Tesla unveils new sports car...
 

0 60 in 1.9 sec and over 600 miles in range. Sports cars are dying??

So if Tesla is unveiling a new sports car, why would you think sports cars are dying? :icon14:

Changing, sure. But until they pry the steering wheel out of my cold dead fingers, my Z will never die. Or until I am no longer able to source parts for it.

Rhetorical question. (I guess it's a bit early for such discussion :icon14:) I don't, however, from what I've read on this forum, many seem to think so.

It's group think. Sports cars are alive and well, just not at Nissan...

You felt the need to start the thread for a rhetorical question? :icon14: :icon17:

6spd nailed it. Nissan isn't too interested in sports cars any more it seems. But there are others who are and are doing well :driving:

Yes, one that you didn't understand.

Fyi, Nobody forced you to leave a comment.

:rolleyes:

I understood what you posted just fine. You made a statement and then posed a follow up question as though to elicit a completely contradictory response and then called it rhetorical. What I didn't understand is why you posted it. You didn't have to take it as an attack because it certainly wasn't intended as one.

Frankly, I'd love to drive a car that does 0-60 in 1.9 secs. I was hoping you'd provide more details on it. I'm too lazy to search :p **edit** I guess it's just the new roadster .. so not really a new model

I'm a :postwhore:. It's what I do :tiphat:

Sorry, i dont know how to add links, but a great article can be read on carscoops.com. stunning design in my opinion.

This one? Tesla Shocks Us With New 2020 Roadster, Does 0-60 In 1.9 Sec! There are definitely a lot of good photos :yum:

Btw, you can just copy and paste the URL into your post. The forum will automatically add the necessary tags to link it using information from the linked page.

I'm sorry but there just seems to be something missing with an electric car. I want to shift gears and feel the engine revving. Sure the Tesla is fast as **** but doesn't mean it's as fun to drive.

Takes 18hrs to charge. Just kidding but I'm sure with a 600mi range it's going to take along time to charge without rapid charge which destroys the battery.

https://www.gtplanet.net/elon-musk-u...esla-roadster/

The thing sounds amazing (well, it will be silent, but the performance, prototype/renderings, and even the price do).

In fact, it sounds too good to be true. And you all know what that usually means...

Announcing new cars when he can't even deliver the Model 3 ones people have bought. Sounds like some former turbo kit makers here.

It takes the focus off the failures, though. :tiphat:

Musk is a brilliant salesman. He must be, as he's managed to get every level of government and many investors to give him money for every venture he's launched, though he's really yet to make any profit. He makes lots of promises. He makes very few cars. The vehicles that he does produce are brilliant in many ways, but don't rank particularly high on reliability.

Designed by Randy Rodriguez.

I feel like a lot of Tesla owners are schmucks, and I've heard multiple accounts of how bad it is to work at the company (which ties into how releases get fudged). Not big on how simplified the model line is set, with just an array Model S trims only recently complimented by the 3 and X. And that naming scheme was stupid. The original Roadster got a pass for being a debut model, but stuff sounds mad uninspiring for an automotive product.

...but credit where its due. No one else is doing this. Honda/Toyota/Nissan/BMW and all them probably know how — but bottom line is that they clearly aren't. Maybe they're just working and watching the market more carefully, because it's true that Tesla could fall flat on it's face if the market dips, but that's not stopping them. Musk hasn't half-assed his ambitions and it's great that he's charging to try to make something happen.

I will want an electric supercar when it executes performance superiority, and I hope when the time comes, there's an actual selection apart from like one model.

I think you guys are all out to lunch. Tesla just announced a new semi truck that can recharge its batteries enough to travel 400 miles in 30 minutes.

I agree with Zingston, the new Roadster sounds amazing. Here's a NEW company debuting amazing projects soon to be released. They are definitely heading in the right direction.

How can you possibly say a car that can do 0 to 60 miles in 1.9 seconds sounds boring? I think the style's looking pretty good too.

What's it weigh?
The battery pack for Roadster is twice the S 100D, which is 1,200 lbs.
so, by the time you add motors and chassis, we might be talking GT-R weight.
Not what I'd think of in a roadster. So, much like the other models by Tesla, it might be a rolling iPad with one trick. It's a clever trick, and probably a clever car. But it isn't as amazing as ol' Elon would like to snow us into believing.

The timing of the announcement is no doubt an attempt to stabilize share prices which were falling in light of the Model 3 fiasco. Hmmm, changing the subject to divert attention from a train wreck. Where have I seen that strategy employed before recently?

Tesla doesn't need another low volume product. They also don't need a heavy truck. They need the Model 3 to be a resounding success. But being satisfied with that wouldn't be Musk's style. Never will be.

They don't need a heavy truck? Sounds like they're going to be cheaper to run than existing diesel semis, leave a smaller environmental footprint, and include new safety features that prevent cab jackknifing.

Sounds like there's a bit of bias towards "Musk's style" and company direction. Time will tell I suppose.

Notice how many other big automakers build heavy transports? So it must be a good fit, right?

Musk does not live in the real world. Real commercial trucks have to. Fine to use them for the "last mile" industry, but take one of those across the Rockies and ... oh, wait, it won't make the grades, so forget it. Haul freight across the midwest with it, except that transports only make money when they are rolling, and this one is going to be doing a lot of stopping.

I just don't see a path to profitability for the business. So far, he's proven me right. But he has managed to convince governments and investors otherwise. History will either record him as one of the greatest innovators of the early 21st century, or one of its best con artists. For me, the jury is still out.

Toyota owns about 30% of Tesla. Musk is one helll of a salesman. He has sold bullsh!t to our gov't and gotten loans for it. He doesn't have a good track record of delivering the goods when needed. The sports car to to draw your attention away from his other problems. He just laid off over 800 people at the car factory. He's got problems with his rockets. The problems with his other cars. He's hiding stuff from customers. Like the up dates he did to the cars that was close to the California fires. That few know about to extend their range.

The semi, I believe is not going to be a big hit. Long haul truckers get over 150,000 miles on them before they even start to think about major maintenance. Seen semi's for sell that had over 500,000 miles on them. And less then 6 years old. Don't think that Musk's semi will get close to that.

The sports car is like a concept car. Be lucky to see one on the street. The guy has a brain on him. IF he ever gets his sh!t together. Look out!

:rolleyes: This is the kind of $hit that hybrid and electric car makers would love you to believe. But look into the manufacturing and disposal of the batteries, which they don't take into account when they make a claim such as this, and you'll see just how horrific that industry actually is to the environment...

:rofl2:

Yeah..................he's a rich bastardd.

Elon Musk uses two shiny objects to distraction from Model 3 production hell


Opinion: Tesla dangles 2 shiny electric objects to distract from production reality
The new Roadster and Semi are undoubtedly cool. They're also just diversions

November 17, 2017

So yet another model they will take deposits on and never build. Add the big rig too. Elon is glad to take those deposits though. I really don’t know why Wall Street lets this sham keep going. No way is he going to make his production promises.

I few of us did get our turbo kits =) Anyone get a Model 3?

Wonder if Musk took lessons from GTM? :icon14:

Just yesterday I was ahead of a tesla, wife was checking out my car the entire time, so bored/rich/conspicuous consumers gravitate towards them. Personally if I had the money, it would go to a vehicle that keeps the Z's visceral driving fun, not some yawn mobile.

I now see more Teslas than 370's around here. They must be enjoying their checklist lifestyle! I love the Z, and it can haul goods just fine, you just have to be good at tetris :driving:

I had a guy behind me once in a Tesla, who tried to follow me on a twisty two lane road when I had my Nismo.....first turn I was not in very hot, to see what he wanted to do....second turn I was in deeper, he tried to keep up and I could see his front end push a bit but he got through, third turn I wicked it up, I looked back and as he apexed his front end pushed as his oversized and overweight golf cart under-steered and he almost hit the guardrail on the other side of the road. So yes, I sort of egged him on and gave him the false impression through two turns at least, that he could keep up. His wife probably cut him off for a few weeks after that.

That's the game I play with most idiots who try to tail gate me. :driving: :tup:

^^^
You two gentlemen need to stop picking on the newbs lol

It’s crazy how many people with big performance cars don’t understand entry/exit of a turn

Makes my 05 Civic look like a S2000 lol

And the funny thing is, the Tesla (Model S, anyway) is very clever at torque vectoring its way out of trouble in fast corners. I had one blow by me on the track at the entry to a fairly tight bend at far faster speeds than I was comfortable taking my 4C into (and I was on semi-slicks, he was less experienced than I on track and was riding street rubber, but had an instructor onboard). Despite making a dog's breakfast of the entry line, the car (bless it) got him out of trouble. I think the driver wet himself, though, as I was right on his tail by the exit and on the following straight when he should have launched himself out of my slight, I passed him easily! :icon18:

Bottom line, I guess you can't really beat the laws of physics. Even if you can cheat them occasionally!

The weight of the Tesla and it’s narrow tires, even torque vectoring can’t overcome the physics of that combined with the radius of the turn. Once that weight starts that direction the inertia is hard to overcome.