Z vs Supra
 

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* Achtung! Supra owners will not like this article.

But is the b58 engine better than the nissan tt v6?
There's a youtuber papadakis racing i know i spelled that name wrong, took the bmw engine apart and said it could handle some good power from its oem hp.
Time will tell how much nissans engine can handle without rebuilding the trans and engine.
And from what I read, bmw down plays their hp. Some say its about 425hp.

But time will tell. Let's wait until the Z comes out and people test these 2 out. It will be interesting


I'll be in my bunk!

We already have these engines in the Red Sports Q50/Q60 I think they are. Not a sedan guy.

Will just have to wait until its in the showroom & drive one. :tup:

In my opinion this will be a lighter/faster RED SPORT.

Being that the Q50/60 never saw a manual transmission we wont know for sure how fast. There has been documentation of some that have swapped however still dealing with some electrical issues.

A q50/60 in auto form would be a close comparison until they revealed that it will have 9 freaking speeds.

7at is already faster off the line, so I suspect acceleration on the Z will be like no other taking advantage of max boost to change gears at those levels to keep going faster.

Weight is similar
Power is a bit higher on the Z
More TQ than the Supra

The decider will be the transmission. I already see the MT falling behind whether you like it or not.

Supra - Z AT - Z MT
First Gear Ratio 5.25 - 5.425 - 3.795
Second Gear Ratio 3.36 - 3.263 - 2.325
Third Gear Ratio 2.17 - 2.250 - 1.625
Fourth Gear Ratio 1.72 - 1.649 - 1.272
Fifth Gear Ratio 1.32 - 1.221 - 1.000
Sixth Gear Ratio 1.00 - 1.000 - 0.795
Seventh Gear Ratio 0.82 - 0.862 - ---
Eighth Gear Ratio 0.64 - 0.713 - ---
Ninth Gear Ratio --- - 0.597 - ---
Final Axle Ratio 3.15 - 3.133 - 3.538

As you can see the Supra and the Auto Z share similarities in gear ratio, in stock form the Auto Z should dominate however upon turbo upgrades that might change or might not.

The ability to have 3 extra gears than the CD trans means you wont have any issues dropping in carrying a gear past max boost since there will be another gear. Since the DCT trans is taking popularity many folks are starting to see the light with fast shifting multiple gearing trans. The Q50 7at has also been found to be a stronger upgrade for auto folks. In my opinion Nissan has never disappointed us in the strength of factory turbocharged components and I dont expect them to drop the ball with this NEW trans.

You'll start seeing fully bolted Zs hurting feelings soon. Can't wait.

Z>Supra all day and twice on Sunday.

Manual trans option

Clutch style lsd

Actually a Japanese sports car from a Japanese mark

Replacement parts etc will be cheaper (a new motor for the z should be less $$ than a new bmw I6 motor)

Subjective but the new z looks better and will age better, the Supra looks better in person than pics but it’s styling is too busy for my taste.

Can’t wait to see what the nismo version comes to the table with, that’s the one me and wifey are potentially interested in.

I actually like that new Supra. My main concern is reliability tbh. That cost on repairs for the Supra will already be more costly no doubt. If the New Z mods easily there isn't a doubt in my mind it will outsell the competition.

That is really the beauty of Nissan recycling, aftermarket support is already here for the Z and for certain basics there have been parts available for 6 years:icon17:

The biggest hurdle will be tuning, mainly for the 9 speed since it will be NEW NEW for everyone.

I don't think many Supra owner will like the new Z given the lack of fake vents it offers. :icon14:

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I reckon you are correct sir! :rofl2:

I will test it - the new Z. Certainly a new sportscar in the world of crap SUV/Boxes etc is very welcome. My 370Z treated me quite well.

I have a new 21 Supra 2.0 for daily. Red. I love it. I enjoy the looks and design overall. The curve nature of its design is nice given the overtly square/boxy look of most vehicles.
The 2.0 is much stronger than most people think and is a proven BMW powerplant with plenty of support for those who tune/mod etc.

did you test drive the 3.0 and if so - how did it compare to the 2.0? I heard the 2.0 gives a more 'balanced' feel in the curves but obviously the 3.0 is faster.

The 3.0 was on the radar always but reports of some instability with the rear end in 20 etc and having enough cars with power the 2.0 was very intriguing for a 'daily'.

The initial reports on its balance, as you say were good. Power is good, true front mid engine with the engine placement and the lost weight were nice. Excellent reports about ride comfort, and I think ok, perfect daily. Power, very nice style etc.

My mechanic at BMW is an expert on development and and has stated the 2.0 is really strong and well developed. Early issues cured motor is solid now. He does prototype testing/mechanics for BMW . He loves the Supra, the synch of Toyota tuning and BMW hardware etc. He also likes the package the 2.0 offers.

We were bold and purchase with no test as well lol :)

If the tuning is there, the Z is going to be a solid choice. It is exactly what enthusiasts needed. Manual and twins. I am honestly more excited for the turbos and I'm seriously considering going back to a manual when this drops.

Manual with twins! Supra dropped the ball with offering just automatic. Supra styling is a bit cheesy over the top imo as well. I really like the new Z's classic lines!

This guy gets it! Lol. I do love the new Supra but that BMW factor has me worried. Those cars are junk anymore. What will the new Supra be in 3 or 4 years of ownership? The thing with the Z is most (not all) have had little reliability issues with the 370 and we have owned them for years.

Junk? LOL. How do you know as a fact BMW is junk? My Z as reliable as it was needed an oil cooler to do what it was capable of doing and needed all new front brakes in less than 40,000kms.

Nissan utterly lied about it oil cooling capability with well placed and hidden coolers for test drives by the press. Lets not make idiotic accusations without facts.

Most folks Ive met who complain dont bother reading the owners manual and at times are unable to understand use effectively the machines they buy.

Even with Sport Brakes my Z was not as capable as my M235i which was a first year production 235 and was utterly bullet proof. One set of rotors replaced due wear and not the insane warping the Z's had. Filters, oil and tires. The Z was actually not cheaper to own. My M2 - superb, ZERO issues.
My 440i superb. None of my BMW's burned oil and in fact used 1 liter or less between 15000km changes lol.

Ok Im lucky. Or is it that the cars are well made. In car ownership its a bit of both. The CSC manual gearbox issue with the Z was well known. All cars have issues. Many are mechanical some are owners who bought the wrong car and or dont know how it works lol.

I tell all people my Z was a good car. Not perfect. No car is.

Toyota picked BMW inline 6 as a good engine for the Supra. Do some research on it. Strong, reliable and easily tuned for big power. The gearbox is a race proven unit and is the BEST AT on the market. All my cars have it. My M2 has the DCT. I dont miss manuals at all. Had plenty of them. If you at all serious about putting power to use, manuals are least preferred option.

I think new the new Corvette is the best sportscar per unit of cost on the market. No manual. Cant build enough can they .......................

Yea, I said it....most BMWS are junk...seen far too many of them (newer style models) breakdown with actual competent owners. Same with the cost of repairs. As for the new corvette, you mean a car damn near triple the price of everything we've mentioned lmao. No car is perfect and you are correct, but I'd rather push a Z than drive a Big Money Waster....nice novel you wrote btw

I will stick with facts about actual ownership. Novels are your specialty. I stated my experience with real actual cars. Try that on for size before you insult me with snide teen age commentary. Credibility is easy. One day you will learn that.

New Corvette published base price is 60K+$. My M2 was less but not triple less. Far from it.

Do you know the price of anything or was it your in depth research that made you state triple? LOL.

Cost of repairs. Yes such a hidden secret. Its rather easy to find out what that will be before you buy. Those competent owners are appearing less as is your non fact based delusion. One phone call to discuss maintenance and cost of a given vehicle. WOW so hard.

2 friends cars, BMW's had failures = world ends. Or was it 3 actual friends. Was it the cost of service out of warranty that made them un-happy. How about some facts. Or some interesting reasonable justifications or insights to their ownership.

Certain makes have “reputations” some earned, some not regarding reliability, cost of maintenance etc. most of these opinions are usually based on outdated data.

For example, Honda and Toyota are super reliable. Was true compared to all other makes 20-30+ years ago, today they’re still riding that positive stereotype to the bank but it’s not true and hasn’t been for a couple decades now.

Another one, Audis are unreliable and expensive money pits. True-ish in the past (pre 2014), but like dlstr stated, if you are a educated consumer, then you should know your expected running costs going in. Today tho, Audi is a very reliable make, personal experience with three different ones in our family going back to 2014. Zero major, moderate issues. And only a couple extremely minor issues.

One last one, Jeep, has a reputation for being pos vehicles. To be fair, they do deserve a lot of that from past issues. However, we’ve owned 4 wranglers over the past 20 years, 2 TJs, 1 JKUR, and one JLUR. Still have the JK and JL. Only the second TJ had issues, a paint issue and a recurring cowl leak, the other three were/are flawless. For a supposedly pos vehicle, that’s not bad eh?

Ferrari and Lamborghini are total shitboxes if you are planning on owning one and driving 10k plus per year, if they get to 100k miles that’s a miracle and running costs are through the roof.

Ask anyone who owns one if they’d rather have a z or corvette bc they’re more reliable and cheaper and see what happens. Those folks can afford the “cost of ownership”.

Umm, what were we talking about again?

Dude, I can't remember either... :rofl2:

Who knows anymore man lmao!! I was mostly kidding anyway but anyone with the ability to navigate Google can say that BMW just isn't what it used to be.

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reliability issues? you mean like the CSC from the 370? I wonder if that nice CSC component will find its way in the new Z for you manual transmission guys.:stirthepot:

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