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jlo370z 12-02-2013 01:55 PM
So far everyone has this wrong, wrong, wrong!!!!


I recommend you take your Z to your local dyno and look at the chart they print out for you. where you see your power begin to drop off, that is your new shift point.

why not spend a couple bucks to find the most optimal shift point I say

Troyz 12-02-2013 04:40 PM
My shifting points are...

1st to 2nd - 43 mph
2nd to 3rd - 74 mph
3rd to 4th - 104 mph
4th to 5th - 124 mph
5th to 6th - 159 mph

But i couldn't wrap my head around the point of having to shift in 25-30mph increments (4-->5-->6). That just seems to make 6th gear pretty worthless imho. I'm not trying to argue, just explaining my thought process.

:driving:


Quote:
Originally Posted by eurojjj19 (Post 2585385)
I did see those numbers in the manual, they are:

1st to 2nd - 15mph
2nd to 3rd - 25 mph
3rd to 4th - 40 mph
4th to 5th - 45 mph
5th to 6th - 50 mph

But i couldnt wrap my head around the point of having to shift in 5mph increments (4-->5-->6). That just seems to make 4th and 5th gear pretty worhtless imo. Im not trying to argue, just explaining my thought process.

TreeSemdyZee 12-02-2013 04:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jlo370z (Post 2591400)
So far everyone has this wrong, wrong, wrong!!!!


I recommend you take your Z to your local dyno and look at the chart they print out for you. where you see your power begin to drop off, that is your new shift point.

why not spend a couple bucks to find the most optimal shift point I say
Pretty strong statement without backing it up with some numbers.

jlo370z 12-02-2013 04:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TreeSemdyZee (Post 2591649)
Pretty "sarcastic" statement without backing it up with some numbers.

there fixed it for you:happydance:

andre12031948 12-02-2013 05:11 PM
if you're at the drag strip
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jlo370z (Post 2591400)
So far everyone has this wrong, wrong, wrong!!!!


I recommend you take your Z to your local dyno and look at the chart they print out for you. where you see your power begin to drop off, that is your new shift point.

why not spend a couple bucks to find the most optimal shift point I say

"where you see the power begin to drop off"

jlo370z 12-02-2013 05:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by andre12031948 (Post 2591668)
"where you see the power begin to drop off"

.


shhhhhhh thats our secret:wtf2:

andre12031948 12-02-2013 05:18 PM
sorry..... FIXED
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jlo370z (Post 2591671)
shhhhhhh thats our secret:wtf2:
At least at my end. :)

Justice97 12-02-2013 07:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaedub (Post 2587252)
370Z is a rough car to shift with. It takes a long time to get used to. But I believe shifting between 2.2k~2.5k is ideal for daily driving because the gear locks in a lot more smoother and it's easier to control without much rocking back and forth. Shifting past 3k causes a lot of jerking/rocking motion with gears going in significantly rougher and forceful.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TreeSemdyZee (Post 2591204)
? Not my experience at all.
This just points out the differences in how we drive a stick.

If you think the Z is boggin at 2.5K, then you downshift when you need the power.

I like running at lower rpms. They see me Rollin' They Hatin'.

MacLean 12-02-2013 07:31 PM
All of you are a bunch of rookies…. The only gear I am in is reverse and that is how I drive.


I’m BS with you. To break the car in I shifted no higher than 3k RMP’s, but didn’t pass 70 MPH. Once you get an exhaust you will easily shift between 3-4k RMP’s in all gears & sometimes higher. When you downshift with an exhaust it is sexy to hear and see the RPM’s jump to 3-4k RPM’s.

Naum16 12-12-2013 01:11 PM
During the break in stage you wanna be both careful and aggressive. I dont remmeber where i heard this, but to maximise your engines power you wanna get on it offten. Yet dont drive it like you stole it either. Watch your fuilds, change your oil on time. Dont redline it. Its a sports car man

kenchan 12-12-2013 01:14 PM
the op's a woman jk

alcheng 12-12-2013 06:05 PM
rev til you see white smoke coming out from the hood...

that's the most accurate signal from the engine itself telling you it's time to shift...

Firebase99 12-12-2013 08:52 PM
Follow break in, who cares after? Redline it, bring it back to Nissan if it breaks. I truthfully see 7.5 every chance I have. Its just so much godd^mn fun. Every chance meaning 1st and 2nd, rarely, very rarely 3rd. Though 5th has seen 5.5K at Sebring a few times.

Firebase99 12-12-2013 09:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Troyz (Post 2591622)
My shifting points are...

1st to 2nd - 43 mph
2nd to 3rd - 74 mph
3rd to 4th - 104 mph
4th to 5th - 124 mph
5th to 6th - 159 mph

But i couldn't wrap my head around the point of having to shift in 25-30mph increments (4-->5-->6). That just seems to make 6th gear pretty worthless imho. I'm not trying to argue, just explaining my thought process.

:driving:
I pretty much ignore 4 and 5, 3rd to sixth for me. Hell, i hink i do away with 3rd too often as I think about it. Fawking traffic.

Fountainhead 12-13-2013 07:11 PM
Just remember eurojjj19, until you're out of the break in period, don't beat on it too much.

L33T Z34 12-27-2013 08:57 PM
With my 4.36 final drive, daily driving on surface streets w/stoplights I usually shift around ~4,500RPM.

RoadsterST 12-27-2013 09:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by eurojjj19 (Post 2585336)
I dont plan on driving it like i stole it all the time. But everyone likes to open it up once in a while. So can you, or anyone else, give me a rough estimate of max MPH for each gear (ie. what NOT to go over, if such numbers exist). I dont plan on coming close to those ranges, i just want to know for informations sake.

The reason all of these questions sound so noobish is because my first manual was a 94 Civic and it did NOT have a tachometer, so i had to base everything off of mph and engine sound. So im now trying to wrap my head around RPM being the main gauge of when to shift. So, sorry for the simplistic questions, but i am learning.
Everything is still based off feel and sound. Drive the car more and you will find the sweet spots for both city and frisky driving. Shifting down above the rpm range for a specified gear is really the only way to damage anything. Even though the car has a blinky shift light, the computer still shuts the car down at 8k so over rev is not as much of a concern.

Just drive it. There are NO magic numbers or recomended ranges. Its all ears and feel.

luigi90210 12-27-2013 09:55 PM
When I was stock, 3000-4000rpm
After my mods(intake, test pipes, jwt flywheel and clutch) 2000-2500rpm

ZeeBabar 12-28-2013 06:36 PM
There are guys who want to redline once a day and others who do it frequently. It's fine unless they con themselves into thinking its good for the car. The car is perfectly satisfied with gentle shifts, get it into 6th at about 60 and stay in 6th all the way to 130+ and it would not mind.

Guys who redline often and get to believe the car likes it are like guys who want to do it every which way they can with a woman and think the woman likes it. They get blown engines and short relationships, car or woman does not matter.

H2O_Doc 12-28-2013 06:41 PM
Kind of an odd turn for this thread.

Z-Girl 12 12-28-2013 06:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DIGItonium (Post 2585287)
Just don't money shift to a lower gear that's not designed to handle that speed. In other words, don't shift into 2nd when your speed is beyond 62 MPH.
OOOOOOPPPPPSSSS:shakes head:

luigi90210 12-28-2013 10:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by eurojjj19 (Post 2585336)
I dont plan on driving it like i stole it all the time. But everyone likes to open it up once in a while. So can you, or anyone else, give me a rough estimate of max MPH for each gear (ie. what NOT to go over, if such numbers exist). I dont plan on coming close to those ranges, i just want to know for informations sake.

The reason all of these questions sound so noobish is because my first manual was a 94 Civic and it did NOT have a tachometer, so i had to base everything off of mph and engine sound. So im now trying to wrap my head around RPM being the main gauge of when to shift. So, sorry for the simplistic questions, but i am learning.
if i remember correctly these are the max MPH for every gear

1st 42mph
2nd 67mph
3rd 95mph
4th 122mph
5th 155mph(electronic limiter and gearing limit)
6th 160mph(mfr drag limit claim without electronic limiter)

Grindkiezer 12-28-2013 10:34 PM
http://memecrunch.com/meme/4U0H/redl...ears/image.png

nmjaxx9 12-29-2013 02:51 PM
Only people with little weiners dont redline every gear. :wtf2::inoutroflpuke:

Firebase99 12-30-2013 05:12 AM
Drove 12 miles to work this morning in first gear only bouncing off the limiter. No issues other than a feint burning smell.

PEPI 12-30-2013 06:56 AM
OP - did I read right that you are still learning about manual transmissions?

L33T Z34 01-02-2014 10:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeeBabar (Post 2628430)
There are guys who want to redline once a day and others who do it frequently. It's fine unless they con themselves into thinking its good for the car. The car is perfectly satisfied with gentle shifts, get it into 6th at about 60 and stay in 6th all the way to 130+ and it would not mind.

Guys who redline often and get to believe the car likes it are like guys who want to do it every which way they can with a woman and think the woman likes it. They get blown engines and short relationships, car or woman does not matter.
You sound like you need to get yourself a vette or sum other Gov't Motors powered car. These Nissan engines don't make any torque 'till high up on the RPM band and redlining it to the stock rev limiter ain't gonna hurt it.
Car = Machine.:icon17:
Your analogy with women = FAIL.:tiphat:

Chuck33079 01-02-2014 10:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by L33T Z34 (Post 2633866)
redlining it to the stock rev limiter ain't gonna hurt it.
Exactly. That's why the rev limiter is there- to prevent damage. Do you think Nissan would sell and warranty a car that was able to be damaged by frequent trips to the redline?

If hitting the rev limiter caused people to blow motors, where are all of the "Guys I popped my motor" threads?

I wasn't about to touch the car=woman analogy because there's a whole lot of stupid there I don't even want to deal with.

markthomas69 01-03-2014 03:58 PM
:iagree:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2633872)
Exactly. That's why the rev limiter is there- to prevent damage. Do you think Nissan would sell and warranty a car that was able to be damaged by frequent trips to the redline?

If hitting the rev limiter caused people to blow motors, where are all of the "Guys I popped my motor" threads?

I wasn't about to touch the car=woman analogy because there's a whole lot of stupid there I don't even want to deal with.

Drakonis GTR 01-04-2014 12:26 PM
Good rule of thumb is to shift when your tach hits about halfway to redline (in our case, 3500 rpm). This would be considered your normal, daily driver type scenario. Depending on situation (driving up/down hill, weather, etc) you can change it a little either direction without hurting it. I would say keep it under 5500 on a regular basis to just to cut down on engine wear/tear and to keep a decent fuel mileage.

For those few times that you do decide to let her sing, just try to not bounce off the rev limiter too much. Over time, you will have it figured out. Feel free to experiment a little to see where you feel the most comfortable.

LMBmikeZ 01-04-2014 01:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grindkiezer (Post 2628632)
:tup:

just shift when you hear a ping/popping sound :roflpuke2:

waaaasabi 01-04-2014 02:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeeBabar (Post 2628430)
There are guys who want to redline once a day and others who do it frequently. It's fine unless they con themselves into thinking its good for the car. The car is perfectly satisfied with gentle shifts, get it into 6th at about 60 and stay in 6th all the way to 130+ and it would not mind.

Guys who redline often and get to believe the car likes it are like guys who want to do it every which way they can with a woman and think the woman likes it. They get blown engines and short relationships, car or woman does not matter.
Agreed, 6th gear from 55MPH+ all the way to 150. And also agreed that everyone here who 'enjoys' redlining their cars and thinks their sports car can handle it must also partake in domestic abuse/rape/sexual assault.

Slam128 01-05-2014 01:05 AM
Our Z's like to be revved higher, so don't worry about pushing it at the higher RPM from time to time. Daily driving can be more conservative at shifting between 3k and 4k between gears.

Firebase99 01-06-2014 06:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by waaaasabi (Post 2637153)
Agreed, 6th gear from 55MPH+ all the way to 150. And also agreed that everyone here who 'enjoys' redlining their cars and thinks their sports car can handle it must also partake in domestic abuse/rape/sexual assault.
Why? I think Chuck summed it up..."Exactly. That's why the rev limiter is there- to prevent damage. Do you think Nissan would sell and warranty a car that was able to be damaged by frequent trips to the redline?
"

7speed 01-06-2014 08:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 2639060)
Why? I think Chuck summed it up..."Exactly. That's why the rev limiter is there- to prevent damage. Do you think Nissan would sell and warranty a car that was able to be damaged by frequent trips to the redline?
"
:stirthepot:Errr, I'm sure the people that have had fuel starve said the same thing.


Just remember "can" doesn't always mean you "should". :tiphat:

Chuck33079 01-06-2014 08:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 7speed (Post 2639169)
:stirthepot:Errr, I'm sure the people that have had fuel starve said the same thing.


Just remember "can" doesn't always mean you "should". :tiphat:
So what exactly do you think happens when you redline the car more often? Why do you think the factory put the rev limiter in? Why do you think they put it at 7500rpm if the car couldn't handle it? I'm not saying go out and keep the car bouncing off fuel cut your entire daily commute, but the idea that the car will damage itself at redline is asinine. It's right up there with the mind control chemicals in the airplane contrails and vaccines giving you autism.

waaaasabi 01-06-2014 09:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 2639060)
Why? I think Chuck summed it up..."Exactly. That's why the rev limiter is there- to prevent damage. Do you think Nissan would sell and warranty a car that was able to be damaged by frequent trips to the redline?
"
That was a snarky post mainly aimed to mock the poster's posited sentiment that people who willingly & freely redline their cars (often) were likely to treat women in a predatory fashion. Also, the notion that one should use 6th gear to accelerate from 60 - 130...

Chuck33079 01-06-2014 09:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by waaaasabi (Post 2639182)
Also, the notion that one should use 6th gear to accelerate from 60 - 130...
Yeah, that's pretty funny. :rofl2:

Putting a lot of load on the motor at too low rpms is far worse than hitting the factory rev limiter.

7speed 01-06-2014 09:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2639174)
So what exactly do you think happens when you redline the car more often? Why do you think the factory put the rev limiter in? Why do you think they put it at 7500rpm if the car couldn't handle it? I'm not saying go out and keep the car bouncing off fuel cut your entire daily commute, but the idea that the car will damage itself at redline is asinine. It's right up there with the mind control chemicals in the airplane contrails and vaccines giving you autism.
Haha, I'm with you.(Shiiiiii once I get a tune I'll be doing some 8k shifts)

But people that think they can redline stoplight to stoplight on a daily basis without any consequence at some point it's going to catch up with them.

Chuck33079 01-06-2014 09:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 7speed (Post 2639199)
Haha, I'm with you.(Shiiiiii once I get a tune I'll be doing some 8k shifts)

But people that think they can redline stoplight to stoplight on a daily basis without any consequence at some point it's going to catch up with them.
And you will then find out why the rev limiter is set at 7500. Don't raise it. The internals of the oil pump will self destruct and your motor will make a very expensive noise.


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