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Puffo 06-23-2014 03:58 PM

Some questions about 370z before buy
 
Hi guys!

I need help to solve some questions that I ve on 370z before buy it :)

-Is the stock suspensions full adjustable? I mean toe, camber, caster (no height, stiffness etc).. or I need to buy coilovers and various stuffs

-I usually use manual transmissions, but I'm interesting on sequential/automatic for the 370z.. but is it reliable? Require special maintenance? If I want to improve the engine a little serious (like turbo) in the future, is better manual or even the 7A would be fine?

-Can I turn off the traction/stability controll?

-There are some known problems that is better to consider if I buy a used car?


Thanks u, and sorry for bad English skill ;(

JARblue 06-23-2014 04:10 PM

These are all answers that can be found quite easily by searching :tiphat:

1. Dunno what you mean by fully adjustable. I'm sure you can do some level of adjustment with OEM. If you want to do full suspension tuning, you will need aftermarket parts.

2. The AT is actually better than the MT for the Z. It is supposedly maintenance-free. The AT transmission is definitely one of your biggest limiting factors when going FI.

3. Yes and no. You can turn off the TCS using the button on the dashboard. This does not deactivate other anti-slip features such as ABLS.

4. You're always going to be risking something when you buy a sports car used. Hopefully you can find one with one previous owner that garaged it and didn't drive it hard.

madwi 06-23-2014 05:09 PM

I understand the allure of FI but please take a lot of time reading this section if you decide to go that route. It is very involved and can be costly. The more information that you can take in the better.
Forced Induction - Nissan 370Z Forum

Known problems would depend on year. Some older 09-11 did not have oil coolers, possible steering wheel lock and for everyone the CSC.
Start looking around in the various sections and if you are having trouble searching try going to google and searching like the following:
site:the370z.com Enter search criteria here

VCuomo 06-23-2014 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madwi (Post 2870653)
I understand the allure of FI but please take a lot of time reading this section if you decide to go that route. It is very involved and can be costly. The more information that you can take in the better.
Forced Induction - Nissan 370Z Forum...

:iagree:

Quote:

Originally Posted by madwi (Post 2870653)
...Known problems would depend on year. Some older 09-11 did not have oil coolers, ...

For most 370Z owners this probably doesn't matter, since it depends on how you drive the car and in what ambient temperature you drive. I've owned my '09 since May of '09 and have never had an issue with oil temp because I don't drive in hot ambient conditions and I don't track the car.

Quote:

Originally Posted by madwi (Post 2870653)
... possible steering wheel lock ...

Pull the fuse, problem solved.

Quote:

Originally Posted by madwi (Post 2870653)
... and for everyone the CSC. ...

This isn't a problem "for everyone", just 6MT owners.

madwi 06-23-2014 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VCuomo (Post 2870723)
:iagree:

For most 370Z owners this probably doesn't matter, since it depends on how you drive the car and in what ambient temperature you drive. I've owned my '09 since May of '09 and have never had an issue with oil temp because I don't drive in hot ambient conditions and I don't track the car.

Pull the fuse, problem solved.

This isn't a problem "for everyone", just 6MT owners.


:iagree: :hello:

UNKNOWN_370 06-24-2014 08:31 AM

The AT is a champ. Best slushbox you can buy... Period. This slushbox is actually slush free

jpkirk 06-24-2014 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2871962)
The AT is a champ. Best slushbox you can buy... Period. This slushbox is actually slush free

Rumor has it that if you intend to do drag racing, the AT will not last long. But, drag racing is hard on everything. Other than that, the rumor also has it that it is a standard 7sp AT that shifts very well. I can only say rumor as I have a 6MT. Lots of info on the forum. Do a search.

Rumor also has it that you would be better off to use a google search using something like

site:the370z.com automatic transmission

Hope this helps, and buy one. These cars are more fun than ... well just about anything.

Puffo 06-24-2014 04:05 PM

Sorry for the "search skill" xD but I lost myself in the forum (very "big", full of infos).. so many 3D, so many shortform, etc.. I read a lot, and for a lot of questions I found the answers, but not always I'm sure of that ;(


-On my miata I done a lot on suspensions with aftermarket parts.. It's is "perfect" for me.. but anyway, with OEM parts is possibile to adjust toe/camber/caster front/rear.. I don't understand why Nissan don't want a adjust of camber on front wheels, is so important.. :( but no problems, I start with suspension tuning and it' s okay ;)

-Is a far interest in FI, but I only want to know if AT is a real limit or not.. I read and the high cost is the same problem that stop me to do it with miata (a 300hp miata is very nice, but I ve to double the value of the car...!).. however I go to dedicate topic and read more ;)

-Ok

-I read of oil cooler (If i see high temp I buy and aftermarket one) and the steering wheel lock (I found there is mod to a brown cable that is better that pull out the fuse, no check lights).. but "and for everyone the CSC".. I don't understand what is "CSC" (and no result if a use the search box..)

Thanks ;)

JARblue 06-24-2014 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Puffo (Post 2872660)
I don't understand what is "CSC" (and no result if a use the search box..)

CSC = Concentric Slave Cylinder. It is a part of the MT that is prone to failure. It especially cannot handle hard launches or the higher hp/torque in FI vehicles. Also, the Clutch Master Cylinder (CMC) seems to be another weak point in the clutch system.

wanker 06-24-2014 05:50 PM

The automatic transmissions work great and are durable. The early model manual transmission had some warrant issues, but only if driven hard (okay maybe abused).

The stock suspension is great and there is no need to adjust it unless you want to lower your car or track it.

In Italy, I doubt you'll need an oil cooler unless you track your car. Also the new model Z's now come with an oil cooler.

DavidZ370 06-24-2014 06:02 PM

Save money for a quality paint job.

totopo 06-24-2014 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puffo (Post 2872660)
Sorry for the "search skill" xD but I lost myself in the forum (very "big", full of infos).. so many 3D, so many shortform, etc.. I read a lot, and for a lot of questions I found the answers, but not always I'm sure of that ;(


-On my miata I done a lot on suspensions with aftermarket parts.. It's is "perfect" for me.. but anyway, with OEM parts is possibile to adjust toe/camber/caster front/rear.. I don't understand why Nissan don't want a adjust of camber on front wheels, is so important.. :( but no problems, I start with suspension tuning and it' s okay ;)

-Is a far interest in FI, but I only want to know if AT is a real limit or not.. I read and the high cost is the same problem that stop me to do it with miata (a 300hp miata is very nice, but I ve to double the value of the car...!).. however I go to dedicate topic and read more ;)

-Ok

-I read of oil cooler (If i see high temp I buy and aftermarket one) and the steering wheel lock (I found there is mod to a brown cable that is better that pull out the fuse, no check lights).. but "and for everyone the CSC".. I don't understand what is "CSC" (and no result if a use the search box..)

Thanks ;)

Wow, the stock miata has adjustable front camber? I wouldn't expect it, that's pretty awesome. The z and most cars with double a suspensions don't have adjustable camber because it requires a special top arm with adjustable joint at the top, which is a possible failure point in a production car. Most cars these days have macphearson struts for front suspension, which are easy to camber adjust. So I think the z has adjustable front toe, and the rear has adjustable toe and camber stock, and that's it. I really doubt the miata has adjustable caster stock... it would have to have a really sophisticated front double a with a lot of shims or something. Doesn't it have double a arm front? Caster is also easy to adjust for a macphearson strut.

Puffo 06-26-2014 01:50 PM

I found this on Welcome to Roadster-NC.com (very usefull for me)

This is true for the mx-5 NC (2006+), but I supposed is the same with the NA / NB model too (chassis is very good on miata, with low weight, and few but fun horsepower)

Quote:

The front suspension is a double wishbone design similar to that used previously. The wishbones are now slightly longer to give a more linear change to toe, caster, and camber as the wheel moves up and down. Unlike the previous steel wishbones which tended to suffer from rust, the NC's wishbones are made of aluminium. The top wishbone is a semi-solid cast piece and the larger lower wishbone is forged for added strength. A hollow tube anti-roll bar is used to save weight.

The rear suspension is a totally new multi-link design that allowed the engineers to optimise the geometry. Instead of double wishbones there are now 5 link bars for each rear wheel connecting them to the rear subframe. As with the front end, the link bars are designed long to help with linearity. The rear subframe is made of hydroformed steel and bolted to the body at six points to increase chassis stiffness.

UNKNOWN_370 06-27-2014 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpkirk (Post 2871993)
Rumor has it that if you intend to do drag racing, the AT will not last long. But, drag racing is hard on everything. Other than that, the rumor also has it that it is a standard 7sp AT that shifts very well. I can only say rumor as I have a 6MT. Lots of info on the forum. Do a search.

Rumor also has it that you would be better off to use a google search using something like

site:the370z.com automatic transmission

Hope this helps, and buy one. These cars are more fun than ... well just about anything.

I actually own a 7AT. You're right drag racing anything puts stress on parts including trannies. but I've never heard anyone here say they have problems from drag racing or other aggressive sports yet, including me. also rumor, the auto is .3 seconds faster in a drag race. a well-documented rumor.:tup:

brancky3 06-27-2014 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2876860)
also rumor, the auto is .3 seconds faster in a drag race. a well-documented rumor.:tup:

Have you heard the rumor that the 6MT increases driver satisfaction by 37%? :happydance:

jpkirk 06-27-2014 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brancky3 (Post 2876862)
Have you heard the rumor that the 6MT increases driver satisfaction by 37%? :happydance:

because ... slower?

Redglare 06-27-2014 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpkirk (Post 2877013)
because ... slower?

http://global3.memecdn.com/Manual-An...on_o_92025.jpg

Puffo 06-27-2014 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by totopo (Post 2873037)
Wow, the stock miata has adjustable front camber? I wouldn't expect it, that's pretty awesome. The z and most cars with double a suspensions don't have adjustable camber because it requires a special top arm with adjustable joint at the top, which is a possible failure point in a production car. Most cars these days have macphearson struts for front suspension, which are easy to camber adjust. So I think the z has adjustable front toe, and the rear has adjustable toe and camber stock, and that's it. I really doubt the miata has adjustable caster stock... it would have to have a really sophisticated front double a with a lot of shims or something. Doesn't it have double a arm front? Caster is also easy to adjust for a macphearson strut.

I send a complete reaply yesterday but maybe there was some problem...
anyway, the front suspension is a double wishbone design, the rear is multi-link.. fully adjustable in toe/camber/caster.. I think is one of the better chassies on a "low cost" car.. we paid it with less horsepower, but more funny :D

If you want I send a PM with a link with technical informations..

jpkirk 06-27-2014 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2876860)
I actually own a 7AT. You're right drag racing anything puts stress on parts including trannies. but I've never heard anyone here say they have problems from drag racing or other aggressive sports yet, including me. also rumor, the auto is .3 seconds faster in a drag race. a well-documented rumor.:tup:

I agree with all you have said. The rumor was started here.

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...ml#post2870301 oh ... and here
http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-p...let-proof.html

Could have been a one off. I almost bought the AT but decided I wanted the inconvenience of having to use my left foot and pull my hand from the steering wheel to shift so that I could avoid the evil glares from all the burly old school sports car curmudgeons. I resemble that remark, as did my Jag XK150 driving dad and all his Austin Healy (3000), Jag (early E type) driving friends, and my brother in his 944 and ... oh my god, I have gone on too long haven’t I?

The second link has some interesting posts regarding how to solve what issues there may be, with great success I might add. The MT was a choice. I like it. But the AT would have been just as much fun I think.

jpkirk 06-27-2014 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redglare (Post 2877020)

Maybe.

There is an article in one of the recent R&T or C&D that talks about this a little. They quoted a current Air Force Fighter Jock about the comparison of the old manual throttle, mixture etc. of flying the old war birds compared to the automation in the current crop of mach 2 hair on fire jets. The difference comes down to how much is being taken in at the acceleration to speed and events along the way now in comparison to then. Very different. This was in relation to the current crop of super/hyper cars and why manuals have disappeared in them. High end race cars that turn both left and right are starting to lose the manual clutch system. It is the way of it.

VCuomo 06-27-2014 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redglare (Post 2877020)

"Feelings, whoa whoa whoa, feelings, whoa whoa whoa..." :)

I'm sure that most of the "old guys" here, like me, will avoid clicking on this video - you've been warned, but for those of you who don't know what I'm referring to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC3JFVKJtyM

Now how do you feel? :D

UNKNOWN_370 06-28-2014 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brancky3 (Post 2876862)
Have you heard the rumor that the 6MT increases driver satisfaction by 37%? :happydance:

Yeah, but only for guys who need there hand constantly on a shaft... Oops I mean shift. Lol.

Davey 06-28-2014 02:45 PM

I thought about buying an automatic Z a few times, but I never did and I'm glad. The stick shift is just part of the sports car experience IMO.

True, many newer high-end sporty cars have one or another of a variety of automated shifting transmissions, but the Z automatic isn't some lightning-fast sequential box, it's just a decent automatic transmission. If you don't want a stick then there is nothing wrong with that, but if you want a manual transmission, you'll still want a manual transmission after buying the automatic.

UNKNOWN_370 06-28-2014 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpkirk (Post 2877054)
I agree with all you have said. The rumor was started here.

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...ml#post2870301 oh ... and here
http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-p...let-proof.html

Could have been a one off. I almost bought the AT but decided I wanted the inconvenience of having to use my left foot and pull my hand from the steering wheel to shift so that I could avoid the evil glares from all the burly old school sports car curmudgeons. I resemble that remark, as did my Jag XK150 driving dad and all his Austin Healy (3000), Jag (early E type) driving friends, and my brother in his 944 and ... oh my god, I have gone on too long haven’t I?

The second link has some interesting posts regarding how to solve what issues there may be, with great success I might add. The MT was a choice. I like it. But the AT would have been just as much fun I think.

All I read was a guy who tracked the auto without the mandatory track mod for the automatic. A transmission cooler and another guy with a undetermined tranny issue. I can pull multiple issues on manuals.

As stated, it's all rumor. My tranny is bulletproof but I have all the cooler mods as they were most important, then my eibach sways were done, then my stoptech pads rotors and lines were done. This made my car track ready. Then suspension mods made it a better performer. For power I don't have much. Filters w/silicone tubes and a straight pipe on the exhaust. With that alone I'm pretty faster than most stock Z's. You're gonna track? You better prep. Bad examples of tranny issues.

This is turning into a lame azz tranny preference debate. I'm out.:ugh2:


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