Here's a listing for several: https://www.pinterest.com/explore/unicorns/?lp=true

Yes, that was true in certain areas, however supply has been catching up with initial demand, and MSRP can be found at many dealers now. Also if your are a part of certain organizations, like USAA where fleet discounts are available with BMW, you'll get $2,500 off MSRP on the M2.

I'm picking up a M2 from Munich Germany in less then 3 weeks utilizing BMW's European Delivery program, where I'm getting 5% off of US MSRP. I did get to test drive the M2 awhile back and posted on here about it, comparing it to a M235i. The M2 felt like it had improved steering, definitely better suspension and is more engaging, almost Z like, when compared to the M235i. Don't get me wrong, the M235i is a worthy, fast car (but clinical IMO). It would make a good DD for someone who has a lot of highway driving plus can be fun in the twisties. However steering feel (while very precise), body roll and a feeling of isolation from the road, compared to the Z, made me not consider it as a replacement to the Z.

I'll be on the road for 9 days in Europe with the M2 and will be able to give a better review of it then.

Are you kidding me...you can buy a 3 year old Z for what about 25 to 30k. Already you are ahead 15k+. 996 is a 13+ year old car, that is 10years older with more problems. Plus you are comparing Japanese engineering versus German. Reliability of a German car would be in question even if only 3 years old...10 years old with allot of miles? Your talking about a money pit of problems. Everyone likes euro cars until they own one and recognize the cost of ownership associated with multiple breakdowns, parts and after market parts. Plus like I mentioned earlier typically it is impossible to find tech manuals for German cars. So you will be relying on mechanics instead of yourself...that is a major problem on its own....

So you can buy a 40k + old problem or buy a rock solid 2013 Z with virtually no problems for 15k less drop the turbos in and make upgrades and you will have a quality reliable build instead of some old heap...the upgrades you mentioned will be peanuts next to the problems that a German car will give you....

I love the German cars. But what scares me is that once the warranty is gone. If anything happens after that. Be prepared for a butt raping. :eek:

I'd run from any German car over 4 years old. Unless you are emotionally involved and prepared to pay well and not have it to drive from time to time. Overengineering is, well, overengineered.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/...ish/101204980/

Just like I said, the new world order is preventing the Z from coming out as an affordable sports car. They want us as passengers in drone vehicles by 2030 and are on a 12 year campaign to keep us from driving. Period. They don't want poor and middle class to drive around virtually undetected.

Sports cars will be for the rich. We need go start a car rebellion guys.!!!

The government is trying to control our joys.

ITS EQUILIBRIUM in real life!!

Your cell phone already does it....it knows where you are and at any time it can be queried by the carrier to find you. And you will never know it......

The 996 TT Metzer motor is derived from the LeMans winning race motor....its pretty bullet proof and so is the rest of the 996TT. You can join forums like Rennlist, Planet9, and get any German shop manual you want and they are not hard to work on either. Its pretty easy to drop the whole motor and tranny to get at anything you want, if it needs a major service. I agree that some Audi, BMW, and Porsche models have issues....but the 996TT, not really.

I find myself considering a sport Z or nismo as well. The only other cars on my radar are 981 Porsche cayman S (base is cool but need the extra power) 2014-2016 or Shelby GT350. It's hard to pony up the extra money for those cars when the Z is such a compelling choice.

If Nissan would just release some concept photos and specs for the next Z it might make my choice that much easier.

Rush is already on it.

https://www.motor1.com/news/73226/a-...-song-w-video/

Yeah but you don't have to carry a cell and you can scramble your GPS signal on a cell or car if you need to. But I'm sure with these new electronic cars you won't be able to scramble them steadily as current tech.

If you have a car with something like On-Star from GM. They have you. They can listen to you talk in your car through On-Star, know where you are at, track you down, shut the car off going the the highway, know how much you weight from the suspension settings. :eek:

Yeah, I get that, but not every car is equipped like that yet and I'd like the option not to buy one and you can still pull on star from a car. Pretty soon it will be impossible.

You don't need On-Star, 'they' have you pinned as soon as you bring your smartphone with you. It's BIG BROTHER watching & listening to you all of the time.

GPS jammers are very illegal, I sort of know about such things. Don't get caught with it and DHS can find them if deemed necessary.

As far as I am aware, it is illegal to have electronic surveillance on a private citizen without a warrant from a judge.

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Nixin hit it on the nose. Laws like the patriot created an UNCONSTITUTIONAL bylaw to allow surveillance but was counteracted with the Freedom act once the SC determined the patriot act violated our rights. In reality, all these red light cameras, security cameras and GPS based systems that have the capability of pin pointing us violates several parts of our bill of rights.

Any differences in the brakes on the Nismo?

I know there is re-tuned suspension but is there different hardware?

Man, I need to put on my Armadillo hat. Whewwww.

Better make it tin-foil.

Just the pads are S tune. There's an option for R tune.

So if I have this right benefits of the Nismo are:

Lighter bucket seats
Titanium Exhaust
Lighter forged wheels
Stiffer chasis (reinforcements)
Better brake pads, fluid, and hoses
Higher spring rate tuning

The 350Z Nismo got chassis reinforcements (seam welds). I don't believe any version of the 370Z Nismo got additional chassis reinforcements. IIRC, Nissan claimed the 370Z chassis' rigidity surpassed that of the 350Z Nismo, and they never went any further with that.

The 2015+ Nismo got different final drive ratios, with the most aggressive change being in the 7AT version. The 6MT still gets a bump from the regular sport version. I don't know what the ratios are and I'm too lazy to google them right now.

The Rays Wheels on the Nismo 370Zs are wider for both front and rear, but I don't know if they're lighter than the sport package rays. They're probably lighter than the cast 18" wheels on the base models though.

Suspension is definitely stiffer on the Nismo. I want to say sway bars are different as well, but I might be making that up.

Brakes - on a standard Nismo they're no different than a sport package, however, you can equip the optional "Nismo R Tune" pads and some fluid, but honestly, I'd save the extra cash for some Motul RBF600, Carbotech pads, and a set of SS lines.

The exhaust is not titanium on any version of the 370Z. You might be thinking of the GT-R Nismo there.

The Nismo doesn't have the 3 additional chassis braces anymore? It did for the pre-'15s.

Also, I'd be shocked if the new seats are that much lighter than the old ones.

You're right Chuck - they do. I glossed over that part.

So shorter gears ricer? I like the sound of that.

So not much of a difference from the sport Z yet there does seem to be a general consensus amongst people who review them that the driving experience is much sharper.

The extra weight on the Nismo is the body bracing. The added 18HP was put there solely to make up for the weight of the body bracing. They tried to give you the power equivalent of the lighter car while improving rigidity the extra 18HP was not put there to add performance, just equalize it..

I got less lazy today - pulled this from Car and Driver on the release of the 2015 Nismo.

Nissan has shortened the final-drive ratio for the manual version from 3.69:1 to 3.92:1.... At 3.69:1, the automatic’s final drive is also shorter than the standard 370Z automatic’s 3.36:1 rear end.

More shifting for the win lol.

Wonder what 6th is like on the highway though.

This is one of the main reasons I'm considering the Nismo aside from the body bracing.

I am a fan of the 09-14 model because it body style and suspension even though I have upgraded pretty much everything on it. I had considered changing the front bumper to the 15 model style but I'm concerned that it would provide as much air flow through the engine compartment. If you are considering a turbo setup I think an 09-14 is the way to go so you can spend your money on turbo kit and supporting mods. Also, I have actually considered swapping my final drive to the taller gears that come with the auto because with twins 1st and second gear are pretty worthless even on the track.

I have always been a fan of silver because it looks good even when it dirty and minor scratches and dings are invisible to most. I can take or leave the red accents on the new models and prefer black accents on the exterior and the red with interior.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/2/1503/2...6e2347e8_b.jpg

I regularly catch people taking pictures and video of the car!