Concerns Over New Product
 

Is anybody concerned about buying the new Z when it rolls out here in a few months? Typically I have always thought you should wait for the 2nd model year so they can work out the kinks/bugs/issues with a new car before buying.

Anybody else feel this way? I did have a mechanic tell me that this type of thinking is now archaic, that things are so advanced and been around for so long nowadays that it's nothing to worry about.

r/Mike

Your mechanic should prolly do a little more research. Look what happened with the Focus RS, of all things, they placed the wrong headgasket on that motor for example. That's just one example, and trust me when I say as an ex owner of one, it was a pain in the a$$ to get Ford to take it seriously and actually rectify the situation.
I will never buy the first generation of anything anymore as a result.

Generally, I would agree that first gen iterations are not the wisest purchase. However, the new Z is far from a first iteration. The motor, drivetrain, and chassis have all been around for years. I would be more concerned about the CSC issue than overall reliability.

That makes sense. And I would follow this imo. But since the "New" Z, is more of carry over from other another car and the previous gen, there shouldn't be a lot of kinks etc.

I'll be in my bunk!

CSC?

I'll be in my bunk!

The manual 370Z has a problem with the CSC ( concentric slave cylinder )
these need to be replaced with an aftermarket unit to be reliable.

I would hope that Nissan addressed this problem in the new model, only time will tell.

The CSC is external now and I can't remember but I think they said it was made from a carbon composite material or something. Not exactly sure but it has definitely been addressed this much they confirmed.

I believe you maybe referring to a post by Z1Motorsports (below). Carbon composite would be the drive shaft.

https://www.newnissanz.com/threads/c...ernal-now.622/

Regarding original question, I typically don’t buy the 1st year a model comes out. However, I wouldn’t be too concerned about this Z, as almost all of it’s major parts have been proven. A good, long, hard driven test drive that really impresses, would be necessary for me to consider switching from my M2 though.

I'll be waiting at least a year for the new Z.

wait for the first 10k units to roll out.

Nissan still didn't get the 370z built right after 13 years if that tells ya anything. Look at their common failures. Other than galley gaskets, what changed?

Thats terrible

I'll be in my bunk!

Ya bad news but I'm a realist. :tiphat:

I agree, there are always issues with the first year car. I also agree it is always cool to own the first year of a model. I bought a RX-8 first year out, it was the coolest ever, I was always showing it to people and opening it up, I got several "cool car" comments whenever I got out of it. It had several recalls, needed an AC upgrade, and the tail lights filled with water in the rain. That was an easy fix, but once at the dealer for a recall issue I saw 40 new RX-8s with tail lights full of water. The new Supra had a 20 HP boost the second year out. This Z car will be one of the only sports cars with a six speed and under 3400 lbs so it may be hard to wait. :)

I’m not at all worried about the first production with the “new” Z…. When the 370Z was first lunched, I bought a brand new 09 base and 09 sport and had no issues whatsoever for the 2 years I kept it. If something were to go wrong with the 2023, that’s what warranties and GAP ins is for IMO.

VR30 motor has existed for ages now.
Chassis and suspension are carried over from Z34.
Center stack is just carried over setup from other Nissan’s and Infiniti’s.
Same Akebono calipers.
Now external CSC!!!!!
Can’t comment on the 9 speed auto though.


Nothing ground breaking, nothing new here. If anything, you can consider it a mechanically improved version of Z34. In this case, I don’t have reservation to be an early bird.

:iagree:

The CSC issue has been around since the 350Z days (starting with the HR model I believe) and got carried over to the Z34’s.

I thought the CSC was still internal. Can someone confirm the CSC is external from the factory?

https://capture.dropbox.com/kKuTgzxNI6C2F72q?raw=1

https://youtu.be/ekEM3VyaDow?t=373

I'm just coming out of hibernation and getting up to speed.

When did Nissan make the CSC external? And is this just for the new Z (post 370Z models)?

And Nissan finally sees the PITA/nonsense of an internal CSC, but prob still uses the same plastic junk as the 350Z/370Z models.

no such thing as an "external csc". doesn't make any sense, the c stands for concentric.

This picture is the 2023 Nissan Z. (that's what you asked about) The CSC has been removed and they have used an external slave cylinder and fork.

No idea what the external slave cylinder is made of, but it's easy to replace if it breaks.
All 370z have a CSC, replacing it usually leads to a second failure. Most people purchase a CMAK kit to move to an external slave cylinder, which works the same way the 2023 Z system works.

1. Read the quote from another member. I know what the "C" stands for. I was asking for confirmation on what another member stated about the CSC being external.

2. My original question/request was if someone could confirm the CSC was external from factory, which you posted a picture from what I thought was stock, and hence my follow up questions on if this is for real on Nissan relocating the CSC to the outside of the tranny housing vs the inside and if so, when this started happening.

3. I know the 350/370Z's have a CSC that is prone to failure (going through this right now unfortunately) and I know which kit most recommend between Z1 and ZSpeed.

4. If Nissan has not addressed the CSC issue/materials it's made from, then most likely is the same sh!t from the 350Z's.

I hope you can understand why anyone would think you don't know what you're talking about.

4. The new cylinder shares nothing in common with the parts on the 350z or 370z. Nissan changed it because they were aware of the issue finally. I'm sure it will work fine. And if it fails, like all parts eventually do, it's a 5 min replacement.

Lol ok internet expert, got it. Once again, read what another member posted. For your convenience, I quoted said member again above. I hope you can understand why I would ask the questions I previously did.

And again, I don't know too much about the new Z, which is why, again, I asked my questions.

All 370Z have the internal slave cylinder. The new Z has the external slave cylinder. Your internal is failing. Get the SpeedZ CMAK kit. The Z1 kit has issues.

He said, as all of the new Z cars are put on hold/no sell warnings, to recall a fault in the auto box that causes roll-aways... :rofl2:

On hold/no sell..am I misunderstanding or are you saying they can't sell them yet?