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JARblue 07-28-2014 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by aszyd (Post 2910624)
That's what I mean. Redline first and second, then do quick shifts up to sixth, that way no gears are skipped.

Ahh... gotcha. Just as fun then :tup: :icon17:

I guess I just skip to keep the wear off the clutch rather than running through gears 3-5. With SRM on, I just hover over the 6th gear gate until the RPMs drop before I engage the gear - I think this is less wear on the clutch system than running through the gears quickly. Most people probably do this so infrequently that it doesn't really matter which method they use :twocents:

victorofhavoc 07-28-2014 04:53 PM

I've had my 2014 for exactly a week now and i read what the manual said just out of curiosity, haha. For the sake of the clutch, if you don't use gas getting into first you'll save a lot of miles on the thing, and it helps nourish clutch working skill because going up an incline with just clutch and no gas in traffic is a toughie!

cooltoy 07-28-2014 05:27 PM

Does that give you a smooth shift from 1st to 2nd?

MagmaRed370z 07-28-2014 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cooltoy (Post 2911407)
Does that give you a smooth shift from 1st to 2nd?

I don't think there's any smoothness from 1st to 2nd. Nature of the Z tranny.

cooltoy 07-28-2014 07:32 PM

I though it was me.

JARblue 07-28-2014 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by schellingr (Post 2911410)
I don't think there's any smoothness from 1st to 2nd. Nature of the Z tranny.

Wrong :shakes head:

It is possible. It just takes practice and a little patience during the shift maneuver :driving:

onzedge 07-28-2014 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by schellingr (Post 2911410)
I don't think there's any smoothness from 1st to 2nd. Nature of the Z tranny.

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 2911547)
Wrong :shakes head:

It is possible. It just takes practice and a little patience during the shift maneuver :driving:

Swap your trans oil to Redline MT 85 as a start. It greatly improves smoothness, especially when cold.

The RJM clutch pedal upgrade is also a big help.

That said, even when stock I had no problems with shifting. I think the reason is that I know how to drive a manual transmission-equipped car. My wife drives a 6MT Juke also -- just for reference.

JARblue 07-28-2014 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 2911554)
Swap your trans oil to Redline MT 85 as a start. It greatly improves smoothness, especially when cold.

I put in Redline MT-85 almost from the start and have very little experience with OEM fluid to compare. But I would listen to anything serious this man has to say :tiphat:

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Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 2911554)
The RJM clutch pedal upgrade is also a big help.

:iagree: Best mod available under $300. Tremendous improvement. And I had no troubles with the stock clutch either.

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Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 2911554)
That said, even when stock I had no problems with shifting. I think the reason is that I know how to drive a manual transmission-equipped car. My wife drives a 6MT Juke also -- just for reference.

:iagree: and for additional reference, we originally purchased the Z for my wife as her daily driver. We got her an AT when she changed jobs and her daily commute went from 15 min of open road to 45 min of snarling traffic all the way across town. She rarely drives the Z now, but when she does it just takes a few 1-2 shifts before she's back in the groove.

I will also add that a tune will improve throttle response and is a very noticeable improvement over the stock map. Better throttle response is a big help in mechanics of operating a manual transmission IMO.

onzedge 07-28-2014 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 2911615)
I put in Redline MT-85 almost from the start and have very little experience with OEM fluid to compare. But I would listen to anything serious this man has to say :tiphat:



:iagree: Best mod available under $300. Tremendous improvement. And I had no troubles with the stock clutch either.



:iagree: and for additional reference, we originally purchased the Z for my wife as her daily driver. We got her an AT when she changed jobs and her daily commute went from 15 min of open road to 45 min of snarling traffic all the way across town. She rarely drives the Z now, but when she does it just takes a few 1-2 shifts before she's back in the groove.

I will also add that a tune will improve throttle response and is a very noticeable improvement over the stock map. Better throttle response is a big help in mechanics of operating a manual transmission IMO.

Thanks, man. You, and everyone, should also listen to the non-serious stuff too. :icon17:

JARblue 07-28-2014 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 2911649)
Thanks, man. You, and everyone, should also listen to the non-serious stuff too. :icon17:

Well I read and enjoy it for sure :tup: But I would never do many of the non-serious things you suggest :rofl2:

onzedge 07-28-2014 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 2911654)
Well I read and enjoy it for sure :tup: But I would never do many of the non-serious things you suggest :rofl2:

:tiphat: :icon17: :tiphat:

victorofhavoc 09-24-2014 02:21 PM

just an fyi to anyone that might be looking around at this thread.

last night I went to play around with what would make the smoothest shift from 1st to 2nd and I discovered if you start pulling the shifter as you begin pressing the clutch (so you disengage before the clutch fully disengages) then you shift into 2nd as you release the clutch and give gas a little earlier you'll get a perfectly smooth shift as if it's an auto. If done correctly this will all be one single smooth motion and you'll have a smoother shift than most automatic transmissions.

the real key is to slip the clutch for a little longer than you would in other types of MT cars.

oh, and I've found the smoothest city driving shifts (besides just not using gas at all and idling all the way to 6th) is around the 2200 to 2500 range...

mishuko 09-24-2014 02:28 PM

2.2-2.5? Redline only.
J/K

I do notice from 3ish it's a bit funky. under 3 or over 4 seems to work well for me. I used to go to 5.5 and it was hellasmooth for mebut it's not something you want to do on a colder engine.

here's the weird part... My shifts n-1, 1-2 are smooth but now my 2-3 are jerky. 3-4 , 4-5, 5-6 are smooth too. amateur hour :(

victorofhavoc 09-25-2014 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mishuko (Post 2977159)
2.2-2.5? Redline only.
J/K

I do notice from 3ish it's a bit funky. under 3 or over 4 seems to work well for me. I used to go to 5.5 and it was hellasmooth for mebut it's not something you want to do on a colder engine.

here's the weird part... My shifts n-1, 1-2 are smooth but now my 2-3 are jerky. 3-4 , 4-5, 5-6 are smooth too. amateur hour :(

haha, my gf experiences the same thing in my car when she tries to drive it...

try pushing the shifter out of 2nd immediately before you press the clutch (i promise this is very easy and safe on the engine, just don't have your foot on the gas) and then as you're depressing the clutch the last bit slide it into 3rd, add gas, then take about a half second to let off the clutch...


it's weird how every manual trans has some sort of finicky nature between each gear compared to one another...

kenchan 09-25-2014 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by victorofhavoc (Post 2978586)
haha, my gf experiences the same thing in my car when she tries to drive it...

try pushing the shifter out of 2nd immediately before you press the clutch (i promise this is very easy and safe on the engine, just don't have your foot on the gas) and then as you're depressing the clutch the last bit slide it into 3rd, add gas, then take about a half second to let off the clutch...

it's weird how every manual trans has some sort of finicky nature between each gear compared to one another...


hint: there's no immediate or quick movements for driving the Z or any MT car smoothly. if you're doing any fast movements, you're doing it wrong.

hint2: wear the same shoes, use the same seating position for newbs.

hint3: listen to the car, become part of the car.

JARblue 09-25-2014 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2978590)
hint: there's no immediate or quick movements for driving the Z or any MT car smoothly. if you're doing any fast movements, you're doing it wrong.

hint2: wear the same shoes, use the same seating position for newbs.

hint3: listen to the car, become part of the car.

:iagree: Slower is smoother if done properly :driving:

Fast shifts are fine when you're redlining every gear at the track. Otherwise, it's just clutch in, shift, clutch out. Don't overlap those motions, and be patient. Each shift is different. 1-2 requires the most finesse and patience. But even 3-4 can clunk if you let out the clutch too soon. If you have SRM, use this and practice Kenchan hint #3.

Codename067 09-27-2014 07:58 PM

Do you even shift bro?

Justice97 09-28-2014 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Chejuan (Post 2888392)
Cruising around I shift at 3-4k. Having fun with semi-spirited I shift at 5-6k. Pushing it I shift at as close to the redline as I can get. If I am driving for economy I shift at 2k. It's all good.

During break-in I set the indicator at 4k and made sure to shift before then, but after that the engine will take whatever you throw at it.:driving:

All this time I thought I was a spirited. No...I am semi-spirited. I guess I may never go full spirit again.

I really don't like to take her beyond "semi-spirited"

Remember this, driving a stick is about mood.
Sometimes slow and low, sometimes hard and high.

And sometimes at 3k.

KittenMittens 09-28-2014 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Justice97 (Post 2980999)
All this time I thought I was a spirited. No...I am semi-spirited. I guess I may never go full spirit again.

I really don't like to take her beyond "semi-spirited"

Remember this, driving a stick is about mood.
Sometimes slow and low, sometimes hard and high.


And sometimes at 3k.


Nicely put. Most days I just want to cruise and sometimes....

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victorofhavoc 09-29-2014 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 2978650)
:iagree: Slower is smoother if done properly :driving:

Fast shifts are fine when you're redlining every gear at the track. Otherwise, it's just clutch in, shift, clutch out. Don't overlap those motions, and be patient. Each shift is different. 1-2 requires the most finesse and patience. But even 3-4 can clunk if you let out the clutch too soon. If you have SRM, use this and practice Kenchan hint #3.

I agree for the most part. However, this being my 7th MT car of yet again a different make, I've learned that some cars like some motions to be overlapped (and that's mostly due to how to pedal engages). I'm not sure about everyone else's Z but mine has the clutch engagement way too high up and past halfway it's all dead zone. I just start releasing in the dead zone when I'm sliding the lever into the next gear. Allows for a very smooth mesh every time.

but yes, definitely slow is smooth. Clutches are meant to be slipped for a reason. Coming from a subaru I can say that clutches will always be cheaper than broken teeth on transmissions...


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