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ParkStr8 05-02-2014 01:48 PM

I had a 2011 G37S coupe before my ZRoadster. They are the same platform, but the aesthetics of performance, dynamics and interior are way different. But they were designed for a different demographic - so that makes sense.

Same platform - with minor alterations - Front -Midship. Same engine (tuned slightly differently), Same brakes. Same muffler/exhause with changes. Same basic suspension - again tuned differently.

Nissan did a good job of taking one platform and spreading it across the G, the Z, the EX (yes I had that too and the muffler off a G37S coupe was a direct bolt on). etc.

I love them both for different reasons. What they do with the next Z will greatly depend on the demand of the consumer and that the demand will vet the investment. With our low sales - this is a secondary halo car that does could not in most business cases justify it's own platform.

Hopefully they will take consumer feedback, and throw in some Nissan tuning to elevate the concept in the right direction.

We're not hearing anything because - as i work for billion dollar companies- they are doing their research.

kenchan 05-02-2014 01:49 PM

my g's total length 182in
my z's total length 167in

no wonder my z looks so tiny next to my g in my garage. :D shorter by a large pizza.

Jordo! 05-02-2014 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daisuke149 (Post 2804421)
I just feel a 100lb weight drop and 30hp isnt enough to compete.

Mustang Gt, Camaro ss, 1le, etc. priced well / better in most cases and kick our cars butts in performance.

It needs to push 400+

I dont just want a good car, i want a good car that competes.

There's continual rumors of a boosted option, so there might be one approaching (or even exceeding) 400 bhp, but it will probably be an option that pushes the price up towards 40+K...

I don't know what those big hp muscle cars go for, but if that's the price point, Nissan will probably just pass it with similar performance (regardless of pure engine output) rather than just come under it.

I mean, never say never, but I just don't see (nor has there been discussion of in a while) a completely new Z platform, entirely divorced from the Q chassis and drivetrain, happening within a year.

But, they could further improve the cd, making it more slippery, give it a modest bump in power, improve the overall tune, and shed a lot of weight, resulting in a vastly refined sports car without developing something entirely new.

In the end, their probable goal will first and foremost be to exceed the performance metrics (e.g. 0-60, braking) of the current Z -- they may or may not worry about fighting the higher end versions of Detroit muscle.

And, really, if they can keep the car in the 30's and outpace the twins, it will still be the better deal there while a suped up idX can pick up the folks with less coin to throw around who want a pocket-rocket.

daisuke149 05-02-2014 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 2804559)
There's continual rumors of a boosted option, so there might be one approaching (or even exceeding) 400 bhp, but it will probably be an option that pushes the price up towards 40+K...

I don't know what those big hp muscle cars go for, but if that's the price point, Nissan will probably just pass it with similar performance (regardless of pure engine output) rather than just come under it.

I mean, never say never, but I just don't see (nor has there been discussion of in a while) a completely new Z platform, entirely divorced from the Q chassis and drivetrain, happening within a year.

But, they could further improve the cd, making it more slippery, give it a modest bump in power, improve the overall tune, and shed a lot of weight, resulting in a vastly refined sports car without developing something entirely new.

In the end, their probable goal will first and foremost be to exceed the performance metrics (e.g. 0-60, braking) of the current Z -- they may or may not worry about fighting the higher end versions of Detroit muscle.

And, really, if they can keep the car in the 30's and outpace the twins, it will still be the better deal there while a suped up idX can pick up the folks with less coin to throw around who want a pocket-rocket.

the thing is the mustang gt with track pack will out run us for 30k. the nismo costs as much as a boss 302 and 1le which completely out run it.

I understand that the Z is a 2 seaters and in the way it drives, much better. but that doesnt stop it from constantly being compared etc and falling behind competitively.

I would also prefer they just make basically 2 models.

Sport and GT.
all the go fast stuff with no frills = sport
all the go fast stuff with all the frills = gt.

NISMO = more go faster stuff

less configurations = lower cost

because keep in mind a touring + nav + sport is 42k ish. nismo is 42 and can be optioned to i believe 46ish. a fully loaded conv is 48k ish. a new stingray was 51k (now 53k)

like i said. They will definitely make it better than the current model. I just want it to be competitive also in the market. (the cayman, which was the target, with the current revision is quite far ahead of the z34 now)

UNKNOWN_370 05-02-2014 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2801472)
:facepalm:
Really? So if we argue semantics long enough your post turns out to be right? Isn't an upgrade something that makes the car better? So, the oil cooler and suspension doesn't do that?


Oil cooler :tup:
Suspension- I thought the simple spring rate change in 11/12 models was good enough. 13+ Euro-shocks?:ughdance:

UNKNOWN_370 05-02-2014 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daisuke149 (Post 2804573)
the thing is the mustang gt with track pack will out run us for 30k. the nismo costs as much as a boss 302 and 1le which completely out run it.

I understand that the Z is a 2 seaters and in the way it drives, much better. but that doesnt stop it from constantly being compared etc and falling behind competitively.

I would also prefer they just make basically 2 models.

Sport and GT.
all the go fast stuff with no frills = sport
all the go fast stuff with all the frills = gt.

NISMO = more go faster stuff

less configurations = lower cost

because keep in mind a touring + nav + sport is 42k ish. nismo is 42 and can be optioned to i believe 46ish. a fully loaded conv is 48k ish. a new stingray was 51k (now 53k)

like i said. They will definitely make it better than the current model. I just want it to be competitive also in the market. (the cayman, which was the target, with the current revision is quite far ahead of the z34 now)

I feel the Z will put out a Z that will push for a new Cayman/Z battle in R&T and MT.

Limeybastard 05-02-2014 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ParkStr8 (Post 2804503)
I had a 2011 G37S coupe before my ZRoadster. They are the same platform, but the aesthetics of performance, dynamics and interior are way different. But they were designed for a different demographic - so that makes sense.

Same platform - with minor alterations - Front -Midship. Same engine (tuned slightly differently), Same brakes. Same muffler/exhause with changes. Same basic suspension - again tuned differently.

Nissan did a good job of taking one platform and spreading it across the G, the Z, the EX (yes I had that too and the muffler off a G37S coupe was a direct bolt on). etc.

I love them both for different reasons. What they do with the next Z will greatly depend on the demand of the consumer and that the demand will vet the investment. With our low sales - this is a secondary halo car that does could not in most business cases justify it's own platform.

Hopefully they will take consumer feedback, and throw in some Nissan tuning to elevate the concept in the right direction.

We're not hearing anything because - as i work for billion dollar companies- they are doing their research.

I believe Nissan UK ended taking orders on from April for the 370z roadster model.

Driftomodachi 05-02-2014 04:34 PM

Inline 6 twin turbo please

Niche79 05-04-2014 12:16 AM

ill upgrade only if it goes up in power. If it goes down, no reason for me to ever buy it. Newer cars mean faster more powerful to me. Not the other way. The Genesis coupe has like what? 375 hp now? I mean common, if Hyundai can do it, and those Genesis cars are selling good! Then easily Nissan can too! 375 to 380 would be a fair bump to stay competitive. If they say oh were going back to the 280hp region, pfff no thanks.

my2004Z 05-04-2014 09:06 AM

Nissan is leveraging what they call common module family to keep costs down while maximizing number of configurations. Their strategy is to incrementally penetrate every available market. IMO this means only good things for enthusiasts.

imhowie 05-05-2014 10:55 PM

How about a small v8 pushing 420ish hp, and all wheel drive

Chuck33079 05-06-2014 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imhowie (Post 2807752)
How about a small v8 pushing 420ish hp, and all wheel drive

And a unicorn that ***** rainbow sherbet? They're both equally likely. :rofl2:

VCuomo 05-06-2014 03:09 PM

Hmmmm... if they're "studying between those two" that would indicate that the next gen Z is probably at least a couple of model years away. The current gen Z will be a bit long in the tooth by then...

Drakonis GTR 05-06-2014 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imhowie (Post 2807752)
How about a small v8 pushing 420ish hp, and all wheel drive

Been looking at the new Q70 lately have we? Of course thats also a full size car with a $64k price tag.

http://www.infinitiusa.com/sedan/q70/models-specs.html

I think I agree with Jordo. As much as I think that they would love to go in a slightly different direction with the Z moving forward, I don't foresee Nissan coming out with anything like that within the next couple (at least) years. They have already hit the 5 year mark on the 370Z though, so I'm sure that they will be doing something new for us pretty soon.

280z/300zx 05-06-2014 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2807890)
And a unicorn that ***** rainbow sherbet? They're both equally likely. :rofl2:

You just made me laugh so loud at work people are looking at me funny. That was hilarious. Thank you, I needed that


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