You'd be surprised what you'd hear through those bathroom vents.


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The point of my post is to point out Nissan is not treating the Z as an iconic car as they claim based on my observations. Upgrade makes something good better. The Z used to have overheat problems and there are members here who don't race installng after market oil cooler just for daily use. This is far from being good. So, it is more like a fix to me. Just like I don't consider Nissan changing the steering lock as an "upgrade" because a steering lock that works is making the car better.:tiphat:

i agree, im surprised nothing has leaked out. hmmm :confused:

i dont think the Z34 shares its platform with any other car in the nissan line up.
that alone is commitment by nissan to give the Z34 special treatment.

also, i dont have this over heating problem you mentioned. mine is a 09 with no aftermarket oil cooler. never even considered getting one.

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actually if i'm not mistaken, the Z34 shares it's chassis with the G37, maybe someone else with a little more knowledge can shed some light on the subject though

It does. It's virtually the same car. It's a Z 2+2 with a better interior and some sound deadening.

Nissan should mix it up and make the new Z mid-engined. That'll show toyobaru who's boss.

It is not always the case that newer is better. Better can be rather subjective as well ;)

Again I would say better interior is subjective. I prefer the 370z instrument panel much better

YMMV.

I feel (means as much as anything other comments on the subject) Nissan will not have anything to show for on this platform until next year at the earliest.
But then again I think we are all just talking out of our http://www.naxja.org/forum/images/smilies/passgas.gif

So continue to wait we will :drama:

I think there's a lot of room to give the Z35 a more than merely cosmetic refresh while making use of the existing Q60 platform.

They could match it to a direct injection head, offer a boosted option, refine the two trans options further, etc.

The real key, I think, will be whether or not they can shed some weight and add some extra N/A power. If they can drop the next Z by, say, 100 lbs, and bump the output up by 25 lbft of torque and and add 30+ bhp, the weight loss plus extra pull will make it feel like a totally different car out of the box.

Just wondering, but how different is the Q60 from the G37 in weight, handling, etc?

EDIT: Wait, I just looked it up... so other than the IPL version (essentially a Nismo Q60) the differences are just cosmetic??? :icon14:

C&D even reported the same right hander fuel starve -- 'da ****?

I just feel a 100lb weight drop and 30hp isnt enough to compete.

Mustang Gt, Camaro ss, 1le, etc. priced well / better in most cases and kick our cars butts in performance.

It needs to push 400+

I dont just want a good car, i want a good car that competes.

I disagree. Remember the Z is a two seat coupe (or should be in the Z35 as well). i think a sub 3000 pound car with 350hp would do just fine. Look at the Lotus.

I heard that the next-gen GTR is getting a whole new engine spitting out 800hp and the next-gen Z will get a hand-me-down engine from the R35.

The first part is correct at least.

Yea but lotus cars weigh 2400 lbs and are mid-engined cars purposefully built for the track. The Z35 will be no lotus. It wont hurt for the Z to drop a few hundred pounds, but a power boost is expected.

I was wondering if Nissan would try to get the GTR up there HP-wise with the other super-sport exotics. Not to say that the GTR doesn't have the goods to run with the big boys, but the 800 HP mark seems to be the fad with the SSE crowd. I wonder how much higher the price tag will be with that change...

As for the next Z, I am indeed curious as to which direction they go with the engine. I am also curious as to whether they will name it in regards to engine displacement, as per tradition, or if they will go the route of the Q50/Q70 and just tack on a higher number so as to give the car the impression of progressing.

when Nissan puts the same lightweight materials into the chassis and makes it super small and cramped, and sells the car for 70k+

then yes, you would be correct its a great car.

but when you put the Z at 30k. and its competitive 30k cars can whip it around. I want the Z to be a good car and competitive.

g37c wheel base: 112.2in
z34 wheel base: 100.4in

a lot of share bits but the platform is different, i think.

I had a 2011 G37S coupe before my ZRoadster. They are the same platform, but the aesthetics of performance, dynamics and interior are way different. But they were designed for a different demographic - so that makes sense.

Same platform - with minor alterations - Front -Midship. Same engine (tuned slightly differently), Same brakes. Same muffler/exhause with changes. Same basic suspension - again tuned differently.

Nissan did a good job of taking one platform and spreading it across the G, the Z, the EX (yes I had that too and the muffler off a G37S coupe was a direct bolt on). etc.

I love them both for different reasons. What they do with the next Z will greatly depend on the demand of the consumer and that the demand will vet the investment. With our low sales - this is a secondary halo car that does could not in most business cases justify it's own platform.

Hopefully they will take consumer feedback, and throw in some Nissan tuning to elevate the concept in the right direction.

We're not hearing anything because - as i work for billion dollar companies- they are doing their research.

my g's total length 182in
my z's total length 167in

no wonder my z looks so tiny next to my g in my garage. :D shorter by a large pizza.

There's continual rumors of a boosted option, so there might be one approaching (or even exceeding) 400 bhp, but it will probably be an option that pushes the price up towards 40+K...

I don't know what those big hp muscle cars go for, but if that's the price point, Nissan will probably just pass it with similar performance (regardless of pure engine output) rather than just come under it.

I mean, never say never, but I just don't see (nor has there been discussion of in a while) a completely new Z platform, entirely divorced from the Q chassis and drivetrain, happening within a year.

But, they could further improve the cd, making it more slippery, give it a modest bump in power, improve the overall tune, and shed a lot of weight, resulting in a vastly refined sports car without developing something entirely new.

In the end, their probable goal will first and foremost be to exceed the performance metrics (e.g. 0-60, braking) of the current Z -- they may or may not worry about fighting the higher end versions of Detroit muscle.

And, really, if they can keep the car in the 30's and outpace the twins, it will still be the better deal there while a suped up idX can pick up the folks with less coin to throw around who want a pocket-rocket.

the thing is the mustang gt with track pack will out run us for 30k. the nismo costs as much as a boss 302 and 1le which completely out run it.

I understand that the Z is a 2 seaters and in the way it drives, much better. but that doesnt stop it from constantly being compared etc and falling behind competitively.

I would also prefer they just make basically 2 models.

Sport and GT.
all the go fast stuff with no frills = sport
all the go fast stuff with all the frills = gt.

NISMO = more go faster stuff

less configurations = lower cost

because keep in mind a touring + nav + sport is 42k ish. nismo is 42 and can be optioned to i believe 46ish. a fully loaded conv is 48k ish. a new stingray was 51k (now 53k)

like i said. They will definitely make it better than the current model. I just want it to be competitive also in the market. (the cayman, which was the target, with the current revision is quite far ahead of the z34 now)

Oil cooler :tup:
Suspension- I thought the simple spring rate change in 11/12 models was good enough. 13+ Euro-shocks?:ughdance:

I feel the Z will put out a Z that will push for a new Cayman/Z battle in R&T and MT.

I believe Nissan UK ended taking orders on from April for the 370z roadster model.

Inline 6 twin turbo please

ill upgrade only if it goes up in power. If it goes down, no reason for me to ever buy it. Newer cars mean faster more powerful to me. Not the other way. The Genesis coupe has like what? 375 hp now? I mean common, if Hyundai can do it, and those Genesis cars are selling good! Then easily Nissan can too! 375 to 380 would be a fair bump to stay competitive. If they say oh were going back to the 280hp region, pfff no thanks.

Nissan is leveraging what they call common module family to keep costs down while maximizing number of configurations. Their strategy is to incrementally penetrate every available market. IMO this means only good things for enthusiasts.

How about a small v8 pushing 420ish hp, and all wheel drive

And a unicorn that ***** rainbow sherbet? They're both equally likely. :rofl2:

Hmmmm... if they're "studying between those two" that would indicate that the next gen Z is probably at least a couple of model years away. The current gen Z will be a bit long in the tooth by then...

Been looking at the new Q70 lately have we? Of course thats also a full size car with a $64k price tag.

http://www.infinitiusa.com/sedan/q70/models-specs.html

I think I agree with Jordo. As much as I think that they would love to go in a slightly different direction with the Z moving forward, I don't foresee Nissan coming out with anything like that within the next couple (at least) years. They have already hit the 5 year mark on the 370Z though, so I'm sure that they will be doing something new for us pretty soon.

You just made me laugh so loud at work people are looking at me funny. That was hilarious. Thank you, I needed that

wow, the sarcasm... now that's funny. :tup:

Why not a full electric Z? I rode in my friend's Tesla 85....and that thing's a 12-sec rocket.

12 sec of vacuum cleaner sound?

^ I worked for a company that manufactured permanent magnet AC motors, so I'm biased for EVs.

Ride in a Tesla....and I guarantee you'll be impressed. Word of caution though: Torque is scary. It's a flat line from start to finish (on curve), all 460lb.ft. of it.

a small electric motor for torque fill would be cool