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Nissan, unfortunately, probably won't put a DCT in the standard Z. I could see it in a Nismo though.
Standard automatics are no where near as good as DCTs. No matter what they say. Only the ZF is close, but even that depends largely on programming skills, and even then DCTs are still much better under serious manual performance conditions. |
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I remember when the 370 was finally unveiled way back when. The 350 owners all hated the boomerang headlights and tail lights. I distinctly remember someone posting on the 350z forum "Well boys, looks like our cars all went up in value."
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The profile of the car is more elongated. The bulkiness of the 370 does not exist in this new car. The hood is longer. I don't see the overall similarity of shape. I see hints but it looks like a different car to me.
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I said this two years ago, maybe longer... What they are doing is the equivalent of taking a Vietnam era cobra helicopter and updating it with newer tech and power, then call it a super cobra. You can save costs this way instead of designing a whole new air frame that works. The chassis works on the 370Z, save cost and revise what you have. It'll still be a great car, especially if it is an improvement of the great car we already have. Why not?
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Its prolly gonna have to be 55k, at least as an msrp. I can see a nismo being subsidized down to $51k. But only cuz of the competition. Remember, you still will have a 400ho Z at under 40k. Its more hp than the supra for 10k less. But nissan has to sell the nismo higher. Rumor has it a nismo could be between 450 n 500 hp? So that may be an incentive if rumor pulls true?
The c8 and Z comparison isn't the best comparison cuz its attracting 2 sides of the enthusiast world. Price comparison does have some legitimacy. But having a Supra n Z out is like having a mustang n camaro. A lot of people will be in it for that 90's heritage. If mazda does an rx or whatever with that inline 6. Its gonna be JDM wars all over again. And I think a lot of guys between 35 n 55 are looking for a JDM WAR 2. The next gen GTR, 86 and wax all coming soon too. Japan may have a small comeback. The corvette has no price competition. It battles cars above its weight class. And there will be a market for those guys too. The real question is... can these cars bring the culture back? Or these beta male soy boy pansies are gonna destroy the culture with hybrids n EV's? Im just glad sports cars aren't dead... yet!!! |
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That's one of many problems Nissan's having. And QC too. Nismo Z maybe. But that's pushing it imo. They need to have the 4cyn Z in the 20+k for sure and than go up from there. But we shall c. They hve to price it right but they need to step up on the QC too. I'll be in my bunk! |
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Toyota is apparently going to want $40K for the new 4-cylinder turbo 255 HP Supra model, which even comes with cheap brakes. No way Nissan will price a Z in the $20's for a car that is made in Japan. Start around $29,995 might be doable if they do come out with a less powered version. |
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On top of that, the next gen 86 will be out with a whopping 220 n/a hp and will start close 30k. Nissan could easily sell the 300hp engine for 34k easily and eat some power junkie 86 sales. But instead we getting an extra 100hp for a couple grand more. Seems like a good deal to me... Waiting to get the weight and dimensions of the Z to see how much of a deal we are getting. Seems most are only worried bout hp n price. Can the chassis even hold the hp? Let's see. |
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This is a render I can get behind, very interested to see what the actual Nismo model looks like.
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I'm not expecting that front lip area to be so sharply-cut, though, as well as the side vents, which I have a feeling will do absolutely nothing. Grill is probably going to be more under the leading edge. The creases are a bit much and I wouldn't expect that front fender cut. Mirrors are too small and angled more than the teaser. Wheels of course just copy+paste, but the artist set the proportions too large albeit for artistic sake. I say this hoping it's true because I think the car would look way better. Each to their own though. The general silhouette is exciting. |
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But lighter, shorter, wider, more power, higher redline at the time the rev match was sliced bread, a little more of the fastback proportions, small things like relocating the rear body brace. I see how some people hate the redundancies, like carryover interior parts, but I thought the "tweak" approach was a proper way to continue a sports car line. And I kinda hope the next Z is like that. Give me a better/modern interior, a little more power, hopefully a little less weight, try to keep it reliable and don't go to the moon in features. |
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The 2021 Supra just announced price for their 4 cylinder model and it's MSRP is over $40,000! |
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I am curious how the development costs for the Z and the Supra compare. Toyota essentially punted the development of a new chassis by licensing an existing one and fine tuning some stuff. Nissan *appears* to be cost cutting but . . . not developing a new chassis at all. Maybe we get a couple upgraded components, or maybe even the same components with better materials. I'm sure they still have to crash test it again with the feds, and then the new engine/chassis combo needs to go through all the emissions crap |
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The thing is they have to compete with the muscle cars in the segment. People WILL cross shop those. Because they're good looking cars, with good performance, and a cool factor at a similar price point. Those cars can also handle these days. In theory the buyers should be very different from each other but they aren't. It's clear that's where the money is. I imagine a good looking twin-turbo 6 with 400hp at around 3450lbs with modern tech at around a 40k price point could actually be competitive with the muscle cars sales wise. I doubt they go the "cheaper cayman" route. Lighter, higher revving, NA, etc. |
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I'm in on the new Z for sure. I owe my life to my last one so from a safety standpoint I'm already sold.
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This looks accurate. Proportions like like they should based on the current platform. I like it.
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