they are hot rods...with a semi supercar mixed in. (So does the 370) charging batteries ect.....cause they sit...can't drive em all. .. the Hyundai i park and forget about ..till i need it. When called upon it, its like a Rolex.No Noise( wind) or squeaking) runs surprisingly strong for only 230hp brakes well, tracks perfect. starts on the first crank.. cargo space...cant compliment the black interior enough!!..hyundai calls it the limited edition..it really looks good, front and back, its nimble and the V6 seem bullet proof...so far... trust me when you have high hp cars you abuse the lowest one Only due to the fact you expect a certian amount of ummph! when maneuvering, passing, crossing streets and merging. The Hyundai even gets drive through car washes....something i never do to the others..and still its a good car. tthe paint has no orange peel...and is bland but quality bland. Don't get hung up on a name......i had a 84 dodge colt turbo... talk about bad names...it handled and was faster than the Z28 of the same year( i know it was a mitsu but its 105 Hp 1800lbs car could fly in that era) Hyundai is definitely a good company....your seem to be stuck on a name. So if the Genesis was a twin turbo awd 3.8 for 35k.....youd walk because it a hyundai.....( of course after its been proven) the Genesis is a Gran Tourer....it could handle and brake more like the 370 but it doesn't... Hyundai is just stupid pricing it so close to the competition....and not budging on price. The car is great if they price it 3-4 k lower than a comparable 370Z and hopfully it will happen..They are cocky right now ( due in part to all the hype.)...you want a great family car thats safe/ reliable and has pep....the Sonata is hard to beat. i admit i took the hyundai name off and only the front/ rear center emblems are on Its just not a bad car in every sense of the word......they balanced it well. So i assume the Genesis has to have the same quality if not better. but not at there price!!!!! |
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i always thought of Hyundai as a cheaper knock off version of Honda. Like the fake Gucci bags and such. :roflpuke2: |
Hyundai's stepping it up.
Movin on up, movin on up! I think we'll be seeing many genesis' and I can't wait to see it in person. It's a great looking car but it's really a heartbreaker with its hp/tq. :< I see them taking many civic tuner's! |
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You missed the whole point....i can show up in a Zo6 .or a retrofitted frnt and rear GTO....( it looks like a saleen some say And looks good) or the 370z everyone here imsure agree's its anice car..... but i often take the unused Sonata...due in part to its stealth...not attracting unwanted attention... and its solid reliability......i never said i was impressed with how fast it is..its ok. Its just your so wrong....its won many awards when compared to the 2005 sonata vs 2005 accord or camry...its target which upgraded the folowng year..in 05 they had caught them and beat them at there own game. i find it fascinating....that scompany could give rise so fast , from basic transport ...to reliable. and now almost sportcar. give them another couple of years....by 2011 they be right in the middle waging war with the best around them. |
^you sound like a dealer in Albany that was trying to sell me on the "New Genesis" last year when we were looking at an STI and a Subie/Hyundai dealership. The car didn't even exist and he was trying to sell me on it. :icon14:
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everyone seems to forget how different the auto market was 20 years ago. Hyundai may not have the same PRESTIGE (yes i said it) that the top 3 JP automakers have but It's current line up is a step in the right direction. Def agree on stupid pricing though considering that the top of the line model has #s comparable to last gen G. They are only doing what nissan should be doing for us - giving the consumer a turbo 4 banger. Where the hell is our 2500 lb Silvia?
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