While bimmerphiles are trying to hang on to a lost era!
 

There's a car better than the 3 series in every way... It's called the JAGUAR XE SERIES.
The saloon world is NOW run by 2 cars right now... The new Jaguar and the Mercedes C450AMG sport. I'm a fan of our new luxury automotive entries. Not only have Jaguar and BMW brought new benchmarks into the arena. They've embraced cutting edge design. Not saying the Bimmer is ugly by any means, but it does carry the same overall look with newer enhanced character lines...
With Alfa's Giulia coming. BMW may wa t to...
Find better exhaust tuning. Rethink hydraulic steering or dumb down the current electronic steering to improve felt feedback.

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I like the XE. Not a fan of MB's new sedan style, though.

What I love about the BMWs is they look, to me, classic and understated. From the interior to the exterior, they aren't as out there as some of the new stuff.

The Jag that excites me most, though, is that new SUV. :icon17:

I think MB brought it, UK BROKE IT and Alfa murdered em... I think bimmer is losing it as a whole. I understand they're trying to be more luxury... Their marketing scheme is one huge oxymoron

I dunno, I think they're going to be fine. :icon17:

I just can't get behind Mercedes' new sedan styling. I like the AMG GTS btu the sedans look a little ridiculous to me with the HUGE mouths on the front.

The Jags look nice and sleek, especially the F Pace, which is probably the prettiest SUV I've ever seen.

BMW just looks like classic BMW to me, which I appreciate.

I think that's something people need to understand... BMW is never going to be edgy. They are very conservative.

They definitely ****** up with their EPAS tuning, though they have been improving it each year it seems. I recently drove a new X3 and it felt more like "old BMW" than my 3 does.

And for proper disclosure, while I love Mercedes F1 and Lewis Hamilton, I have a bit of a bias against Mercedes road cars after a horrible CLK500 ownership experience. Loved the car... when it worked. :icon17:

Different era... Bimmer isn't edgy but they lost the formula that made them great after the e46. I had the chance to drive the e46 and e92 back to back.... Yeah... Bimmer lost a lot in translation

I don't agree with that at all. I like the E92/E90 a lot. They are small, tight, and offer great feedback to the driver. They are different from the E46, sure, but they still drive "like a BMW."

The F series cars picked up more luxury and lost some of that traditional "BMW feel," which I hope comes back (I see promise in certain models).

That's the fun in it, though. You could say the same thing about the E46 vs the E30. There's tons of debate within BMW circles as to which is the "greatest" generation. Everyone has a different answer.

I do like that Mercedes has stepped up their game in the sport/handling department. They were lacking in that area for a long time but some of their recent offerings are great performers, whether I'm attracted to them or not.

Jaguar is similar... they are in the middle of reinventing themselves to the point where they are starting to be relevant again. The XE and F Pace are going to be big for them, I believe. The Tata group has definitely taken them in the right direction.

I still think the BMWs drive better than the Mercs even though the Mercs may actually perform a little better. They just don't have the same feel IMO. Havent driven the Jag so I cant say anything about that.

:iagree: I thoroughly enjoy driving my F30, even if the steering doesn't offer the same feedback as the E series.

There is no doubt that the rest of the world has caught up and offer great products, but I still like me some BMWs.

The e92 gives a well dampened ride, but the suspension tuning is way sportier on the e46... Feels like a BMW... I can agree with that... But, I can't agree that it offers the same road feel. Not in the least. It feels connected to the road, yes. But the e46 makes better sounds, sits a little lower, feels a little more nimble... I prefer it. The only advantage the e92 has is a noticeable power bump and an updated interior.

The Benz C400... Wow... Electronic steering that gives you feedback. And it's not artificial. However slightly muted. The Benz is well weighted. It's more ergonomically correct with seat adjusters on the door. The sounds are slightly better on the Benz. The 450AMG sport is supposed to have killer exhaust tuning. I think the new Benz compared to the e92 is leagues better. I gotta try the 4 series but with all I've heard. It seems the only fans of its performance and tuning are people who swear by bimmer. Me as an enthusiast... I'm always looking for more... The Benz won me over... The jag will be here soon but all reviews are crazy... The Giulia... A Ferrari tuned, turbo 6... Need I say more???

Bimmer... Hasn't impressed me over the last 9 years. Sorry... And it seems there are a lot of excuses for it's shortcomings. The price is high for what it lacks... Lackluster steering and handling gaps on track in comparison to the ATS-V and c63amg.

Like I said before. Bimmer isn't a bad car. Just highly overrated and I think other cars are eclipsing. Let the M4 drop in price about $10,000 and mayyyybe... I'd see it as a tougher competitor Buying brand new... Not where I'd be looking to drop $82,000.

When Giulia comes... Watch out.

Jag? They can stay in the kitty litter.

http://www.alfaromeo.com/models/giulia

I totally keep forgetting u own a bimmer. I'm still stuck in your 5.0 days... Lol :rofl2:

The ALFA is gonna cause a murder scene... No doubt

:leghump: Damn! That 4C sure is s-e-x-y!

The Alfa is so wild, I love it.

The Giulia... I predict will be the new performance benchmark in the saloon world.

Ferrari tuned... I'm hyped

I wonder what it will cost with options. I can't imagine there will be much in the way of discounts to be had like you can get with the other luxury performance cars.

They're talking about $90k for the tricked model and about $60k for the low end model. Which should have about 400HP.

Looks like the Giulia will make a 328 competitor as well starting with 276 HP.
The go fast model will start at $70k. I would definitely give this car a strong consideration.

The Giulia is launching in its range-topping Quadrifoglio trim, which Alfa Romeo said will have a starting price of “around $70,000.” Remember, this is the version that competes with the BMW M3, Cadillac ATS-V and Mercedes-AMG C63, and with 505 horsepower on tap the Alfa is actually the most powerful and likely the fastest.

The base model, at least here in the United States, will come with 276 hp. This one will compete with the BMW 328i and Mercedes C300. Rear-wheel drive will be standard on all models but an advanced all-wheel-drive system with torque vectoring will be available. Other markets should have a diesel option and with any luck we’ll see it here.

If I had the coin, saloon car and power? Supercharged XJ. Doctor friend has one, not quite a Benze 600, but for half the price it's an insane car. Unreal comfort and POWA!!!

The XJ is so plush. Leather wrapped everything.

The great thing about Jaguar is that the depreciation on them is probably the worst in the luxury car world, so you can get a ~3 year old, off-lease, CPO Jaguar for half of the original MSRP or better.