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BlackZeda 07-10-2015 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by JC-Nismo (Post 3253016)
LMFAO, you got me on that one. No I've never driven one, aesthetics first man, gotta look good before anything else :)
I have to agree; since I am not blessed/cursed with a family I personally don't need to make compromises when it comes to a performance vehicle. I want mine to look awesome, handle well, be RWD and be quick. The only other reasonable vehicle that would fit that bill would be a Corvette or a Porsche. Honestly the Z looks as good as either, and around here they are as scarce as hen's teeth. Plus I just paid my Z off :happydance:

As for the OP and his situation, the STI sounds like a perfect choice.

Chuck33079 07-10-2015 01:21 PM
I still miss my STi. I should have kept it. Damn near 400 ft/lbs at the wheels at 3500rpm, and AWD grip. I'd have detuned it a bit and kept it for my daily driver had I known the idiot I sold it to would blow it up in 3 weeks. 75k miles, only one CEL ever and it was because I didn't reconnect a sensor after a long night of installing parts. The next owner filled it up with a tank of 91 in Bumfuck, North Dakota in the winter on a map for 93+meth tuned in Houston less than 2000 miles after he bought it and went out to show his friend how fast his new car was. I'm sure it hauled ***. Once.

If you buy a Subaru, you have to make your peace with two things- the exterior and the rattles. Oh God, the rattles. These cars perform great, but you never forget you're in a cheap car with an expensive drivetrain and an interior where you can still kinda see "Fisher Price" stamped on some of the plastics.

jshare1 07-10-2015 01:23 PM
Q50s ?

RicerX 07-10-2015 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 3253043)
I still miss my STi. I should have kept it. Damn near 400 ft/lbs at the wheels at 3500rpm, and AWD grip. I'd have detuned it a bit and kept it for my daily driver had I known the idiot I sold it to would blow it up in 3 weeks. 75k miles, only one CEL ever and it was because I didn't reconnect a sensor after a long night of installing parts. The next owner filled it up with a tank of 91 in Bumfuck, North Dakota in the winter on a map for 93+meth tuned in Houston less than 2000 miles after he bought it and went out to show his friend how fast his new car was. I'm sure it hauled ***. Once.

If you buy a Subaru, you have to make your peace with two things- the exterior and the rattles. Oh God, the rattles. These cars perform great, but you never forget you're in a cheap car with an expensive drivetrain and an interior where you can still kinda see "Fisher Price" stamped on some of the plastics.
Yeah - I am doing my research on the car very heavily at the moment. I have went for rides in some older ones to see how they do with age. Exactly what you mentioned with rattles and exactly what I expected. Doesn't bother me a whole lot really. My Z has already developed a couple rattles itself but overall I'm good with it all.

It sounds like I would do a Cobb Stage1+ right out of the box with it to stay on the safe side. Or just ride out the warranty, or buy an extended warranty, but I'm not a fan of those, and it's very unlikely it will stay stock under my ownership. I would do the Cobb Stage 1+ as a Band-Aid and get a pro-tune very shortly thereafter.

Chuck33079 07-10-2015 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by RicerX (Post 3253051)
It sounds like I would do a Cobb Stage1+ right out of the box with it to stay on the safe side.
This. I'd keep it stock for the first few hundred miles and stay our of boost, and then once I was convinced it wasn't a lemon flash it to a map that doesn't grenade the motor.

Also, sway bars. Have them waiting when you bring the car home.

RicerX 07-10-2015 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jshare1 (Post 3253045)
Q50s ?
Your timing with this post is impeccable - you been following me around today or something? :icon17:

I'm going to Infiniti this afternoon to check one out. It's highly likely that, because of my discount, a bit of negative equity in the Z, and the fact that a house purchase will need to happen in the next year or so, that a Q50S lease would be the perfect stop-gap provided I actually like the car.

We shall see how the 7AT is in it. If it works out, then the one I would be getting is Malbec Black with stone interior and the performance wheel package (MY13+ 370Z Rays).

http://www.iveho.com/wp-content/uplo...i-Q50-side.jpg

Super sharp looking car - the complete other side of the more utilitarian STI. About $46k though. I'm curious to see how I feel about it compared to the STI as far as driving dynamics. (I'm probably the strangest dude ever in that I'm cross-shopping those two cars).

The Q50 would be the only car I'd be prepared to make a concession for with respect to my manual transmission requirement, and that's mainly because I'm a fan of its powertrain and the fact that I would have to change nothing about the fluids and filters I buy and use. It would be very nice.

JARblue 07-10-2015 01:44 PM
I am very interested in what you think of the handling, or more specifically, the steering :tiphat:

I drove my buddy's Q50S Hybrid and just felt disconnected. I don't think the extra hybrid weight was a factor, but maybe? His was an older model (first year I think). Overall, I cannot deny that it is a very nice vehicle (nothing like the Z).

RicerX 07-10-2015 01:48 PM
Do you know if it had the deluxe touring package? That is the one that has steer-by-wire. The S-trim without the DTP is an electronically assisted hydraulic rack and should feel different.

Sadly, the one I'm testing today will have that **** in there. If I like it enough, I will still buy without. I do not like the idea of it and I have heard it does weird crap in cold weather.

jshare1 07-10-2015 01:51 PM
I sadly have no input, currently overseas and once my Z is paid off may look into the Q50, been watching a lot of reviews lately

SurfDog 07-10-2015 02:03 PM
Nissan is coming out with the Idx in 2016. I love the 510, maybe give it a look? it is a BRZ / FRS competitor

Chuck33079 07-10-2015 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by SurfDog (Post 3253089)
Nissan is coming out with the Idx in 2016. I love the 510, maybe give it a look? it is a BRZ / FRS competitor
I thought that was confirmed dead a long time ago?

TerribleONE 07-10-2015 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by SurfDog (Post 3253089)
Nissan is coming out with the Idx in 2016. I love the 510, maybe give it a look? it is a BRZ / FRS competitor
I thought the IDX got scrapped?

TerribleONE 07-10-2015 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 3253093)
I thought that was confirmed dead a long time ago?
Beat me to it

RicerX 07-10-2015 02:09 PM
It is officially dead, sadly.

However, it would be cool if they brought the Pulsar over as a Sentra hatch and made the Nismo version to toss it up there with the Focus ST, GTI, upcoming Civic Type R, Golf R, STI, and all the other damn hot hatches that are making my purchase decision harder the longer I wait.

That Focus RS looks like an absolute beast, and even has the same seats the 2015 Nismo Z has.

JARblue 07-10-2015 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by RicerX (Post 3253064)
Do you know if it had the deluxe touring package? That is the one that has steer-by-wire. The S-trim without the DTP is an electronically assisted hydraulic rack and should feel different.

Sadly, the one I'm testing today will have that **** in there. If I like it enough, I will still buy without. I do not like the idea of it and I have heard it does weird crap in cold weather.
I'm sure it did. IIRC it was every option possible. Some stupid price, too, at the time - I think it was near $60K, though he was leasing it. I guess I didn't even realize they had a package without the steer-by-wire. Now I want to go test drive one :driving:

jshare1 07-10-2015 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3253106)
I'm sure it did. IIRC it was every option possible. Some stupid price, too, at the time - I think it was near $60K, though he was leasing it. I guess I didn't even realize they had a package without the steer-by-wire. Now I want to go test drive one :driving:
I watched a youtube review with the full speced out version, sport model and it was impressive. I was impressed with the 360view display, awesome how it splices it together

BlackZeda 07-10-2015 02:42 PM
What about the Acura TLX...those are sharp too!

kenchan 07-10-2015 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackZeda (Post 3253144)
What about the Acura TLX...those are sharp too!
isnt that a dressed up civic?

id rather do the accord sport with 6MT if getting such FWD sedan...

kenchan 07-10-2015 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3253060)
I am very interested in what you think of the handling, or more specifically, the steering :tiphat:

I drove my buddy's Q50S Hybrid and just felt disconnected. I don't think the extra hybrid weight was a factor, but maybe? His was an older model (first year I think). Overall, I cannot deny that it is a very nice vehicle (nothing like the Z).
my buddy has a Q50S. he seems to like it, but he's not much of a car person, cant' drive MT even.
i still think the IS350 F-sport is a better looking car at that price range.

SurfDog 07-11-2015 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 3253093)
I thought that was confirmed dead a long time ago?
Damn! I wanted one for my teenager. Stupid Nissan.

UNKNOWN_370 07-11-2015 11:52 AM
Congrats....


Bu buh wait!!!! You don't a Maxima 4DSC with faux-shift?
What's wrong with you? :rofl2:

TN.Z 07-11-2015 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 3253269)
isnt that a dressed up civic?

id rather do the accord sport with 6MT if getting such FWD sedan...

The ILX is the dressed up civic, the TLX is the new TL. I think it's on the Accord platform, and it is available with AWD, but it isn't available with a manual that I know of.

RicerX 07-13-2015 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by TN.Z (Post 3254055)
The ILX is the dressed up civic, the TLX is the new TL. I think it's on the Accord platform, and it is available with AWD, but it isn't available with a manual that I know of.
It does, however, feature an 8 speed dual clutch transmission. I find that fairly impressive. For some reason, I'm just not interested in the rest of the car.

TN.Z 07-13-2015 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by RicerX (Post 3255130)
It does, however, feature an 8 speed dual clutch transmission. I find that fairly impressive. For some reason, I'm just not interested in the rest of the car.

Yeah I agree with you, that transmission is impressive. I really love the headlights but that's about where my love for the aesthetics ends.

I used to love Honda but I feel they are moving the wrong direction. I just don't see any passion in their cars anymore.

RicerX 07-13-2015 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3253106)
I'm sure it did. IIRC it was every option possible. Some stupid price, too, at the time - I think it was near $60K, though he was leasing it. I guess I didn't even realize they had a package without the steer-by-wire. Now I want to go test drive one :driving:
So after my test drive with the steer-by-wire (which is the Deluxe Touring Package that features that, btw), I found the system to not be as bad as people say. You can even tune the steering feel and response via the car's computer, which is pretty wild stuff. The strangest thing about it is that what people describe as "numb" is the last of bump/road/pothole feedback through the steering wheel as it's not physically connected with the wheels in any way. So you'll go over bumps, feel it in your seat and not your hands (that's what she said), and it's definitely culture shock coming from a car as raw as the Z.

I really, really, really like the Q50S. Hilariously enough, I'm starting to understand the cult 7AT guys on this forum - the transmission is pretty legit.

Compared to the Lexus IS350 F Sport (which I also drove), the Q50 stomps it with power. I was surprised that what looked like a negligible power difference on paper turned into a monstrous difference in reality. I think part of that is due to the Lexus's transmission - I'm pretty sure it waters down what is already a less powerful engine.

I will say this - the Lexus's cockpit is by far the sportiest and coolest of any sedan I've ever sat in. You sit IN the Lexus as opposed to ON it (which is the general feeling I expected going to a sedan from my Z in general). It is by far the sportiest feeling car with respect to seating position and all of the controls in the car. The steering wheel is tiny in a great way, and every piece of it screams "SPORTS SEDAN". I drove it before the Q50, and I have to say - before I felt the powertrain difference I was pretty sure that I was going to buy a Lexus.

The Q50 has a great seating position itself (not as nice as the Lexus, but sporty enough in the S trim), but the powertrain is just so much better. Toyota gonna Toyota, and Nissan gonna Nissan.

The Lexus does have some wussy little wheels too, though. 225 40 18 in the front IIRC, and 245 in the rear (or 255?). However, the 18" doesn't look bad on the car, and it's a decent configuration for the car itself, but could stand to be upgraded.

TN.Z 07-13-2015 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by RicerX (Post 3255159)
So after my test drive with the steer-by-wire (which is the Deluxe Touring Package that features that, btw), I found the system to not be as bad as people say. You can even tune the steering feel and response via the car's computer, which is pretty wild stuff. The strangest thing about it is that what people describe as "numb" is the last of bump/road/pothole feedback through the steering wheel as it's not physically connected with the wheels in any way. So you'll go over bumps, feel it in your seat and not your hands (that's what she said), and it's definitely culture shock coming from a car as raw as the Z.



I really, really, really like the Q50S. Hilariously enough, I'm starting to understand the cult 7AT guys on this forum - the transmission is pretty legit.



Compared to the Lexus IS350 F Sport (which I also drove), the Q50 stomps it with power. I was surprised that what looked like a negligible power difference on paper turned into a monstrous difference in reality. I think part of that is due to the Lexus's transmission - I'm pretty sure it waters down what is already a less powerful engine.



I will say this - the Lexus's cockpit is by far the sportiest and coolest of any sedan I've ever sat in. You sit IN the Lexus as opposed to ON it (which is the general feeling I expected going to a sedan from my Z in general). It is by far the sportiest feeling car with respect to seating position and all of the controls in the car. The steering wheel is tiny in a great way, and every piece of it screams "SPORTS SEDAN". I drove it before the Q50, and I have to say - before I felt the powertrain difference I was pretty sure that I was going to buy a Lexus.



The Q50 has a great seating position itself (not as nice as the Lexus, but sporty enough in the S trim), but the powertrain is just so much better. Toyota gonna Toyota, and Nissan gonna Nissan.



The Lexus does have some wussy little wheels too, though. 225 40 18 in the front IIRC, and 245 in the rear (or 255?). However, the 18" doesn't look bad on the car, and it's a decent configuration for the car itself, but could stand to be upgraded.

Question: did you by chance turn the traction control features off on the Lexus? My friend bought one pretty recently and I agree the interior is spectacular, but he said that he thought it was weak and was pretty set on buying a m235i until he turned off one of the traction control settings on the Lexus, he said it really made the car come alive.

All this said I also love the Q50s from my driving experiences it would be the choice I would make if I move to a sedan.

JARblue 07-13-2015 09:15 AM
I think you nailed it with respect to the "numb" feeling I encountered in the Q50S Hybrid I drove. No feedback in the steering when the wheels hit something uneven was just weird to me and especially noticeable in comparison to the Z.

b15 07-13-2015 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by RicerX (Post 3255159)
So after my test drive with the steer-by-wire (which is the Deluxe Touring Package that features that, btw), I found the system to not be as bad as people say. You can even tune the steering feel and response via the car's computer, which is pretty wild stuff. The strangest thing about it is that what people describe as "numb" is the last of bump/road/pothole feedback through the steering wheel as it's not physically connected with the wheels in any way. So you'll go over bumps, feel it in your seat and not your hands (that's what she said), and it's definitely culture shock coming from a car as raw as the Z.

I really, really, really like the Q50S. Hilariously enough, I'm starting to understand the cult 7AT guys on this forum - the transmission is pretty legit.

Compared to the Lexus IS350 F Sport (which I also drove), the Q50 stomps it with power. I was surprised that what looked like a negligible power difference on paper turned into a monstrous difference in reality. I think part of that is due to the Lexus's transmission - I'm pretty sure it waters down what is already a less powerful engine.

I will say this - the Lexus's cockpit is by far the sportiest and coolest of any sedan I've ever sat in. You sit IN the Lexus as opposed to ON it (which is the general feeling I expected going to a sedan from my Z in general). It is by far the sportiest feeling car with respect to seating position and all of the controls in the car. The steering wheel is tiny in a great way, and every piece of it screams "SPORTS SEDAN". I drove it before the Q50, and I have to say - before I felt the powertrain difference I was pretty sure that I was going to buy a Lexus.

The Q50 has a great seating position itself (not as nice as the Lexus, but sporty enough in the S trim), but the powertrain is just so much better. Toyota gonna Toyota, and Nissan gonna Nissan.

The Lexus does have some wussy little wheels too, though. 225 40 18 in the front IIRC, and 245 in the rear (or 255?). However, the 18" doesn't look bad on the car, and it's a decent configuration for the car itself, but could stand to be upgraded.
Nice comparison. I'm still not sold on the new exterior styling of the IS, but I love the Q50s exterior. Interior goes to the IS.

Have you crossed off the STI from the list? Personally, I wouldn't even consider after those two, but if you're still after performance over luxury, it'll win there.

RicerX 07-13-2015 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TN.Z (Post 3255182)
Question: did you by chance turn the traction control features off on the Lexus? My friend bought one pretty recently and I agree the interior is spectacular, but he said that he thought it was weak and was pretty set on buying a m235i until he turned off one of the traction control settings on the Lexus, he said it really made the car come alive.

All this said I also love the Q50s from my driving experiences it would be the choice I would make if I move to a sedan.
I did not - dealer was a real stick in the mud and made the entire experience awkward, so about halfway through the test drive, I was trying to ignore he was even in the car.

If the experience is anything like VDC OFF in the Z, that might bump the car above the Q50. However, I think the Q is still my first choice after all this.

RicerX 07-13-2015 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by b15 (Post 3255347)
Nice comparison. I'm still not sold on the new exterior styling of the IS, but I love the Q50s exterior. Interior goes to the IS.

Have you crossed off the STI from the list? Personally, I wouldn't even consider after those two, but if you're still after performance over luxury, it'll win there.
I haven't totally crossed it off the list, but damn if it isn't a lot further down the list than it was last week.

I didn't realize how much I would like the extra creature comforts the Q50 and Lexus offer. I fear I'm finally getting adult. :rofl2:

jshare1 07-13-2015 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by RicerX (Post 3255159)
So after my test drive with the steer-by-wire (which is the Deluxe Touring Package that features that, btw), I found the system to not be as bad as people say. You can even tune the steering feel and response via the car's computer, which is pretty wild stuff. The strangest thing about it is that what people describe as "numb" is the last of bump/road/pothole feedback through the steering wheel as it's not physically connected with the wheels in any way. So you'll go over bumps, feel it in your seat and not your hands (that's what she said), and it's definitely culture shock coming from a car as raw as the Z.

I really, really, really like the Q50S. Hilariously enough, I'm starting to understand the cult 7AT guys on this forum - the transmission is pretty legit.

Compared to the Lexus IS350 F Sport (which I also drove), the Q50 stomps it with power. I was surprised that what looked like a negligible power difference on paper turned into a monstrous difference in reality. I think part of that is due to the Lexus's transmission - I'm pretty sure it waters down what is already a less powerful engine.

I will say this - the Lexus's cockpit is by far the sportiest and coolest of any sedan I've ever sat in. You sit IN the Lexus as opposed to ON it (which is the general feeling I expected going to a sedan from my Z in general). It is by far the sportiest feeling car with respect to seating position and all of the controls in the car. The steering wheel is tiny in a great way, and every piece of it screams "SPORTS SEDAN". I drove it before the Q50, and I have to say - before I felt the powertrain difference I was pretty sure that I was going to buy a Lexus.

The Q50 has a great seating position itself (not as nice as the Lexus, but sporty enough in the S trim), but the powertrain is just so much better. Toyota gonna Toyota, and Nissan gonna Nissan.

The Lexus does have some wussy little wheels too, though. 225 40 18 in the front IIRC, and 245 in the rear (or 255?). However, the 18" doesn't look bad on the car, and it's a decent configuration for the car itself, but could stand to be upgraded.
Sounds like I made a good suggestion ;) or it was coincidental, either way.

b15 07-13-2015 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by RicerX (Post 3255440)
I haven't totally crossed it off the list, but damn if it isn't a lot further down the list than it was last week.

I didn't realize how much I would like the extra creature comforts the Q50 and Lexus offer. I fear I'm finally getting adult. :rofl2:
:tup:

Nothing wrong with that! When the time is right, get another toy, but keep the comfy 'family' car

BrandonT 07-20-2015 10:05 AM
What about Audi S3 or A4? I love my BMW M235xi but that is getting up there in price.

kenchan 07-20-2015 10:11 AM
A4's are euro-camry's no?

BrandonT 07-21-2015 02:42 PM
ok, S4

RicerX 08-03-2015 10:36 AM
The S4 is a nice car, but I have found that its performance is marginally better than the others I'm looking at for the extra money it costs to get into one.

That, and I'm not the biggest fan of German "reliability". I have experienced enough of that and I'd rather stick with a Japanese vehicle.

RicerX 08-25-2015 10:29 AM
Well... it is done. 2015 Infiniti Q50S.

Pics to come.

kenchan 08-25-2015 11:07 AM
cool. my friend has the Q50S. he seems to like it a lot.

BlackZeda 08-25-2015 11:45 AM
It is a really good looking car :tup:

b15 08-25-2015 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by RicerX (Post 3293329)
Well... it is done. 2015 Infiniti Q50S.

Pics to come.
Nice choice. The sports have the new electronic steering concept, right? How are you liking it?


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