2018 alfa Romeo giulia reliable?
 

https://www-motortrend-com.cdn.amppr...te-4-review%2F

This obviously EXCLUDES the Quadrifoglio. But it seems the 2.0 has gotten a reliability boost from 2017 to 2018. I may be trading my 2016 acura tlx for a 2018 Alfa Romeo Giulia Ti sport!! This has been the sedan of my dreams. Actually the quad is. But horrid reliability will keep me away. Thinking of getting it in competizone rosso with tan interior or trifecta white with red interior

Id not. I dont trust it at all, and 1 year old is hardly a reliability test. This is why I went with the cx5 instead of the slightly more athletic Alfa.

Slightly? What car planet are you on? You OBVIOUSLY haven't driven the Alfa. Your opinions are a joke... I mean really. The Mazda 3 and 6 are nice driving cars for what they are...

But you're ACTUALLY COMPARING the driving dynamics of RWD to FWD and making this statement.

You are comparing throttle response of 280hp turbo engine to a 186hp na engine. Are you comparing the zf 8 speed to whatever is in a mazda...

You can't out accelerate. Outurn out handle or outdrive the Alfa in any human way possible.

Do you say things to get a rise out of people? Or are you this mind numbingly delusional?

As far as the Alfa 2.0. It's a global engine. A derivative of a tigershark which is a reliable engine but the Alfa engine is built way more solid to handle much more power kinda like an Evo engine.

You're just so delusional it's unreal... Import, go back to sleep. Go troll a RAV 4 or CR-V forum or stop sniffing the cow manure SMH.

Show me one professional race car driver comparing a cx5 to a giulia and maybe I'll consider your mindless dribble trying to justify your ridiculous unenthusiastic CUV purchase ..

Alfa Romeo and Honda top customer trust survey:
https://www.autonews.com/retail/alfa...sv0DAb3lQ5XS2M

Granted, not specifically about “quality”, but this is from actual owners, not people who still think the world is flat and that Alfas are junk.


A probably more relevant “review”, done in a ballsy way from the middle of enemy territory. :-)
Alfa Romeo goes to Bimmerfest to poach customers. They were actually a sponsor!
https://carbuzz.com/news/alfa-romeo-...oach-customers

And UNKNOWN_370, the G Ti Sport is the exact one to get. Sweet spot between performance and price.

Looks like the Alfa falls short in the braking and is my car's equal in the lateral adhesion, 5-60 tests, while ousting it by a little over half a second to 60, which is why I said "slightly more athletic". Fits. Try to control yourself.


C/D TEST RESULTS:

Zero to 60 mph: 5.5 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.1 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 27.4 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.7 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.6 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 4.3 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.1 sec @ 100 mph
Top speed (governor limited, mfr's claim): 149 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 186 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad*: 0.79 g
*stability-control-inhibited

vs.


Zero to 60 mph: 6.2 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 16.7 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 28.4 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 6.7 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 3.5 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 4.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.8 sec @ 95 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 130 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 173 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad*: 0.79 g
*stability-control-inhibited


https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...d-test-review/

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

I test drove it as soon as it dropped and was amazed. I know all the luxury brands had to take notice!! This thing is EVO fast with luxury refinement and improved handling. I struggle with should I get a Q2 or Q4. RWD is a little more fun but the accuracy of the Q4 is truly amazing. One of the most fun AWD cars I've ever driven. I'm excited to finally get in an Alfa. I was just scared of maintaining a quadrifoglio. The Ti has a lot of grunt for a 2ltr.
As beautiful as the new Mazda vehicles are and as well sorted as they drive. They're not in the same universe as the Alfa. BMW doesn't even do well as a comparison. Let alone Mazda. I think the closest car to compare to the Alfa is the 911. Yes I said it. The 911 has more in common with the Alfa than the BMW. Though one is a sedan and one is a coupe. The way they accelerate and turn I feel a closer relation than with BMW or MAZDA for certain.

CX-5???

Please....

http://www.zeperfs.com/en/duel6776-6552.htm

Why is the CX5 still being discussed here??? I mean it's a nice ride, for what it is. But..... LOL

Oh so that’s why an Odessy dusted me the other day

Dude, you should know better. Slim chance of whipping an Odessy! And don't even get me started about the performance of the Oldsmobile Silhouette:

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...gqte78nsx9.jpg

First of all... You dragged in the AWD base. Not a TI sport which has a totally different suspension tune.

Secondly... You come on an enthusiast site and match 2 ON PAPER STATS IN ROADHOLDING and suddenly you think your shytmobile compares to an ALFA?

GEEZUS KRYST... Who is buying this BEE ESSS right now??? Your separation anxiety from a real car has you comparing stats on night and day cars. Just cuz my camaro makes numbers in line with a Ferrari in roadholding doesn't make it a Ferrari. And reviewers have compared my MRC to Ferrari and tho I think that's cool... I'd never play myself like that. So as we said in the arcade days... kick the quarter out your azz cuz you played yourself. Sorry to take a shyt on your opinion. But I just took a shyt on your opinion. Go troll the Honda site...

I'm done with this dude. I haven't banned anyone since Jungle Z. I think you're next.

:facepalm::ban::gtfo2:

:icon18:

Oh thats just a slightly less athletic Cayenne Turbo!

Initially, I was referring to the Stelvio, as its analagous to the turbo cx5. It is a bit more athletic, but an FCA product.

It shares the drivetrain of the car you're looking at. Hence the tie in.

However, the model you're looking at, the car, with the Ti package etc. Is in CLA45 AMG territory, pricewise. I guess it is a way fo be different, buft I donf see the appeal of tfhe sedan as its not really all that cost vs product impressive.

Other than having 60hp and over 100# of torque less, I guess that's similar?

The Alfa is NOT an FCA product. It is sold by FCA management because Alfa doesn't have traditional dealer networks. Alfa is a Ferrari Maserati Alfa product. It shares in common with the Ghibli while the Quadrifoglio shares engine parts with a Ferrari California.

Now that you're done misinforming the public and giving your valueless opinion based on zero experience driving or understanding Alfa...

The Alfa ti commands an entry price of $43,980 the CLA45 AMG has an entry price of $51,800. It's cheaper by $7,120.
It shares pricing with an Infiniti Q50. Still a better value than a Q50 S which starts at $49,000. A loaded Alfa would be a base of either of these cars and the Alfa is way more of a sport sedan than the competition.

An Alfa has an inline 4 that produces power like a BMW inline 6.
And it's inline 6 produces power like a 2012 GTR. All cars above its price point.

Just needed to drop some facts on here before your opinions are construed as having any knowledge base just cuz your grammar may make people believe you're actually saying something valid.

I thought you said the engine was a Tigershark?

The Stelvio looks like a product I'll entertain in the future, but I just don't trust them because of the parent companies you listed. It may not be FCA, but it's in the same boat in my book. Buy one and see how it works out?

No not a tiger shark. But they borrowed the tigershark design but went their own route with it. I said a derivative. The block only.

Sorry to break it to you, but Alfa and Maserati are, indeed, FCA (Fiat Chrysler Autombiles NV) brands. Maserati is somewhat independently accounted for even in the consolidated books of FCA.
Ferrari (now Ferrari NV) was under the umbrella but was essentially sold off to existing shareholders shortly after the merger that created FCA was officially ratified by shareholders.

But it's correct that Alfa punches above its weight in terms of power output. And the costs of ownership will be significantly lower than with its Merc competitor.

Im still very leery. I do not hold any of the parent companies in high esteem, and have not read much to convince me otherwise.

I'll definitely need another 5 years of track record before I bought one, given its lineage and how shitty all the 2017 reviews are.
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...r-service-bay/

Take the Honda 1.5 vehicles. We didnt know they had serious issues with that engine for over a year, and they sold in massive volumes. A few good reviews on low mileage less than a year old vehicles is far from swaying.

Im just done taking chances on a daily with poor reputation companies or unknowns. My Jeep experience taught me my lesson, lol!

Which brings me back to my first post in your thread. I chose a 250hp cx5 instead of a 280hp Stelvio because going faster by around half a secomd to 60, isnt worth the cost of a vehicle with its reliability track record. I imply the same for the sedan vs whatever alternative is out there. The Guilia just isnt fast or stickey enough in my book to justify it. I tried looking up lap times for it, and it seems to typically slot right around where the 350z does. Hardly worth the headache that I feel like the car would turn into, long term. Frankly, I have no idea why you find the car so appealing. It seems like a fad to me?

You have no concept of driving dynamics as a collective whole. Your logic is riddled with on paper stats and hp similarities... It's just unreal you can actually try to justify your rhetoric and rehash your garbage like somehow you restated your narrow inexperienced view and now suddenly... We see the light thru imports view.

A cayman and 370z get around a track in similar times. But the Porsche gives a driving experience that only Porsche can give....

As it stands right now... No car comes close to the actual driving experience of a Giulia. I've driven TBE turbo in the Mazda 6. It's VERY UNIMPRESSIVE. feels way too linear and not in the good TORQUEY way... Linear that power delivery is uneventful. There's very little drama coming from the engine. You can tell it's a commuter turbo. Mazda zapped the zoom out the turbo engine and it has no umph. Then you have the na 4 bangers with umph but no zoom.

Neither of these traits are a flaw in the giulia. I'm glad you learned your lesson. But you also prove you're not an enthusiast. You're a consumer who likes to drive. So your extended opinion is moot. And ummm you talked about your Mazda way too much against some serious machines. You're a FVCKIN joke. No one cares. And on this note im saying goodbye to you. I'm blocking you. You're a waste of air and useless info. For the last time. Go troll a Honda forum. You're a troll. You talk gahbige.

I understand plenty about driving dynamics. I also understand spending lots of money on a baaketcase. Also interesting you bring up the power delivery of Mazda 2.5t in the 6, as well as the 2.0 Guilia. Also for the record, I hated how the Mazda 6 2.5t vehicle performed as a whole. I had one as a loaner. Another thing to note is that if you dont run 91-93 octane in the Mazda, it chops your power delivery at 4K. Something that may have led to your impression for sure.



Yes, the Guilia has 50/50 weight distribution. Thats cool. My z06 did, too, and it was very nice compared to my front heavy 370. I can relate. I hated how my 370 drove. However, what I keep missing, is why you are looking at a sedan? This purchase seems to throw everytbing but driving dynanics out the window, and then there's "sedan". Why? I dunno, it just seems like you like the thing and are using any and all justification to defend that. That's cool. But I'm curious how holds up. Buy one and let us know.

I'll remember this fondly "you know nothing about driving dynamics!...no car comes close to the driving dynamics [of a 2.0 ti guilia]!"

That may be, but you won't find any articles like this about any vehicle Ill be buying after MY FCA experience.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/jalopni...1797069082/amp

But let me guess...2 years later its perfect...because a couple of magazines had an uneventful 20k miles in them. Cool. Buy it. I really hope you do.

Dudes... Can we please move on from Alfa v Hot Rod CX5. Nobody is changing anyone's opionion here. Time to fight another battle. This one's dead.

I hope he buys it. The Alfa is alright on paper, but I don't trust it. Would love tp follow his journey for 100-150k mi with it.

I'd rather chew tin foil and watch reruns of Sally Jessey Raphael.

Alfa was ballsy and sponsored bimmerfest so they can give out free test drives of the giulia... .

https://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/...fa-romeo-.html

I feel like BMW has steadily gone away from "drivers cars", and the Alfa may well steal that segment from them if they aren't careful. It was a good move.