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Fumes entering cab (sometimes)
2014 Sport Package 370Z Coupe Sometimes after driving for a while with the heater on, I can smell some sort of fumes in the cab. NOT exhaust fumes. Smells more like oil breather fumes possibly??? Not completely sure. Intermittent. Some days I can smell it on a short drive (or not). Other days I can take a long trip and not smell it AT ALL. Never smelled it in the summertime with or without A/C. Seems to happen only when heater is on (and even then, only sometimes). When I smell it in the cab, I can stop, lift the hood, and smell NOTHING anywhere under the hood. No exhaust leaks. Checked entire engine for any kind of oil seepage onto hot engine surfaces. None. Perfectly clean. QUESTIONS: 1. Has anyone experienced this? 2. Is there an existing thread on this problem? Thanx for any help, Mike * |
Sounds like there is something in the heaters ducts or you have a leak in the heater core. Does it make any difference if you switch from recirc to outside air mode?
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I will check both air modes tomorrow and see if there is a difference. Please stay tuned. * |
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Maybe "seep" would have been a better word to use. Just enough to cause a smell but not enough to start fogging things up. |
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Edit: It might help to look through the section on HVAC in the FSM. |
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Inside of windshield absolutely clean, no coolant on it. |
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I don't think this smells like coolant, Southark. I know I can smell it in outside air mode, but I can't get out today to see if I can smell it on recirc. |
mine does this if i have the a/c-heater on in a stopped position. mine is exhaust fumes from having straight pipes. anything that isn't on the recirculate setting. if it's pulling from outside my exhaust fumes will creep in a bit. doesn't bother me though. windows are typically down anyways getting that raw burnt fuel smell lol
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Yes, glw, it could be a burnt oil smell . . . and yes, now that you mention it, the smell seems to be at its worst: 1. after hard acceleration UP steep twisty mountain roads (which is mostly what roads we have around here). AND 2. also at its worst at relatively higher rpm in lower gears while running back down the steep twisty mountain roads. I can cruise down the Interstate at 80 mph for hours and not smell it at all. |
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Thanx FPenvy, but this doesn't happen at a standstill at all * |
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Overloading the cat(alitic converters)? with what? oil or oil fumes? And how did you correct it? |
I have a 2014 sport and experience this as well. I thought it was just normal until my girlfriend smelled it too
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fluid change
I know they are threads on here about changing the fluids, I need to know the amounts of each, I haven't been able to find that.
Brake fluid: I'm going with redline. Tranmission: Going with motul Differential: Motul Power steering: redline D6 ATF automatic transmission fluid???? |
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Do you smell it ONLY when the heater is on? on outside air? recirc? both? Do you smell it ONLY under hard acceleration? Sometimes mine smells a little too strong to be considered normal I think. |
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Not sure where the fluids thread is. |
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I learned to live with it. ;) A tune might help but I doubt it would eliminate the problem. "Better" cats might help but that sounds restrictive and expensive. |
Fumes entering cab (sometimes)
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I smell it a lot when I start the car. When I am normal driving at times and always under moderate acceleration, like I rarely bust redline, just normally to 5k. I was spirited driving the other day for about two minutes and it was pretty bad when I came to a stop. I am not sure about the ac thing. I normally leave mine off all the time, literally all the time. It is a really strong gas smell. -Raj |
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Thanx Southark, But that would exit the tailpipes, correct? How would that get into the heating ducts? I do have past experience with exhaust fumes entering the cab of a different car. These are NOT exhaust fumes. They do not smell like exhaust fumes. They don't affect your eyes or throat like exhaust fumes do. (But they ARE annoying to have in a NEW car that surely doesn't need a tune up yet) Hopefully I will get a chance to check it on recirc later this week. * |
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Mine does NOT smell at all like GASOLINE, and never when I start the car. I think we have two different problems. I'd be more worried about yours! * |
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Are you stock? -Raj |
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Totally * |
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Thank you for your help. |
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My guess is that the EGR PCV valve is passing too much oil to the intake on hard acceleration and we're smelling the resultant burn. I was looking for a place to mount one an oil catch can to see if it helps, but there's no room in the stock engine bay. |
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I have berk hfc's and it is probably because of more airflow. Less restrictions. With stock cats I didn't have that problem really. -Raj |
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BEST THEORY so far because it would explain the right type of smell. I don't understand your last sentence though. If the Z comes with an Exhaust Gas Recirculation valve, how can there NOT be room for it? Are you referring to a larger aftermarket EGR possibly? * |
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I also misused EGR... should have used PCV. |
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Thanx |
Only time I get any smell is at cold start and it is only sometimes. As soon as I move out or the car warms up a little, it is gone. It's the sweet exhaust smell like all Nissan's do when they run rich at startup.
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I think the smell you getting is the PCV fumes. I get them in my car because i have then vented. If your car is new it shouldn't be escaping. You could check you PCV tubes and intake tubes. Make sure everything is on tight and no cracks.
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Yeah, I checked all that first. Thanx lj |
The problem appears to be solved. I tested the car today with heater on RECIRC. Heavy acceleration and higher rpms up and down mountains. No fumes in cab! BUT . . . placing this car on RECIRC is easier said than done! I never thought I would have to RTFM just to operate a car heater, but I had to read this one because these crazy heating units have modes upon modes:eek:. On page 4-26 under: Automatic operation, Cooling and/or dehumidified heating (automatic), Year round, Left dial: Fan on auto. A/C on (yes in the wintertime too apparently). Right dial: Airflow to foot outlets, or dash outlets, or both (but NOT defrost, NOT foot/defrost). Middle dial: set desired temp, THEN you can hit RECIRC (without it popping back to outside air). Holy crap! What are the engineers thinking when they come up with all this %#@&? Thank you all for your ideas. Mike * |
I'm glad to hear you figured it out. :tiphat:
Apparently I was wrong about the smell coming from the exhaust. Your experience leads me to believe that the EGR system is not sealed well enough from the factory and it's blowing fumes into the engine compartment. |
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