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antennahead 09-29-2009 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by frost (Post 217811)
Oh, I know how to do it, and do it well. I just wanna. Car is there to please me, not the other way around.
..... agreed, it's there to please you, not the other way around ................ because you have "mastered the hole control" :p

tvfreakazoid 09-30-2009 01:38 AM
It would be a nice touch to have the approach sensor.:tup:

ZeeRay 09-30-2009 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Steven (Post 216748)
Hi, on the 370Z, does the Nissan "intelligent key" have a feature where the doors automatically unlock when you walk close to the vehicle and lock when you walk away?

on my 370z, i have to manually lock and unlock by pressing the buttons on the key fob.. is that right?


sorry, n00b question. :tiphat:

yes i did try the search with no helpful results.

thanks for the help!
My Vette has it, wish the Z did....

vipor 09-30-2009 10:05 AM
The prox range from either door handle or the hatch is roughly 21 inches. The range of the remote itself is probably 50ft or more. If you want to increse the range a little bit just put the fob under your chin while using it. It sounds like an old wives tale, but it works, been doing it for years when working on cars.

MeetJoeAsian 09-30-2009 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by vipor (Post 218153)
If you want to increse the range a little bit just put the fob under your chin while using it. It sounds like an old wives tale, but it works, been doing it for years when working on cars.
Yup, that is true. I've been doing this for years too. Customers would be looking at me weird, but when you have 200 cars on the front line, and you're trying to see where one is, it definitely helps...

cave vulture 10-01-2009 01:37 AM
Increasing the range of the fob.......
 
With my Subaru Baja, if you hold the remote under your chin you get increased range for operating the remote. Havn't tried it yet with the Z , but theoretically with you acting as an antenna, it should work for the Z fob also.

kdo2milger 10-01-2009 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by cave vulture (Post 218887)
With my Subaru Baja, if you hold the remote under your chin you get increased range for operating the remote. Havn't tried it yet with the Z , but theoretically with you acting as an antenna, it should work for the Z fob also.
i use to do the same thing with my viper alarm on the mach 1 :icon17: it actually worked...not sure it would on this fob though...

SGTseanzie 10-01-2009 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by kdo2milger (Post 218921)
i use to do the same thing with my viper alarm on the mach 1 :icon17: it actually worked...not sure it would on this fob though...
i also noticed that if you point the remote into your mouth, it gives it range too.... don't ask me how i know this..haha

MeetJoeAsian 10-01-2009 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SGTseanzie (Post 218936)
i also noticed that if you point the remote into your mouth, it gives it range too.... don't ask me how i know this..haha
hmmmm...what else do you put in your mouth?

Nick911sc 10-01-2009 03:10 PM
The only thing that worries me about our key is the RFID chip. It is extremely easy for someone with the right equipment to pick up the signal and replicate it into a usable key.

FricFrac 10-01-2009 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by MeetJoeAsian (Post 219183)
hmmmm...what else do you put in your mouth?
Is that a question or a proposition? ;P

FricFrac 10-01-2009 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick911sc (Post 219198)
The only thing that worries me about our key is the RFID chip. It is extremely easy for someone with the right equipment to pick up the signal and replicate it into a usable key.
I don't know how the key works but its likely a rolling code with x bits of encryption so its unlikely that it could be captured and used as any sort of viable information..... that technology has been around for well over 10 years on car alarms...

Nick911sc 10-01-2009 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by FricFrac (Post 219220)
I don't know how the key works but its likely a rolling code with x bits of encryption so its unlikely that it could be captured and used as any sort of viable information..... that technology has been around for well over 10 years on car alarms...

The technology is already being used to steal information from peoples passports and credit cards..So it's a completely viable situation.

FricFrac 10-01-2009 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick911sc (Post 219232)
The technology is already being used to steal information from peoples passports and credit cards..So it's a completely viable situation.
I know about the technology for capture. What I'm saying is that you can capture whatever encrypted data you want if you have no way of unecrypting it its useless. I assuming that ours uses one of the rolling encryptions - do you have information about how ours works you can pass on to me that I can look at?

Nick911sc 10-01-2009 05:38 PM
No, I don't have any information. It's all in theory I suppose.

theDreamer 10-01-2009 05:40 PM
The thing about the RFID tags and hacking them is that many of the Credit Card systems and others do not have proper encryption on them when transferring data between the card and the tellers system.

schrute 10-09-2009 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by vipor (Post 218153)
The prox range from either door handle or the hatch is roughly 21 inches. The range of the remote itself is probably 50ft or more. If you want to increse the range a little bit just put the fob under your chin while using it. It sounds like an old wives tale, but it works, been doing it for years when working on cars.
I tried this for the first time yesterday and was amazed at the result. The fob worked from about 150 yards away when I put it under my chin. I was stunned.

I did have a line of sight to the car as I was on an upper floor at work looking over the parking lot. No way my fob would work from that far without the chin trick. :rofl2:

This will come in handy on hot days to get the windows rolled down and the interior cooling for a few minutes while I make the hike out to my car. :)

terrycs 10-10-2009 02:49 PM
The i-key was meant to stay in ones pocket or purse. IMO, it just makes more sense to push the button on the door since you already have to put your hand on the handle to open it.

Also keep in mind the more often the i-key buttons are used, the faster the battery inside runs down.

SGTseanzie 10-10-2009 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by MeetJoeAsian (Post 219183)
hmmmm...what else do you put in your mouth?
I put the occasional slice of gum in there, from time to time.:nutswinger:

kenchan 10-10-2009 05:43 PM
quick question...i noticed this today and i can't figure it out reading the owner's manual.

my car doesnt seem to recognize either one of my intelligent keys without the keys
in the key port.

before i could just sit in the car with the key in my pocket, i hit ENGINE START
and drove off.

this morning i sat in my car as usual, hit the ENGINE START and the LCD says
"NO KEY". :confused: so i inserted my key into the port and drove off.

while i was inside the car during my drive, i shut off the car, pulled my key from
the port and hit ENGINE START and it started without the key in the port.

this afternoon it's back to NO KEY unless i have they key in the port.

:confused: any tricks to get it back to not having to have to put the key in the port?

MeetJoeAsian 10-10-2009 06:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 230599)
quick question...i noticed this today and i can't figure it out reading the owner's manual.

my car doesnt seem to recognize either one of my intelligent keys without the keys
in the key port.

before i could just sit in the car with the key in my pocket, i hit ENGINE START
and drove off.

this morning i sat in my car as usual, hit the ENGINE START and the LCD says
"NO KEY". :confused: so i inserted my key into the port and drove off.

while i was inside the car during my drive, i shut off the car, pulled my key from
the port and hit ENGINE START and it started without the key in the port.

this afternoon it's back to NO KEY unless i have they key in the port.

:confused: any tricks to get it back to not having to have to put the key in the port?
I know with the Toyotas, there is a switch you can turn off the i-key feature and use the fob like a regular fob and it must be inserted...I'm not sure about the Nissans

kenchan 10-10-2009 07:54 PM
Never mind, I figured it out. Apparently the 2 conductor wire inside the console is an antenna. Had that unplugged from an install I did earlier this week.

Plugged it back in and now it works like before. :p

SLICKYz 09-27-2010 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by MeetJoeAsian (Post 217421)
here's a question since there's a thread opened already...kinda a little off topic but has to do with keyfob...sorry, if this is in the manual, then, well, I'm just too lazy to read it, but here goes:

How long/far can you drive the car without the the keyfob inside the car? cuz you can actually drive it once it's been started without the keyfob..


oh, here's another tip for the OP, if your engine is running, and you need to step out of the car for a quick minute (to run into the grocery store, or maybe to warn up your car in the early morning), you can start the car, step out, close the door, and use the keyfob or the button on the door handle to lock the car...I do this a lot when I have to just run in and out somewhere, just so I don't have to restart my car again and my A/C will still be running, AND my car is locked so no one can get in it...I guess you can say there's a benefit to this too: you burn less gas cuz you don't have to restart the car, cuz your car juices more gas when you start the vehicle...then again, if you're gonna be in somewhere for 30 minute, that defeats the whole purpose of saving gas...in that case, turn off your damn car, you're heating up the outdoor damn it... :)
I read that the even without the i-Key in the vicinity, the car will run until it is shut off. After that, the key needs to be present for it to start again. Yeah it's a little disturbing that if you turn your car on and someone carjacks you, they can travel as far the gas in tank permits. If it's any consolation, atleast you still have your i-Key hahaha.

MeetJoeAsian 09-29-2010 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by SLICKYz (Post 739954)
I read that the even without the i-Key in the vicinity, the car will run until it is shut off. After that, the key needs to be present for it to start again. Yeah it's a little disturbing that if you turn your car on and someone carjacks you, they can travel as far the gas in tank permits. If it's any consolation, atleast you still have your i-Key hahaha.
I think it's actually a liability issue, just like if you set up booby traps for buglars...eventhough they are breaking the law, you still cannot harm them...cuz they can sue you....So yes, eventhough a thief is stealing your car, if your car dies in the middle of a highway, and another car hits him and injures him, he can sue the manufacturer....kind of a catch-22

fuzzywuzzy 09-29-2010 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MeetJoeAsian (Post 217421)
here's a question since there's a thread opened already...kinda a little off topic but has to do with keyfob...sorry, if this is in the manual, then, well, I'm just too lazy to read it, but here goes:

How long/far can you drive the car without the the keyfob inside the car? cuz you can actually drive it once it's been started without the keyfob..


oh, here's another tip for the OP, if your engine is running, and you need to step out of the car for a quick minute (to run into the grocery store, or maybe to warn up your car in the early morning), you can start the car, step out, close the door, and use the keyfob or the button on the door handle to lock the car...I do this a lot when I have to just run in and out somewhere, just so I don't have to restart my car again and my A/C will still be running, AND my car is locked so no one can get in it...I guess you can say there's a benefit to this too: you burn less gas cuz you don't have to restart the car, cuz your car juices more gas when you start the vehicle...then again, if you're gonna be in somewhere for 30 minute, that defeats the whole purpose of saving gas...in that case, turn off your damn car, you're heating up the outdoor damn it... :)


No it doesn't take more gas to start your car than to leave it running :icon14:...where do people get these "facts" ?

SeattleLion 09-30-2010 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by MeetJoeAsian (Post 743454)
I think it's actually a liability issue, just like if you set up booby traps for buglars...eventhough they are breaking the law, you still cannot harm them...cuz they can sue you....So yes, eventhough a thief is stealing your car, if your car dies in the middle of a highway, and another car hits him and injures him, he can sue the manufacturer....kind of a catch-22
The way my Prius worked is that if you had the car turned on (which doesn't necessarily mean the engine is running) and left the car, the car would not go into drive or reverse. It just sat there until someone with the fob returns. It also had proximity door unlocking, but not from a distance. You had to insert your hand into the door handle, then the door unlocked itself. I really liked those features.

SouthArk370Z 12-22-2010 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by fuzzywuzzy (Post 743509)
No it doesn't take more gas to start your car than to leave it running :icon14:...where do people get these "facts" ?
. Back in The Good Old Days (when cars had carburetors) it could take quite a bit of gas to start a car, especially if the operator liked to pump the gas pedal. The pedal was mechanically connected to an accelerator pump that would shoot a little extra gas into the manifold with each press of the pedal (even if the battery was out of the car; it would add gas until the fuel bowl was empty if you kept pumping the pedal).
. Not a problem with modern EFI cars (especially ones with "drive-by-wire" gas pedals and auto-start as with a 370Z), but the "fact" lingers on in lore.
.
. There is extra stress on the starter and battery every time you start the car, but I'm guessing that being able to manipulate valve timing greatly reduces that wear & tear (compared to The Good Old Days).
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Youngwolf34 08-31-2014 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by edeeZee (Post 216824)
Let me tell ya a little secret. If you idiotically left your FOBgina, as so many on here call it, in the car, and you happen to press the button below the silver door handle (exterior), it won't let you lock yourself outta the car. Try it my fellow 370 drivers. My Nissan rep at Fontana Neezan demonstrated that feature.

I'm awaiting my rep points... ;)
You know what I been wondering about, lets say I take a nap in my Z during lunch hour. And I turn off the engine and lock my doors with the FOBgina. inside the car. Can someone from outside unlock my door by pressing the button below the door handle ,since the Fobgina is in the car? And rob my *** while I'm asleep?

Fuzzzy 09-01-2014 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Youngwolf34 (Post 2948925)
You know what I been wondering about, lets say I take a nap in my Z during lunch hour. And I turn off the engine and lock my doors with the FOBgina. inside the car. Can someone from outside unlock my door by pressing the button below the door handle ,since the Fobgina is in the car? And rob my *** while I'm asleep?
Can't you persuade your boss or a co-worker to assist you with an experiment?

Minhtin 09-01-2014 05:08 PM
I remembered when I had to roll down the windows by hand!! Crazy convenience technology.

LennyK 06-04-2015 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 230865)
Never mind, I figured it out. Apparently the 2 conductor wire inside the console is an antenna. Had that unplugged from an install I did earlier this week.

Plugged it back in and now it works like before. :p
Hi Kenchan

I seem to be having the same problem "No Key" (I didn't do any installs)

Could you PLEASE Show or Explain what got UNPLUGGED inside the Console - So I Can Check It and Plug It Back IN...:bowrofl:

KrazyD 06-05-2015 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by LennyK (Post 3219148)
Hi Kenchan

I seem to be having the same problem "No Key" (I didn't do any installs)

Could you PLEASE Show or Explain what got UNPLUGGED inside the Console - So I Can Check It and Plug It Back IN...:bowrofl:
If you haven't done any installs recently, you may want to swap the battery in the key fob first to see if that solves it.

KrazyD 06-05-2015 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by LennyK (Post 3219148)
Hi Kenchan

I seem to be having the same problem "No Key" (I didn't do any installs)

Could you PLEASE Show or Explain what got UNPLUGGED inside the Console - So I Can Check It and Plug It Back IN...:bowrofl:
If the battery doesn't solve the fob issue, one of the key fob antennas is located under the center console. Google part "285E5-JK60A" and you'll see a picture of it. Shouldn't be in a place where it can get knocked loose, but stranger things have happened. Good luck and let us know how it goes!

LennyK 06-07-2015 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by KrazyD (Post 3220093)
If you haven't done any installs recently, you may want to swap the battery in the key fob first to see if that solves it.
I did the "New" Battery swap in the FOB & still had the "No Key" & "Blinking" Port Lights...
(the "New" battery was from some drug store) - anyway
Got Another "New" Battery at Walmart - put it in / Problem Solved
(moral of the story - not every "New" Battery is a GOOD Battery!)

:icon17: Im so Glad, :icon17: Im so Glad, :icon17: Im Glad :icon17: Im Glad :icon17: Im Glad :icon17:

kenchan 06-07-2015 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by LennyK (Post 3219148)
Hi Kenchan

I seem to be having the same problem "No Key" (I didn't do any installs)

Could you PLEASE Show or Explain what got UNPLUGGED inside the Console - So I Can Check It and Plug It Back IN...:bowrofl:
there's an antenna inside the center console for the intelligent key. if that gets undone, it can throw the error icon.
u'll have to pull up the center console to see it.

birdman71 06-08-2015 05:32 PM
The unlock I have not encountered.. Although there have been multiple times where I have had my car unlocked and stood by it for about 3-5 minutes and depending on how far my key gets away from the car the doors will automatically lock; therefore you can't ever forget to lock your car.
Now if someone gets in your car and takes off within that 3-5 minutes you are gone from your car (and not testing like myself) then well.. you are SOL.


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