Dumb question number 5
 

If you do not race and just a normal driver who occasionally hits 120 mph on wide safe highways, and you a looking for a cool looking car, love the looks of a 370z,

1. Why pay for a Nismo?
2. Why buy a 2014 when a 2010 looks the same anyway? I doubt the average person could tell the difference.
3. Would not a touring model with 40k mikes from 2010-2013 be a less expensive and better option than a 2014 base middle?

2012 and up I believe have the stock oil cooler you will surely need unless u wanna add one. Also the newer Z's have had less oil burning issues. The only other reason to go newer is a back up camera came with nav package which I personally couldn't imagine not having in my Z.

1. Because the driver just has to have the body kit. Of course, with the 2015 Nismos, there are finally a few things added on that justify the price.

2. Because the driver wants an unmolested, clean, low miles car.

3. Probably, but still, some people do not want to start with someone else's 40k toy.

I'm sure I could have found an earlier model of my car for less money, but I had other reasons to seek out a newer revision. Do I regret it, not at all.

I missed out on question #4.

Because I can.

If you look around hard enough you can find little gems like mine. '09 Touring w/sport, got her with 14k on the odometer and right about 20k on the price tag. clean and pretty much brand new. still has the new leather smell. so to answer the question, if you're not looking to pay 40k on a new one, look around long and hard for an 09/10 with low miles. you'll find some good deals out there i think.

honestly as far as the nismo goes, i'd rather pick my own body kit and do all the little mods myself.

i dont think the 10k price increase for a nismo is worth it, in my opinion.

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Is it possible we could be just doing odd number "dumb questions" in this universe.

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that's still waaay too many. :mad:

who if caught will occasionally go to jail for manslaughter.

0. Keep that $hit on the track please :tiphat:
1. Body kit... as mentioned, the 2015 has other reasons as well.
2. They don't look the same. I don't care if anyone else notices; I notice.
3. Sports cars tend to get abused by people that don't take care of them. I almost bought a used 2009 with low miles, but ended up much happier with a new 2011.

If you love the nismo kit get a nismo. It's more expensive to convert it properly than just buy one

Do not be afraid of used. Plenty of well maintained Zs even on this forum.

Nav/camera is ovverated with all the aftermarket options available. So unless you love leather , it's not worth the premium. I would go with the sport package tho. I ended up getting a monster deal on a low mileage 2011 base, so I'll upgrade the brakes at some point

1. You want a NISMO
2. They don't look the same
3. Maybe

If you want the NISMO and you can afford it, buy the NISMO, otherwise, buy something else.

If you want the extra creature comforts, go for the Touring, otherwise don't.

Personally, I wouldn't buy a used sports car, but maybe you would.

I just picked my 2012 Nismo up for 29k with 19,400 mile on it. I like to buy a car 1-2 years old still within the factory warranty for a heck of price reduction. To each his own. New Nismo's are nice, but I won't pay that price for them.

Cut and paste of a reply I've made before: I'm of the mind that you're right... dollar for dollar, getting non-NISMO parts can offer more value in actual performance. However NISMO is a brand name of sorts. Dollar for dollar, you can get a better performing PC or phone for the price you pay for an Apple... but there's a certain allure of having an Apple in certain social circles. That's the kind of effect NISMO wants to have. So the price is for somewhat better performance... but more for just having that authentic badge.


Because YOU know the difference. You're not getting your car for the average person: you're getting it for yourself. If YOU feel the extras in a 2014 outweigh getting a 2010, then get the 2014. If not, then get the 2010.


Yea, but it would be a used car. I don't like used cars. It's a personal thing, and I know there are tons of great reasons why used cars are better, but I'm not one of those people. It's my car: I want it new. Every nick, every wash, every blemish, every wax, every broken part... I want to be the one who does it. I want my car's history to be a clean canvas that I paint upon. There's just a certain feeling I get from being the person who does this: that she's my car and I know every possible detail without fail or question. If the car has some weird quirk, I know what it is, because I either broke it or fixed it that way.

The Nismo is dead to me.















Just kidding, I don't really care either way.

"surely need"? Wow, wonder how I've managed to not need one in my '09 for all these years? ;)

True, but I would imagine that almost all of the Z's with the oil burning issue have had their engines replaced under warranty.

I have neither the nav package (which is totally overpriced, IMO) nor a back up camera in my '09, and I don't feel deprived (depraved sometimes, but not deprived :))...

You feel better justifying your own purchase VCuomo.... If you live in a place like Texas an oil cooler isn't really optional.

I've got 55K miles on my DD in Austin, and she's running strong. It's a 2011 so it doesn't even have the crappy stock cooler. I've driven it over 900 miles to West Texas and back on a hot summer day before - she does great cruising at 85 mph. The car does just fine as long as you don't beat on it for too long. If you want to do that or want to autox or track your Z, you need an oil cooler. Otherwise, I'm not convinced.

my 09 has no oil cooler. and i still haven't reached anywhere near 260 near limp.

hell, ive not even reached 240 on a 95-100F day driving it pretty spiritedly...

does the 12+ oil cooler rely on coolant/radiator to cool the oil? :ugh:

yeah... it's totally worthless

I've hit pretty high temps at COTA. After two consecutive three lap sessions in the Texas sun last June, I was near 280F according to the gauge. I sat out the last session, and she got a fresh oil change a few days later. Nothing surprising except that I got a full 6 laps in at about 95% full speed before the heat shut me down. Nissan provided their own cars to drive as well, so I had plenty more track time that day.

Dumb question number 5
 

Sure it "can" be done but if you live in a hot place and you do wanna drive the car hard it's good info to know there is a stock option that certainly doesn't hurt. I was under the impression the oil temp issue's on the earlier cars were much worse so it's good to here that you guys have had no issues.

Well, no, it really isn't.

First it's also an oil heater, so it helps your oil get up to operating temp quicker.

Second, it does keep the oil temp down for some time. On my '14, spirited driving on a hot day, the car still stays pretty close to 220 and even if it gets above it (which takes some work) it comes right back down. I got my '11 up over 240 just cruising in 5th at 70 mph many times.

In terms of an actual track day though, you are right, it is absolutely not up to the task of keeping the oil cool while tracking the car for an extended period, though it will stay cool longer than no oil cooler at all.

fair 'nuff :tiphat:

I have YET to be passed / lapped by a Nismo on the track. (N/A that is)

Don't see the "value" in lap times. :driving:

Where DO you see the value then?

1 - Because of the body kit and other subtle increases in HP
2 - 09-12 look the same (they changed the front bumper in 13 I believe)
3 - I bought a used and it was way cheaper and only had 5k miles on it, so all you have to do is research...thats only if you want to do the work, if not, then go new

Depends what you're getting, i got a base with sport package for 31 out the door. the nismo was about 42 out the door, in 11k difference i can upgrade my base to be way superior to the nismo. like stated earlier, nismo is just sort of a brand name. 18hp and different style bumpers is not worth the 11k difference.

I'm not "justifying" anything (and don't really feel better either :)). Just pointing out that the OP does not necessarily "surely" need an oil cooler. And the OP is in Missouri, not Texas.

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I have only gotten to 230 several times in stop and go traffic. Not ideal but appears to be better than guys without the stock oil cooler they started putting on 2012 models.

1. If you really want the look and the prestige, go for it. It does add a little bit to the car, though arguably it doesn't mean as much if you intend to mod it all out anyway, but the serial number could give a warm fuzzy feeling, or at least something to talk/brag about with friends.

2. It's new(er), and there are some differences, albeit minor. The average person might not tell the difference, but the average Z owner most likely could. I bought an older one because it's what I could afford (yeah, I know, I'm poor). There are pros and cons to buying new vs. used, but there isn't any point in getting into those now. Mine was purchased already slightly modded, which was risky I know, but so far has proven to be safe and reliable. Which goes to show that not all used vehicles are trashed before they are sold.

3. Depends on how much someone really wants the nicer options. Again, one can arguably use aftermarket parts to achieve the same or better equipment level for cheaper, but then again, it will not really be a "numbers matching" kind of car, which turns some people off. At this point, it basically becomes the same answer as question 2.

At the end of the day, the newer car will be worth more in terms of resale, but much farther down the road, when these cars possibly become collector's items, the better option packages might be worth more. This is all speculation, but when looking at classic cars now, and how rare option package vehicles generally go for more at auction, one could assume that it will pay off in the end. Question is, are you really willing to wait that long?

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i think that would make it Dumb Question Number 5, 6, and 7

fixed!

Only odd number questions please.

I'm fairly certain my personal dumb question count exceeded 5 the first day I began to form full sentences. Being a late bloomer, this did not occur until I was in my 30's. I recall a few of the first few dumb questions...

What color is red?
Why is that woman angry with me?
What's the difference between a duck?
Since I apologized to that woman, why is she even angrier with me now?
Is this scotch or bourbon?

Happy to contribute meaningfully to the thread! :rolleyes:

Anything to help out

So actually, in this universe it would be 9 questions. Your post has been fixed to meet the requirment that only odd numbers may be used.

All ya'all gettin' tired of this yet?