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Vectorsumio 08-25-2009 05:51 PM
Oil Temperature Video
 
This isn't a hate video... I love my NISMO!!! I'm just concerned about these quick rising oil temps.

YouTube - 370z NISMO OIL ISSUES

m4a1mustang 08-25-2009 06:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vectorsumio (Post 168990)
This isn't a hate video... I love my NISMO!!! I'm just concerned about these quick rising oil temps.

YouTube - 370z NISMO OIL ISSUES
If you are going to push the car you'll see temps higher than 220*F.

During my morning commutes (roughly 45 minutes) I get up to 215-225*F. This is normal.

Oil temps are only an issue with these cars if you plan on tracking. Do a search on the subject -- this has been discussed and put to bed many times here.

Red370 08-25-2009 06:17 PM
good vid, however, you keep the car constant above 4k, I wouldnt say thats normal daily driving by any stretch. Id say avg shift point is between 2500-3k, temps shouldnt exceed 220 if its driven normally.

SB350z 08-25-2009 06:30 PM
1st you kept the car @ 4000 RPM at 3rd gear. Then you downshifted to 2nd gear and still kept at 4000 RPM . umm yeah... that's how the normal people drive :rolleyes:

m4a1mustang 08-25-2009 06:31 PM
Very true!

Vectorsumio 08-25-2009 06:35 PM
LOL, it's not? /shy

m4a1mustang 08-25-2009 06:36 PM
Normal people cruise at ~2k, if that. :)

Vectorsumio 08-25-2009 06:42 PM
Guess I'm still used to driving my S2000. :p

Red370 08-25-2009 06:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vectorsumio (Post 169086)
Guess I'm still used to driving my S2000. :p
Yeah, id say 2k should be the max when cruising. S2K's are some high revving mofos, but I still wouldnt recommend cruising at 4k.

U-NVmyZ? 08-25-2009 09:04 PM
4000 rpm is really high to me when cruising.. shyuut, thats gas jugging, even if im cruising at 35 mph im in 6th gear trying to save gas lol

tbonesteak 08-25-2009 09:10 PM
Sorry to ruin your parade, but you ain't saving any gas by shifting to 6th at 35mph. There is a time for everything. Bogging your engine not only isn't too good for the motor but it has to struggle at that low of revs and will hurt mpg. It's all about efficiency, not being in the tallest gear at any speed.

tbonesteak 08-25-2009 09:15 PM
OP, i just came from an s2k as well. Different beast. You have to get used to feeling comfy with 1.5k revs cruising on 4th for there will still be enough torque to pull away. The way you were driving on the vid is not how you cruise in this car. I'm cruising at 2-2.5k and never go above 220 nomatter how long i sit in socal heat soaked traffic.

spearfish25 08-25-2009 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by tbonesteak (Post 169520)
Sorry to ruin your parade, but you ain't saving any gas by shifting to 6th at 35mph. There is a time for everything. Bogging your engine not only isn't too good for the motor but it has to struggle at that low of revs and will hurt mpg. It's all about efficiency, not being in the tallest gear at any speed.
Yep. The GT-R has a screen that shows your efficiency in your respective gear. Too low or too high a gear will equally kill your MPG. And for the record, highway driving in the 6MT in 6th gear can routinely be in the 3k RPM range.

tbonesteak 08-26-2009 01:15 AM
^^yeah i find myself cruising at 80+mph (~3k or higher revs) without even knowing because this car picks up speed so fast.

Trips 08-26-2009 01:40 AM
http://images51.fotki.com/v1547/phot...e234512-vi.gif

The video shows that some aggressive driving will make the oil temp start to rise. Don't most of us already know that?

antennahead 08-26-2009 07:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tbonesteak (Post 169520)
Sorry to ruin your parade, but you ain't saving any gas by shifting to 6th at 35mph. There is a time for everything. Bogging your engine not only isn't too good for the motor but it has to struggle at that low of revs and will hurt mpg. It's all about efficiency, not being in the tallest gear at any speed.
:iagree: cruising at 2000 RPM feels like I'm lugging the engine. Normal cruising for me is more like 2800 to 3000 RPM.

John

Vectorsumio 08-26-2009 10:44 AM
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The video shows that some aggressive driving will make the oil temp start to rise. Don't most of us already know that?
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Eick!!! :eek: Aggressive driving? I never even went above 5k. How was this aggressive? OMG I love that picture btw! I swear that's the dood from office space beating the copy machine!

kannibul 08-26-2009 12:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vectorsumio (Post 168990)
This isn't a hate video... I love my NISMO!!! I'm just concerned about these quick rising oil temps.

YouTube - 370z NISMO OIL ISSUES

Who drives their car around like that...seriously?

He's out to prove a point that oil temps rise with high engine RPM's, like that's some kind of revelation...

Short of sticking the car on a track, oil temps won't be an issue. Oil starts having issue around 350-400F - the bearings in the engine start to potentailly have issues at or above 300F. That's why Nissan put in a "limp mode" when it hits 260 and again with it hits 280 - not to protect the oil - but to protect the main bearings.

Lug 08-26-2009 01:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kannibul (Post 170507)
Who drives their car around like that...seriously?

He's out to prove a point that oil temps rise with high engine RPM's, like that's some kind of revelation...

Short of sticking the car on a track, oil temps won't be an issue. Oil starts having issue around 350-400F - the bearings in the engine start to potentailly have issues at or above 300F. That's why Nissan put in a "limp mode" when it hits 260 and again with it hits 280 - not to protect the oil - but to protect the main bearings.
Yep.

NIZMOZ 08-26-2009 01:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kannibul (Post 170507)
Who drives their car around like that...seriously?

He's out to prove a point that oil temps rise with high engine RPM's, like that's some kind of revelation...

Short of sticking the car on a track, oil temps won't be an issue. Oil starts having issue around 350-400F - the bearings in the engine start to potentailly have issues at or above 300F. That's why Nissan put in a "limp mode" when it hits 260 and again with it hits 280 - not to protect the oil - but to protect the main bearings.
He wasn't at high rpms. 4k is low for the engine. It should not be doing that.

kannibul 08-26-2009 02:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NIZMOZ (Post 170706)
He wasn't at high rpms. 4k is low for the engine. It should not be doing that.
4K is high for most engines. Just because the redline has changed, doesn't change the thermal charactoristics of how burning gasoline creates heat.

Consider this, an engine running at 4000 RPM is moving 90MPH down the road. That's a lot of airflow through the engine compartment.

Now, run your engine at 4000 RPM and go 10MPH. Guess what, your engine heats up faster. OMG! Panic ensues, people put up posts about how hot the engine is, and put up youtube videos.

Also, consider that people on here are griping about 220F oil. Seriously? That's nothing to be concerned over. That's just over halfway before oil would have any issues, and over 80F from any potential damage to your bearings.

Go stand in a freezer, then go stand outside. That's an approximation of the difference in temperature that is....and there's still another 100F to go before the oil is in any danger.

Honestly, if Nissan started their oil temp guage at 180F, and had it run up to 350F, and left everything alone, there would be less panic over this - people would be griping about how their oil never gets warm - lol...

xfrgtr 08-26-2009 02:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kannibul (Post 170728)
4K is high for most engines. Just because the redline has changed, doesn't change the thermal charactoristics of how burning gasoline creates heat.

Consider this, an engine running at 4000 RPM is moving 90MPH down the road. That's a lot of airflow through the engine compartment.

Now, run your engine at 4000 RPM and go 10MPH. Guess what, your engine heats up faster. OMG! Panic ensues, people put up posts about how hot the engine is, and put up youtube videos.

Also, consider that people on here are griping about 220F oil. Seriously? That's nothing to be concerned over. That's just over halfway before oil would have any issues, and over 80F from any potential damage to your bearings.

Go stand in a freezer, then go stand outside. That's an approximation of the difference in temperature that is....and there's still another 100F to go before the oil is in any danger.

Honestly, if Nissan started their oil temp guage at 180F, and had it run up to 350F, and left everything alone, there would be less panic over this - people would be griping about how their oil never gets warm - lol...
:iagree:

Vectorsumio 08-26-2009 03:01 PM
Quote:
Who drives their car around like that...seriously?
Sometimes, this guy. But only when I'm trying to make a video showing oil temps. :p Or driving to the airport or sometimes when Im going to the movies or merging onto freeways or passing a semi-trucks... Kannibul is the slug in Z events /giggle. *gets in front of Kannibul* /beep beep

Some people at the track tend to race 4k and lower. :icon14: But they never win. We rescued them though, guess they got lost when they were out buying groceries and ended up accidently on the track in a car that looked like it belonged there.

YamahaR6 08-26-2009 03:46 PM
I think it's a great video showing concern about the oil temperature.

The car wasn't even pushed over 5K RPM and the temp got that high. Even at constance 4K RPM it shouldn't be a problem.

I took a 997 Turbo on track (yes, different car), went around 10 laps; and the oil temp was... 90 Degree (194 Fahrenheit). And I could even put my hand on the intakes.

Yes, it's two different car, but my point is, cruising at 4K RPM shouldn't have oil up to 220 Fahrenheit.

kannibul 08-26-2009 05:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vectorsumio (Post 170821)
Sometimes, this guy. But only when I'm trying to make a video showing oil temps. :p Or driving to the airport or sometimes when Im going to the movies or merging onto freeways or passing a semi-trucks... Kannibul is the slug in Z events /giggle. *gets in front of Kannibul* /beep beep

Some people at the track tend to race 4k and lower. :icon14: But they never win. We rescued them though, guess they got lost when they were out buying groceries and ended up accidently on the track in a car that looked like it belonged there.
Sure, I drive around with my car at 4K all the time. Seriously, your attempt at proving a point is laughable.

What's your gas mileage with 4K driving? 8MPG?

kannibul 08-26-2009 05:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by YamahaR6 (Post 170886)
I think it's a great video showing concern about the oil temperature.

The car wasn't even pushed over 5K RPM and the temp got that high. Even at constance 4K RPM it shouldn't be a problem.

I took a 997 Turbo on track (yes, different car), went around 10 laps; and the oil temp was... 90 Degree (194 Fahrenheit). And I could even put my hand on the intakes.

Yes, it's two different car, but my point is, cruising at 4K RPM shouldn't have oil up to 220 Fahrenheit.
I guess you didn't read my post.

I redline my car at every take off and use my throttle liberally to express my displeasure with slow moving traffic, and my oil temps rarely hit 220F.

I tried for an hour on the street to get my car into limp mode. Didn't happen.


You'd think that this engine, being in the Infinity G37 for the past two years...oil temp issues would have come up and have been blown into headline news on CNN or some shi.. -But no, it hasn't, because it's not an issue.

If it worries you that bad, buy an oil cooler and put it on. Just don't bi.ch about it when Nissan denies your warranty claim if it causes an issue...

NIZMOZ 08-26-2009 08:33 PM
4k rpms is low for that engine and I will say it again 4k is low. I ran my HR at 4k and saw temps get no higher than 210 on my gauge in 105 degree temps.

He was at 240+ with 4k rpms.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kannibul (Post 170728)
4K is high for most engines. Just because the redline has changed, doesn't change the thermal charactoristics of how burning gasoline creates heat.

Consider this, an engine running at 4000 RPM is moving 90MPH down the road. That's a lot of airflow through the engine compartment.

Now, run your engine at 4000 RPM and go 10MPH. Guess what, your engine heats up faster. OMG! Panic ensues, people put up posts about how hot the engine is, and put up youtube videos.

Also, consider that people on here are griping about 220F oil. Seriously? That's nothing to be concerned over. That's just over halfway before oil would have any issues, and over 80F from any potential damage to your bearings.

Go stand in a freezer, then go stand outside. That's an approximation of the difference in temperature that is....and there's still another 100F to go before the oil is in any danger.

Honestly, if Nissan started their oil temp guage at 180F, and had it run up to 350F, and left everything alone, there would be less panic over this - people would be griping about how their oil never gets warm - lol...

NIZMOZ 08-26-2009 08:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by YamahaR6 (Post 170886)
I think it's a great video showing concern about the oil temperature.

The car wasn't even pushed over 5K RPM and the temp got that high. Even at constance 4K RPM it shouldn't be a problem.

I took a 997 Turbo on track (yes, different car), went around 10 laps; and the oil temp was... 90 Degree (194 Fahrenheit). And I could even put my hand on the intakes.

Yes, it's two different car, but my point is, cruising at 4K RPM shouldn't have oil up to 220 Fahrenheit.
Exactly. It won't get that high. When will people admit there is a problem with the car? LOL

NIZMOZ 08-26-2009 08:35 PM
Wrong. It has been a big issue on the G37 forums. That is where we learned a lot of what could be causing it. Maybe you need to go do some research man.

One post out of many... http://myg37.com/forums/engine-drive...-6200-rpm.html



Quote:
Originally Posted by kannibul (Post 171178)
I guess you didn't read my post.

I redline my car at every take off and use my throttle liberally to express my displeasure with slow moving traffic, and my oil temps rarely hit 220F.

I tried for an hour on the street to get my car into limp mode. Didn't happen.


You'd think that this engine, being in the Infinity G37 for the past two years...oil temp issues would have come up and have been blown into headline news on CNN or some shi.. -But no, it hasn't, because it's not an issue.

If it worries you that bad, buy an oil cooler and put it on. Just don't bi.ch about it when Nissan denies your warranty claim if it causes an issue...

YamahaR6 08-26-2009 10:20 PM
I don't think oil temp going over 220 fahrenheit on any car will destory an engine. Mobil 1 states that their oil can still protect even the oil temp hits 400 fahrenheit.

But my question is: Is normal driving under 5K RPM and oil temp gets to 220 fahrenheit consider normal? Are there any other cars that does this? (other than G37).

Philipp 08-26-2009 10:42 PM
Group,
We are in 2009... F1 cars go to up 18k since the mid-eighties.
Even my last 2 cars (Rx8s) wouldn’t go anywhere below 6k...
Any good sport car should easily sustain long time driving above 5k without any issues! Besides a pleasant engine noise..

RDGR12 08-26-2009 10:44 PM
I think this is a great video. It shows how reactive it is in that type of driving conditions. He's barely pushing the car. Imagine what will happen pushing for more.

Kannibul... your Z look sharp!!

YamahaR6 08-26-2009 11:12 PM
Sigh~

Forget it NizmoZ, some people just doesn't get it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by NIZMOZ (Post 171415)
Wrong. It has been a big issue on the G37 forums. That is where we learned a lot of what could be causing it. Maybe you need to go do some research man.

One post out of many... Enginte cut-off at 6200 RPM - MyG37

AK370Z 08-26-2009 11:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vectorsumio (Post 168990)
I'm just concerned about these quick rising oil temps.
If you're so concerned about oil temp rising, you can install the Nissan Motorsports oil cooler now (or wait for the OEM Nismo cooler). I don't think there has been a single member that hit the limp mode on street driving.

Nissan USA's statement:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nissan USA
The 370Z has an engine protection system that reduces peak engine speeds when the oil temperature exceeds recommended levels in order to protect against possible engine damage. Aggressive driving of the 370Z on a race track at sustained high engine speeds can cause increases in oil temperature and may activate this engine protection system. To avoid activation of this engine protection system and these reduced peak engine speeds, Nissan recommends an oil cooler be fitted to the 370Z before driving it on a race track. A Nissan Motorsports accessory oil cooler kit is available for customer purchase through authorized Nissan dealerships for race track use. The part number is 21300-SS370.

An oil cooler is not necessary for normal operation of the vehicle on public roads. The addition of an oil cooler would have raised the price of the car and potentially moved it out of the reach of some customers. Value has been a core principle of the Z car since the original 240Z and we choose to uphold this core principle by not adding additional costs that are unnecessary for normal use. For those individuals who choose to drive their vehicle on a race track, the oil cooler is available as an aftersales item.

The oil cooler is a Nissan Motorsports item and as such is sold without warranty, express or implied, unless expressly prohibited by law in which case the warranty provided is the minimum required by law. The installation of the Nissan Motorsports oil cooler does not, by itself, “void” the vehicle warranty. However any damage caused by the installation or use of this part is expressly excluded under the terms of the Nissan New Vehicle Limited warranty.

antennahead 08-26-2009 11:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AK370Z (Post 171963)
If you're so concerned about oil temp rising, you can install the Nissan Motorsports oil cooler now (or wait for the OEM Nismo cooler).

Nissan USA's statement:
Any idea AK when the OEM Nismo cooler will be available?

John

AK370Z 08-26-2009 11:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by antennahead (Post 171966)
Any idea AK when the OEM Nismo cooler will be available?

John
I do not have that information. I can ask if you want.

antennahead 08-26-2009 11:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AK370Z (Post 171970)
I do not have that information. I can ask if you want.
If it's not too much trouble I would appreciate it. Have been on the fence about this, and will probably for peace of mind install one in the near future. I am hoping it will be a little cheaper than the Nissan Motorsports cooler. Thanks!

John

kannibul 08-26-2009 11:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NIZMOZ (Post 171405)
4k rpms is low for that engine and I will say it again 4k is low. I ran my HR at 4k and saw temps get no higher than 210 on my gauge in 105 degree temps.

He was at 240+ with 4k rpms.
Did you watch the same video as what's posted? He hit 220.

kannibul 08-26-2009 11:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NIZMOZ (Post 171415)
Wrong. It has been a big issue on the G37 forums. That is where we learned a lot of what could be causing it. Maybe you need to go do some research man.

One post out of many... Enginte cut-off at 6200 RPM - MyG37
THe post you reference is someone who took their car to a track.

<gee> - perhaps you should consider reading more.

Better yet - try and get your Nizmo into limp mode, on the street, without doing anything illegal and/or stupid - like driving the car around at 4K for extended periods of time.

Oh, wait, according to your info, you drive a 350z. Go buy a 370z, drive one around and know that the oil temp issue is being blown out of proportion.

I did the same thing, until I TRIED to get mine to go into limp mode, and was unsuccessful.

NIZMOZ 08-27-2009 06:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kannibul (Post 171992)
THe post you reference is someone who took their car to a track.

<gee> - perhaps you should consider reading more.

Better yet - try and get your Nizmo into limp mode, on the street, without doing anything illegal and/or stupid - like driving the car around at 4K for extended periods of time.

Oh, wait, according to your info, you drive a 350z. Go buy a 370z, drive one around and know that the oil temp issue is being blown out of proportion.

I did the same thing, until I TRIED to get mine to go into limp mode, and was unsuccessful.
Hmm maybe you need to read through the whole thread. And the site for that matter. Same issues, track or not the car is getting hot.

I have driven my car like I said at 4k and held it there for a long time. My temps didn't go over 210. But I also don't own a 370z.

I just don't understand why you keep denying the problem when it's on the video and many forums. :shakes head:


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