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dudafunk 12-01-2009 09:52 AM

Dynamics of selling after 2 years?
 
Hi guys,

Here's my situation, I'm an immigrant and might need to return to my home country after 2 years. So I'm trying to work some worst case numbers here. If I buy a base Z say at 30k + tax = say 35k just for the example's sake.

I pay off half of the loan + interest etc. in the 2 years.

I get forced to leave the country. I try to sell to a private party but have no luck. So now I sell it off to a dealer and get lesser right? The question is... what kind of numbers are we talking here? I did look up resale values of 2006 models and its surely over half of the car's price. Are there any hidden losses due to loan transfers or any other things?

Bottom line, if I am forced to sell it in a week and must accept whatever I get - will I get back half the value of the car? Assume average annual mileage, good condition etc.

FuszNissan 12-01-2009 10:12 AM

If you are forced out in a week, and you paid half the loan down, you should still be in an equity position. I can't really tell you what NY is doing for pricing for Z's, but you would have to at least see a 4k difference for used to new retail. So if Z's are selling for 27K in NY for base, then I would guess a buy figure of 20-21K. The only thing is depreciation to worry about, if you sell it there isn't any hidden losses, or fees.

Bottom line you will be in an equity situation if you find a buyer.

dudafunk 12-01-2009 10:15 AM

...if I find a buyer... --> wouldn't the dealership "just take it back" to add to its' certified pre-owned inventory and (of course) offer me 'peanuts' for it? Say $15,000?

kdo2milger 12-01-2009 10:20 AM

you could always lease one...

dudafunk 12-01-2009 10:32 AM

No I want to keep it... I will probably stay in the country and pay off the regular loan etc. but I want to factor out visa issues etc. and plan accordingly. I should be able to get rid of it and not make a "large" loss if I have to leave the country.

kdo2milger 12-01-2009 10:35 AM

cant take it with you?

may be more profitable...

dudafunk 12-01-2009 10:38 AM

Na... not practical.

But is it really all that hard to just return to dealers and get $15,000 on a 2 year old Z?

kdo2milger 12-01-2009 10:39 AM

no not at all...

you you most definately stand to profit more through private sales though...

dudafunk 12-01-2009 10:43 AM

Of course buddy, I'm just trying to work my numbers considering the worst case sceanrio:

<i>"...I get forced to leave the country. I try to sell to a private party but have no luck. So now I sell it off to a dealer..."</i>

I want to work my numbers on what I know I have a 'guarantee' to get... so what I"m trying to learn here is.. if its possible to close your eyes and leave the country in the next month- and be able to go to the dealer and get "something" straight up... and if that "something" will be more than $15,000 or not.

kdo2milger 12-01-2009 10:49 AM

your best bet would be to link up with Joe (a sponsored dealer here) at koeppel nissan, seeing as how he is in your region and will most likely have the info you need/want...

link below...

Koeppel Nissan - Supporting Dealer - Nissan 370Z Forum

FuszNissan 12-01-2009 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dudafunk (Post 302329)
...if I find a buyer... --> wouldn't the dealership "just take it back" to add to its' certified pre-owned inventory and (of course) offer me 'peanuts' for it? Say $15,000?

Maybe next year I can see $15K. But in a week or a month. I would say worse case scenario 20K

dudafunk 12-01-2009 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FuszNissan (Post 302376)
Maybe next year I can see $15K. But in a week or a month. I would say worse case scenario 20K

What I meant was, if I buy a 2009 today, and sell it in 2011 will I get $15k... In other words, if I sell a 2007 350z back to a dealer, will I easily get $15k?... kbb says lot more than $15k but I still want to consider a worst case. Like, if I tell a dealer hey I'm happy with $15k, will he close his eyes and take the car back or not...

kdo2milger 12-01-2009 11:05 AM

if the economy doesnt fall off anymore and atleast maintains, you should theoretically get atleast 17k as long as you keep the miliage down and keep it in excellent condition...

i based that off of going to kbb and doing a few comparos with a 07 touring low miles and excellent condition...

370Zsteve 12-01-2009 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by dudafunk (Post 302384)
What I meant was, if I buy a 2009 today, and sell it in 2011 will I get $15k... In other words, if I sell a 2007 350z back to a dealer, will I easily get $15k?... kbb says lot more than $15k but I still want to consider a worst case. Like, if I tell a dealer hey I'm happy with $15k, will he close his eyes and take the car back or not...

Impossible question to answer. Every situation will be different. Look at the Kelley Blue Book value of a 2-year-old Z today, that should be your guideline as to a "ballpark number".

Used Car - Used Car Prices, Used Car Values & Reviews - Kelley Blue Book

FuszNissan 12-01-2009 02:06 PM

I understand what your asking but I can't honestly give you a number. Steve mentions a great point on KBB, but it still may not be the case in 2 years. I wish I had a crystal ball to tell you a number, but your guess is as good as ours. The Z's residuals are even guess by the financial institutions, and they are usually wrong all the time. The Z has a 60% residual for 2 years, will it end up holding that who knows.

dudafunk 12-01-2009 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FuszNissan (Post 302678)
The Z has a 60% residual for 2 years, will it end up holding that who knows.

For my calculations to be "wise" and for the whole loan situation + immigration situation to not go lop sided, all I require is a guarantee that the car will be worth 50% of its value after two years. If its worth more than 50% good for me, but if I can get a guarantee that I'd get at least half the money back it'll really make me comfortable.

How about I rephrase my question. From experience, how much do you say it would be "at least" worth when I walk in at the dealership trying to get rid of it ;)

Holliday 12-01-2009 03:00 PM

Dude, you should have no problem selling your Z in two years more than half it's price. They hold there value very well and will still be "NEW" around most parts of the country. If it were an 08 I would say otherwise, cause they are on every corner! Good luck with your choice!

I VOTE GO FOR IT!:happydance:

Slynky 12-01-2009 03:42 PM

WOW ! Some scary value drop off there...

Bought my '06 RSX in '05 when they first came out. Checking out the value (in consideration of getting a Z) in November showed my mileage and condition worth between $17,000 - $18,000 as a private sale. That's only about $5,500 off what I paid for it over 4 years ago.


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