Nissan killing 60 nameplates across their brands
 

https://www.autonews.com/automakers-...up-spring-2022

We're seeing this in every big company. Everyone downsizing. You can only offer so many crossovers to the public before they throw up.

Most corporations have neglected sedans and sports cars... Then corporations say people aren't interested when they dont sell.
They've been innovating with crossovers and I think people buy crossovers to get the most bang for their buck? Not so much that crossovers are so great. But you're getting more tech, more options and features at a lower cost than sedans. So people go toward crossovers because it fits the budget easier. There have been plenty of sedans and wagons that were storage competitive to much of the CUV market. So it's not a practicality issue.

When all these companies kill off their sedans and sports cars... yet, there's a slowdown in sales all around. In the end. A successful car company will always have balance. Something for everyone always has to be in the focus. The problem with corporations is. They think we dont know what we want so they feel they need to make decisions for us. But the truth has consistently been that... We ask for something and when they finally get around to building it. It's too little too late and too expensive.

Oh yeah. They're talking in the article how the Q60 and 370z took a nosedive. Of course!!!!

The Q60 rolled out with deficiencies that Infiniti ignored all critics and customers like me that wrote infiniti after my test drive and told them what to fix.
And the f*%kin Z is 1003 years old!!!!!! And they're talking about sport sales plummeting like Nissan made an effort beyond twisting sheetmetal on occssion???

That is because they are neglecting their coupes! Morons!

The problem with trying to please the masses (and it doesn't matter if we are talking sports cars, vehicles in general, or the last season of Game of Thrones), is that whereas a large number can agree that they want something changed, only a very small proportion of those will ever agree on a certain set of parameters to change to.

So companies take the safe route and try to come up with something that appeals to as many segments as possible while alienating as few as they can.

Hence, the target seems to be a crossover with lots of storage space, room for the soccer team, comfy seats that fold down for luggage space, a fancy exterior and a "sport mode" to make neutered men think it's still sporty, and a drive train that sips fuel while giving a gentle ride and uncomplicated driving experience. If it could exhaust only butterflies for not much extra investment, they'd do that too. Fill it with enough tech, and perhaps nobody will notice how dystopian the future really is!

Move any of these dials more than a few points either way and the mass-appeal starts to wane. So, we wind up with this homogenous fleet of bland people movers. The outliers are mainly expensive, low volume anomalies anymore. So sing the praises of people who occasionally think outside the (bland, vanilla) box.

This is exactly why the C8 is going to leave the competition in the dust. I’m still in awe that Government Motors is actually going to sell this thing for under $60.000.

Think about this... an affordable supercar you can drive everyday and get your oil changed at the local Jiffy Lube for under $60,000. Makes me wonder what you can pick up a new C7 for. They’ll have to be giving them away.

It’s nice to see someone think outside the box and I think they’ll be rewarded handsomely.

Bit of a guessing game as to what ultimately happens. As much as a company should want to eat at the majority market, how is Nissan going to compete with the Civic/Corolla, and Accord/Camry?

Mazda's been hanging for being aesthetically pleasing and generally fun to drive. Helps that they've been consistent in offering the 3 hatchback.

Hyundai has been gaining popularity because it's like the GOAT Uber/Lyft brand.

I believed this up to about a decade ago. Now I just believe they push what works for them. Nissan ignored calls for improvements after the first year on the Z. We all said we desperately need a cooler. Z's lived in limp mode on a track. They hesitated an extra 3 yrs then put a substandard oil cooler. New buyers of the Z talk like they dont have an oil cooler.
The other forums used to troll about CSC and oil consumption issues... Nisssn still hasn't addressed it. At the refresh we wanted the Nismo to be more track focused. They softened the suspension. We wanted more nismo colors. They took away a couple colors.
They sabotage themselves. Ok now forget sports cars. They asked for a AWD maxima. The Altima got it. They asked for at minimum a traditional auto in the maxima... nope. Then they wonder why they struggle. And I'm not picking on Nissan.
Chevy
Buick
Volkswagen
Subaru
Honda
Are all guilty. Toyota at minimum is trying to redeem themselves. Going with what the masses want didnt work for toyota. Now going back to performance is.
You think Kia would be doing well without the stinger. The press tells us one thing. But you read all the forums... there are thousands of enthusiasts of all types of cars being disappointed.

I really dont see it as what the people want. It's their BRAINWASHED FOCUSED advertising force feeding people the options they choose for us by neglecting what we like to the point that we wont pay 30k for an underdeveloped basic sports car.
And I dont remember sports cars being built for max profit. They've always been the break even bragging rights car to keep up brand image.

Maybe the problem is they dont view the sports car that way anymore?

Theres 6,000 left. The GS and Z06 will most likely be collectible. Make some calls. :tup:

BMW is cutting cars too. What I read is the Series 1 and 2 will be gone. M-Power, SUV/Crossover, and electric will stay. Cars over the $45,000 price tag is what they are keeping. Cars below that level does not make any money.

Here's somewhat of an example here.
Cadillac heads are saying. We expected people to be upset with what we did to the V series cars. After establishing a true enthusiast following. It's disgusting. Its sacrilegious!!!

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cadil...153200835.html

By 2030, all cars will be either suv or crossover. Small gas/diesel hybrid or electric. The EU already have a laws on the books for this. Sweden will ban all gas/diesel vehicles for sell by 2030.

GM didn't neglect the Camaro. They're still allegedly killing it. Truth is, people want more SUV's/CUV's.

Eclipse came back as a CUV
There is constant rumor mill the 370Z will, too.

In fact, Mazda's CX5 out-sold every other vehicle in their line up...COMBINED last year.

The Nissan Rogue out-sold by a MASSIVE margin everything else in Nissan's line up last year. (412K units vs the nearest competitor, the Sentra, at 213K units).

GM is killing it with crossover sales, as well, selling over 1 million of them last year.

Truth be told...people want CUV's. Simple as that, and companies are going to sell them, because companies want to make a profit. Pretty easy math, here.


Why? They are stoopid useful, do well on gas, and offer 90% of what a car/sedan does in handling and acceleration, while giving more ground clearance, cargo capacity (measured in actual usefulness, not cubic feet. Sure, a Chrysler 300 has a huge trunk and back seat, but good luck putting a book-case in one). Sports cars have and always will be a niche. Hell, I can't even own one anymore since I went semi off-grid.

I initially liked the idea of Nissan using a new 5.0 Cummins in the Titan....till I seen they wanted 60K+....:wtf2:

If tech features are what sell cars now, and to the masses, esp under 40 demographic, they are, then a sports car isn’t a halo car, the level 4 or level 5 autonomous car is, the latest battery powered electric car is, bc if it powers your iPhone, then it must be better than petrol right?

The best selling Audi is the q5, has been for a long time, they killed the tt line after the current mk III ends in 2020, the r8 is most likely gone. Best selling sporty vehicle they sell...the sq5. People think a quick straight line run from a stoplight, all any gussied up cuv is really good for, equals sports car.

Same problem different details in the Jeep/suv world, the suv is dead/dying. By suv, I mean a truck based body on frame 4x4 with a two speed transfer case. Everyone wants their suv to ride like a sedan, hence cuvs. Only real options left are wrangler and 4Runner. Same reason the solid axle has been killed off everywhere even though it’s better in 99% of cases under a truck or suv but the ride isn’t going to be Cadillac smooth. Latest JL wrangler just came out, most refined yet capable ever, it’s awesome, wife loves her’s, bunch of late drinking dipshits buy them cause it looks cool, then bitch about how it rides rough and the steering is vague, some dickless wonder actually complained that he didn’t feel safe bc of the steering when going 80 mph on the highway. Everyone who was a true jeeper astutely pointed out if that was his goal for his vehicle, then a Jeep is not for him, shoulda got a rav4.

Rant over.

Oh, one more thing fvck everyone who values comfort and safety and complacency over excitement and adventure and *** kicking. If our cars/trucks are a reflection of ourselves, and more than anything I think they are, then we are a shadow of what we once were as a nation.

They aren’t selling, Nissan routinely does 10k off sticker.

Oh, and that fancy super low emissions Cummins v8 diesel in the titan sucks, poor mpg, reliability issues. If you want a Cummins, get a ram, much better truck and a much better Cummins diesel.

I hate Chrysler, but Ram is the only truck that's sensibly priced anymore. Junk, but sensibly priced.

My 2008 Power Wagon with almost 90,000 miles has been trouble free until this summer when I had to replace the smartbar. And I beat on this truck off-road too.

Impressive!
My 2010 Jeep Grand Cherokee was trouble free until 16K miles when it need a new oil pan, and was then fine until around 60K miles when the lower control arm bushings were so rotten that the axles hit the struts on hard 1-2 shifts. It was alright then until around 70K miles when the N23 recall/update messed up t he 4WD low range and I needed to buy a PCM out of a wrecked Jeep without a recall having been programmed. That ironed things out until about 80K miles when I noticed the transmission leaking. After they pulled it out and replaced the front main pump seal, I was legit G2G until about 88K miles when the water pump went out. After fixing that, she was rock solid for about 5K more miles when the transmission leak resurfaced and a service engine light came on. I fixed that by trading it. Over all pretty solid truck, yo!

My last CX5...

...needed new diff at 34K miles because I flooded it and did not know, and 2 months later the electronic clutch shorted out/corroded some part of the solenoid and I got a service AWD light.
...needed new right fog-lamp bulb at 87K miles because it burned out/filament broke.
...needed a new fuel pump and fuel pressure regulator at 106K miles, which I think was due to bad fuel/contaminant, as they broke simultaneously and 5 minutes after a fill-up.

Absolute most trouble-free vehicle I've ever owned. Why I bought another one, in large part.

My 2013 Grand Cherokee TrailHawk. Water pump under warranty at 60,000. Had to replace the front diff at 70,000. It was making noises. Think because I was pulling it behind the motor home for 20,000 miles. There is over 80,000 miles on it and another 20,000 at least being towed by the motor home.

True, I only bought it for the Cummins engine in mine. The stupid stuff that breaks is just ridiculous. Price on the diesels, that's out the window now.

Interestingly a lot of my friends with cash to spare are buying the 6.2L SVT Raptors and throwing Rousch *sp Phase 2's on them. 590/590 hp/tq. Asked them about it and they said it's the best riding/driving offroadable truck out there. Not sure what their rationale is for the 6.2 vs. the new TT 6-cylinder though.

I need a Dually 3500 for what I do. I'll keep my 04.5 Ram 3500. A gasser won't cut it at all.

The diesel is over a $7,000 option.

Biggest reliability issue on all diesels is that people don't know how to use them. Especially in the age of DEF. They buy a truck to look cool in their driveway and pick up the occasional sheet of plywood at the big box down the street or take their toys to go play in the country or at the beach twice a year. Then they spec the diesel to save gas (or get the "diesel at the same price as a gas engine" promotion and think hell, if it usually cost more then it must be better). These engines need to get truly hot on a regular basis. Like "pull a loaded trailer 100 miles" hot. Not a 40 minute stop-go commute. They never do a proper regen cycle, and lights start coming up on the dash and the ECU de-rates the output. Those drivers DESERVE electric cars!!!

I think that the biggest reason Ram doesn't get the same complaints is that many Ram truck drivers have spec'ed diesel forever because they actually USE their trucks. Not just fart around in them.

I love my (gas) 2nd Gen Titan. It has some design issues, but the truck itself looks, sounds, and drives fantastic.

Diesel really stopped being appealing in the early 2000s, IMO, from a mechanical standpoint, due to all the BS.

IMHO, Nissan really needs to step up their game. I love my Z, but their current lineup doesn't appeal to me at all :(