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40 to 332 04-18-2014 10:21 PM

Sorry, my mistake … it suggests removing the spark plugs leads, not the plugs themselves … which makes more sense.

kenchan 04-18-2014 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool (Post 2786723)
No, not bad at all. Alternator will recharge those extra few amps it took to start a cold engine it in about 90 seconds. But you already knew that, of course.

yah, that's if your improperly cared for battery has enough cca to start in the cold. by cold im talking sub 0F which is common in snow belt states.

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 2786735)
The output of a chemical battery (not just lead-acid) is dependent on temperature. Put that and the fact that a cold engine is harder to crank together and Winter can "kill" a battery. Add in some age and things just get worse.

:iagree:

kenchan 04-18-2014 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 40 to 332 (Post 2786766)
Sorry, my mistake … it suggests removing the spark plugs leads, not the plugs themselves … which makes more sense.

i suggest just plugging the battery into the wall (while still connected to the car) using a simple battery tender that will float the battery... if there is power available.

as for plug wires, id be more worried about mice. i use dcon under the car just in case. i dont have a mouse problem yet.

MacCool 04-19-2014 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 2786735)
The output of a chemical battery (not just lead-acid) is dependent on temperature. Put that and the fact that a cold engine is harder to crank together and Winter can "kill" a battery. Add in some age and things just get worse.

Nah. Charge/discharge cycles is what hurts a lead-acid battery, not temperature. Especially discharge below 80%. True, extended cranking can discharge it below that, but making it work a little harder for the brief few seconds it takes to start a modern automobile won't hurt it. And although output is temperature dependent, longevity isn't. If it doesn't freeze, and it won't if it's on a float charger, the battery won't be damaged by the cold alone. Especially in storage, which was what we were talking about anyway.

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SouthArk370Z 04-19-2014 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 40 to 332 (Post 2786764)
I was interested in the suggestion marked "Spring Lubrication" that indicated you should crank the engine several times without letting it fire in order to lubricate the bearings, etc. It suggests either first removing the plugs (… a bit of a pain in the a**) or disconnecting the condenser(s) (… also a pain). Is there another simpler way to accomplish the same thing without compromising any electrical components, control modules, etc.? Presumably, you could pull a fuse(s)??? Looking for advice. Thanks!

You can supply power to the coils of the Starter Relay and the Starter Control Relay. Or use a jumper cable to go straight from the battery to the B terminal on the starter then jump from B to S to crank.

DjSquall 04-19-2014 10:34 AM

I guess I should've mentioned that I do have a trickle charger. I usually put it on for the last week of winter storage. So from what I gathered, it would be best to leave it hooked up for te duration of the year. I'm that case, I'll use the old battery (there's nothing actually wrong with it, I'm only mentioning replacement due to it's age)

Also, I won't be doing that whole "pull the plugs and spray a little oil in there" method. That seems a bit of overkill tbh.

Now as far as cranking it over to get the cylinders oiled up - is it really worth the hassle? I wouldn't have a problem disconnecting power to the spark plugs, but my concern is the fuel that will be injected and not burned up. That means I should disconnect the fuel pump too, or cap off the fuel rails.. I'm pretty sure that fresh gasoline would cause some adverse effects with fresh oil inside the cylinders.

40 to 332 04-19-2014 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 2786967)
You can supply power to the coils of the Starter Relay and the Starter Control Relay. Or use a jumper cable to go straight from the battery to the B terminal on the starter then jump from B to S to crank.

Thanks SouthArk. One item of clarification: Since the B terminal on the starter is already powered by the battery, I'm not sure why you would need to connect a jumper cable from the battery to the B terminal. I understand jumping from the B terminal to the S terminal on the starter … which will then crank the engine without it firing.

Also, is the suggestion to crank the engine before starting it up really necessary? There are lots of folks who store their Zs over the winter. I've never seen mention of cranking the engine before the first start-up in the spring. There is some debate as to whether you should periodically start the car over the course of the winter versus leaving it sit without starting it, but I can't recall anybody mentioning the need to crank the engine before starting it for the first time. What do most folks do?

DjSquall 04-19-2014 10:44 AM

During winter storage, it is NOT good to start the car for short periods, because while the engine is cold, the moisture which is generated as a byproduct of combustion can condense on the cylinder walls and throughout the exhaust system. If you're gonna start the car mid-storage, you should run it long enough for all components to fully warm up and to expel all the unwated moisture out of the engine & exhaust.

This is why I'll be taking her for a nice hard drive just before parking her.

MacCool 04-19-2014 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DjSquall (Post 2787245)
I guess I should've mentioned that I do have a trickle charger. I usually put it on for the last week of winter storage. So from what I gathered, it would be best to leave it hooked up for te duration of the year. I'm that case, I'll use the old battery (there's nothing actually wrong with it, I'm only mentioning replacement due to it's age)

Trickle charger is different than a float charger. As the term is commonly used, a trickle charger provides a continuous charge at low amperage. A float charger will sense when the battery is charged and stop charging, will re-start charging if the charge state drops. It continually monitors the charge state.

Leaving a battery on a trickle charger risks boiling off the electrolyte. In that case, the best thing that could happen is that it ruins the battery. The worst thing would be a case rupture and possibly an explosion.

It's safe to leave a float charger like Battery Tender on a battery during extended storage. In fact, it's smart. Leaving a trickle charger on it is dangerous.

MacCool 04-19-2014 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 40 to 332 (Post 2787247)
Also, is the suggestion to crank the engine before starting it up really necessary? There are lots of folks who store their Zs over the winter. I've never seen mention of cranking the engine before the first start-up in the spring. There is some debate as to whether you should periodically start the car over the course of the winter versus leaving it sit without starting it, but I can't recall anybody mentioning the need to crank the engine before starting it for the first time. What do most folks do?

Yes periodic starting through the winter is counterproductive. This is Minnesota. I have various vehicles in storage during the winter. I shut 'em down in November and leave 'em alone on a Battery Tender until the spring, when I get in them, push the button and drive 'em away.

DjSquall 04-19-2014 11:13 AM

Thanks Mac, I didn't know there was a difference. I'll add a battery tender to my shopping list.

kenchan 04-19-2014 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DjSquall (Post 2787268)
Thanks Mac, I didn't know there was a difference. I'll add a battery tender to my shopping list.

yah, it's only like $20-25 shipped on amazon. just get the junior one. been using a few of these since like 8-9yrs ago. very reliable.

DjSquall 04-19-2014 12:03 PM

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yah, it's only like $20-25 shipped on amazon. just get the junior one. been using a few of these since like 8-9yrs ago. very reliable.

I've got a Canadian Tire store just 2 min away from here :) they have everything I'll need :D

You can just see it past the power lines in the attached pic (taken from my backyard)

SouthArk370Z 04-19-2014 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 40 to 332 (Post 2787247)
Thanks SouthArk. One item of clarification: Since the B terminal on the starter is already powered by the battery, I'm not sure why you would need to connect a jumper cable from the battery to the B terminal. I understand jumping from the B terminal to the S terminal on the starter … which will then crank the engine without it firing.

You are correct. Brain-fart on my part.

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Originally Posted by 40 to 332 (Post 2787247)
Also, is the suggestion to crank the engine before starting it up really necessary? There are lots of folks who store their Zs over the winter. I've never seen mention of cranking the engine before the first start-up in the spring. There is some debate as to whether you should periodically start the car over the course of the winter versus leaving it sit without starting it, but I can't recall anybody mentioning the need to crank the engine before starting it for the first time. What do most folks do?

A "pre-crank" shouldn't be necessary. I don't know if it's possible on the 3.7L but we used a drill motor to spin the oil pump on old engines (driven by bottom of distributor shaft) to pre-lube before startup.

Starting the car during storage is not bad as long as you let the engine warm up completely. When I was working on the transmission of the '67 Mustang I had, I would start the engine every week and let it run for about 30 minutes.

Troyz 04-22-2014 10:39 AM

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Have you considered loaning it to a trusted friend of family member just to drive it 20 minutes a month?


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