[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

takemorepills · 10-20-2020, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by viiv

In answered that question in this thread:

Test drove a 2020 Q60, I prefer the sound of the VQ37

It sounds like a V6 Camry.

Camrys don't sound so bad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edmJHtJtVa8

Have you ever looked around YT for Q60 exhaust vids? Not only does the VR sound good uncorked, but you'd be surprised at the WHP/WTQ gains just a CBE can gain on these VR cars:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edmJHtJtVa8

I have the Infiniti Sports exhaust on my VQ37 Q60, and yes it sounds amazing, but the Camry and Q60 both sound good with aftermarket exhaust.

With the gains that exhaust will be making on VRs I am quite certain most enthusiast owners will be motivated to modify their exhaust.

And IMO the VR has better "in front of the firewall" sounds than the VQ, the VQ37 is a bit thrashy and I'm not the only one who thinks that.

takemorepills · 10-20-2020, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 1/4atatime

Everyone is focused on how good the motor is I could care less about that it's been in the q60/q50 for a while.now. I can drop one in my 370z right now if I wanted. I want to know how the new Z will handle. I test drove a q60 right after test driving a Z and I could never see myself in that car. That car feels like I'm driving a blob with wheels and a turbo. It has absolutely no character or driver feedback. If they throw on that adaptive suspension crap and drive by wire I'll never trade my 370z in. I would honestly rather drive a nisan versa than that car. At least when I'm taking a corner it will give me some driver feedback. I actually felt unsafe in the q60 I couldn't feel a hardly anything the car was doing. I'm pretty sure I would have taken a corner way too hard in it without knowing and ended up in a ditch somewhere.

My Q60 drives live a buttoned-down Buick. Really, it fits the type of car that it is. But, I agree it doesn't feel very lively from behind the wheel. Q60 is longer and weighs at least 650 pounds more than a comparable Z. And, AWD like my car has makes the Q60 even worse, unless it is raining/snowing. Then it is better than any Subaru! That's why I bought mine!

The new Q60 has EPS on some models, and regular hydraulic steering on others. I have heard nothing but bad things about the EPS. I have a VERY BAD FEELING that EPS is going to be on every new Z. Modern cars rely on EPS for lane keep assist and that crap, which I think the Z will come with. Let's hope that either Nissan makes good EPS, or they continue to have Z models that have hydraulic steering.

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Originally Posted by Andaesthetics

This 100%. Something to note is that not only is the Z Proto a prototype, but it is a working, running, driving car. I'll link video below of the Z Proto starting up, running, driving a bit, and revving.

Based on up-close video reviews of Z Proto, the new Z appears to consist of more 370Z parts than new parts (this has been verified). The wheel base is the same (this has been verified). The underside of the car, exhaust, suspension, etc. are pretty much exactly the same as the 370Z (this has been verified). The only new changes coming to the Z, besides the new exterior body shape, will obviously be the engine which will be the TTV6 (most likely VR30DDTT). It will also have the same exact oil cooler from the Q60 Red Sport (this has been verified). That along with the turbo speed sensors basically confirms it will use the Red Sport Engine. The transmission will more than likely be the 7-speed automatic just as the Red Sport uses. It appears the Z Proto had some kind of air/electronic suspension of sorts so there may be an adaptable suspension. The chassis is more than likely the same considering the wheel base is the same and Nissan does not have the money to develop a new chassis. I also kinda doubt it'll be updated or upgraded much either because again, Nissan does not have the money. The interior is virtually the same besides the new infotainment, driver digital dashboard, and yellow contrast accents.

Considering all that info and the fact that Nissan execs themselves said multiple times the car will come to production almost exactly as it is, this means that most, if not all the parts seen on the Z Proto will be on the production car.

I think a lot of people don't realize that the new Z is mostly still 370Z besides the above mentioned. Nissan shouldn't need to increase the price of the new Z very much because of this. I will bet that the new Z will start around $35,000 for the base model, going up to $45,000 MAX for the Sport/Premium/whatever line. This would be a perfect and unbeatable price point for the new Z and it would likely outsell just about all other competition on the market in that price range.

If you want to see how the above info is verified watch these videos.

( Click to show/hide )

My opinions:
The new Z and the refreshed Q60 will be available with Nissan's new 9AT. The 9AT has already replaced the 7AT in 2 existing Nissan models. The FM coupes, Armada and QX80 are next.

The RS engine has the turbine speed sensors, but the 300HP VR doesn't, so we'll see what gauge Nissan uses in the trio gauges for the 300HP models.

I don't think the headlights are completely finished. The Proto Z headlights had aftermarket white LED clearance lights used in place of high beams that were a different shade of white than the main beam. We have those exact same white LED clearance lights on our work trucks. Headlights are very expensive to make and likely weren't ready for the Proto unveil, I think the actual production units will be much different as far as the main and high beams go. I think the LED running light and actual shape are obviously finished.

The Z Proto appears to ditch the movable gauge cluster.

I'm overall excited about the new Z. I actually really like the current 370Z, Nissan using the VR motor, interior updates and classic styling cues really does it for me!

viiv · 10-20-2020, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by triso07

You spoke a lot about sound in that thread. I think it's clear the sound will be average at best unless aftermarket exhaust is used.

What about the other questions in terms of the feel of the motor?

First of all I want to put out a disclaimer that I don't really think its fair to compare aftermarket modded cars. I compare stock with stock; apples with apples. I'm sure you could throw a million dollars into a Chevy Cruze and make it sound like a fighter jet but it's irrelevant.

So with the 2020 Q60, it's not linear like the 370Z. It's faster, but doesn't feel faster. I know a couple people on here say the VQ sounds thrashy, but thats what contributes to vibrations that are also a big thing in what makes a car 'feel' fast.

Listen, as a motorcyclist I find too many car people are hung up on specs instead of raw feelings and emotion, and I guess as a motorcyclist I find the thrashy engine appealing.

I'm going to try to make the difference between my stock 2020 Z and a stock Q60 as clear as mud. After test driving the Q60, which included several hard acceleration pulls; my wife told me the Q60 didn't do anything for her emotionally at all. The gunmetal 2019 370Z demo we test drove on the other hand, when I did hard acceleration pulls, got her p**** wet. This played a big factor in placing a factory order on a 2020 Passion Red.

Bonzo · 10-21-2020, 12:09 PM

People are talking about how it feels to drive. But no one I've seen here has mentioned probably the most important aspect of feel, at least to me. What kind of power steering assist will it have? Hydraulic or electronic? THAT is a big deal to me. I have yet to test drive any car with electronic assist that I like. It all sounds great on paper and the wallet, but in reality, in the end, it just doesn't have the same feel. Even BMWs and Porsches have lost the great feel they once had. The 370Z hydraulic system has some heft and weight and feels awesome. If the 400Z has electronic assist and its all too easy and lifeless, this will be the #1 reason I wouldn't want one.

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Firebase99 · 10-21-2020, 01:15 PM

If a DCT isnt offered and they put in the same old slush box Nissan will lose credibility (to me anyway).

tvfreakazoid · 10-21-2020, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99

If a DCT isnt offered and they put in the same old slush box Nissan will lose credibility (to me anyway).

Let's hope they dont use the same auto trans as the q60.
When nissan decides to go auto, they better source it from another company. Maybe the zf tranny. But if they do, will they do a good job if tunning the auto tranny?

I'll be in my bunk!

tvfreakazoid · 10-21-2020, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by takemorepills

My Q60 drives live a buttoned-down Buick. Really, it fits the type of car that it is. But, I agree it doesn't feel very lively from behind the wheel. Q60 is longer and weighs at least 650 pounds more than a comparable Z. And, AWD like my car has makes the Q60 even worse, unless it is raining/snowing. Then it is better than any Subaru! That's why I bought mine!

The new Q60 has EPS on some models, and regular hydraulic steering on others. I have heard nothing but bad things about the EPS. I have a VERY BAD FEELING that EPS is going to be on every new Z. Modern cars rely on EPS for lane keep assist and that crap, which I think the Z will come with. Let's hope that either Nissan makes good EPS, or they continue to have Z models that have hydraulic steering.

My opinions:
The new Z and the refreshed Q60 will be available with Nissan's new 9AT. The 9AT has already replaced the 7AT in 2 existing Nissan models. The FM coupes, Armada and QX80 are next.

The RS engine has the turbine speed sensors, but the 300HP VR doesn't, so we'll see what gauge Nissan uses in the trio gauges for the 300HP models.

I don't think the headlights are completely finished. The Proto Z headlights had aftermarket white LED clearance lights used in place of high beams that were a different shade of white than the main beam. We have those exact same white LED clearance lights on our work trucks. Headlights are very expensive to make and likely weren't ready for the Proto unveil, I think the actual production units will be much different as far as the main and high beams go. I think the LED running light and actual shape are obviously finished.

The Z Proto appears to ditch the movable gauge cluster.

I'm overall excited about the new Z. I actually really like the current 370Z, Nissan using the VR motor, interior updates and classic styling cues really does it for me!

I wonder how it Nissan's new auto trans holds up against the zf and others alike.
So far, that's one of Nissan's weaker points of their q60. Among other things. They definitely dont hold up against the germans. They are 3 notches down.
They have some catching up to do.

I'll be in my bunk!

TaroBaapG35 · 10-21-2020, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

I wonder how it Nissan's new auto trans holds up against the zf and others alike.
So far, that's one of Nissan's weaker points of their q60. Among other things. They definitely dont hold up against the germans. They are 3 notches down.
They have some catching up to do.

I'll be in my bunk!

The 7AT Auto transmission was my #1 reason I didnt pick up a Q50/Q60 RS after I lost my Z. Plus Nissan will never do a DCT; That's a mainly German thing and not worth the $$ since Nissan makes their own Transmissions (Jatco). They'll most likely do the 9AT they worked on with MB If they decide not to do the 7AT.

The ZF on my S4 is awesome, but the tuning isnt as refined as the Supra's but the great thing is, they are tunable. If Nissan does go with the 9AT, it'll be tunable as well.

NissanFreak81 · 10-21-2020, 04:01 PM

It will be the new 9 speed they have and nismo is working on the tuning. That's why they said the auto version is in development, because it's not the old 7 speed. If it was then they would have announced it at the proto unveiling.

Andaesthetics · 10-21-2020, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by NissanFreak81

It will be the new 9 speed they have and nismo is working on the tuning. That's why they said the auto version is in development, because it's not the old 7 speed. If it was then they would have announced it at the proto unveiling.

That's a good point actually.

takemorepills · 10-21-2020, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by takemorepills

The new Q60 has EPS on some models, and regular hydraulic steering on others. I have heard nothing but bad things about the EPS. I have a VERY BAD FEELING that EPS is going to be on every new Z. Modern cars rely on EPS for lane keep assist and that crap, which I think the Z will come with. Let's hope that either Nissan makes good EPS, or they continue to have Z models that have hydraulic steering.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonzo

But no one I've seen here has mentioned probably the most important aspect of feel, at least to me. What kind of power steering assist will it have? Hydraulic or electronic?

My 2016 GTI had EPS, and it was good, very good.

However, I have heard very bad things about the Nissan/Infiniti EPS, things like it is "the worst ever".

takemorepills · 10-21-2020, 08:45 PM

The new 9AT Nissan is using is getting a lot of praise.

It was added mid-life in the Titan and end-of-life in the Frontier. In the Frontier, it replaced the 5AT which was a very good AT.

In the Titan the 9AT replaced the 7AT, everyone who reviews the 2020 Titan really likes the new 9AT and agreed that the 7AT was horrible.

Nissan doesn't make many vehicles that can use the 9AT, so we haven't seen it used in a car yet. Guarantee it's coming to the new Z and Q60.

I'm going to buy a 6MT just because this may be last of a breed.

FPenvy · 10-22-2020, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TaroBaapG35

The 7AT Auto transmission was my #1 reason I didnt pick up a Q50/Q60 RS after I lost my Z. Plus Nissan will never do a DCT; That's a mainly German thing and not worth the $$ since Nissan makes their own Transmissions (Jatco). They'll most likely do the 9AT they worked on with MB If they decide not to do the 7AT.

The ZF on my S4 is awesome, but the tuning isnt as refined as the Supra's but the great thing is, they are tunable. If Nissan does go with the 9AT, it'll be tunable as well.

.....but the GTR is a DCT.

so nissan technically does do DCT lol

Andaesthetics · 10-22-2020, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

.....but the GTR is a DCT.

so nissan technically does do DCT lol

A DCT would be a huge game changer, but I highly doubt it’ll happen and it’s way more likely they’ll do the 9AT. However, would it be possible to run the GTR’s DCT to the VR30DDTT?

FPenvy · 10-22-2020, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Andaesthetics

A DCT would be a huge game changer, but I highly doubt it’ll happen and it’s way more likely they’ll do the 9AT. However, would it be possible to run the GTR’s DCT to the VR30DDTT?

yea i know we wont get a DCT because it's nissan and why would you use tech from this decade

the GTR DCT i dont think would work since it's rear mounted. the Z chassis isnt set up for that. would take a whole new chassis i think for that to work.

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Bonzo Track Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 690 Drives: Finally, a 370Z!!! Rep Power: 3371	People are talking about how it feels to drive. But no one I've seen here has mentioned probably the most important aspect of feel, at least to me. What kind of power steering assist will it have? Hydraulic or electronic? THAT is a big deal to me. I have yet to test drive any car with electronic assist that I like. It all sounds great on paper and the wallet, but in reality, in the end, it just doesn't have the same feel. Even BMWs and Porsches have lost the great feel they once had. The 370Z hydraulic system has some heft and weight and feels awesome. If the 400Z has electronic assist and its all too easy and lifeless, this will be the #1 reason I wouldn't want one. Sent from my moto g(7) play using Tapatalk NecioVato, Optimiser, Firebase99 and 2 others like this. __________________ Finally Able To Order 2012 Model 8/24/2011 Delivered Tuesday November 15, 9:57 am!!! 2012, Auto, White, Sport, Kick Plates

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Firebase99 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: fl Posts: 1,372 Drives: 14 3.8 Gen Coupe GT Rep Power: 14033	If a DCT isnt offered and they put in the same old slush box Nissan will lose credibility (to me anyway). __________________ '14 3.8 Genesis Coupe, '13 Volvo S60, '04 Honda Accord, '13 370Z-sold, '05 350Z Touring-sold, '92 300Z Twin Turbo-sold, '82 280ZX-gone, '79 260Z-gone

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NissanFreak81 Base Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Houston Posts: 69 Drives: G37 Rep Power: 26	It will be the new 9 speed they have and nismo is working on the tuning. That's why they said the auto version is in development, because it's not the old 7 speed. If it was then they would have announced it at the proto unveiling. tvfreakazoid likes this.

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takemorepills Base Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 196 Drives: Q60 3.7 AWD Rep Power: 6715	The new 9AT Nissan is using is getting a lot of praise. It was added mid-life in the Titan and end-of-life in the Frontier. In the Frontier, it replaced the 5AT which was a very good AT. In the Titan the 9AT replaced the 7AT, everyone who reviews the 2020 Titan really likes the new 9AT and agreed that the 7AT was horrible. Nissan doesn't make many vehicles that can use the 9AT, so we haven't seen it used in a car yet. Guarantee it's coming to the new Z and Q60. I'm going to buy a 6MT just because this may be last of a breed.