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chrischhorn 08-04-2013 06:48 PM

Best mods done for me, no questions asked.........4.08 gears and a Quaife LSD. Those 2 things transformed my car more then anything. Even the 40-50whp I gained over factory. I would recommend it for any performance orientation. IF my Z gets totaled out (lets hope not) this will be the very first mod for my new one.

SPOHN 08-04-2013 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PapoZalsa (Post 2432137)
My 370 has enough power to put me in jail with the few upgrades I have done. No need to spend more money.

Why not go to jail faster? FI baby :icon17:

shadoquad 08-04-2013 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 2432183)
Why not go to jail faster? FI baby :icon17:

Ok that's just funny :icon18:

forza370z 08-04-2013 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 2432183)
Why not go to jail faster? FI baby :icon17:

:bowrofl:

Eighties Meta 08-04-2013 09:37 PM

I dont care anymore. Whats done is done. Im over 10k when you factor labor for the installs on my na 370. It runs good, sounds good and I enjoy it on track days. Would I like to be TT or SC. Yeah, unfortunately asa new z owner just didnt research enough before starting. No regrets, still a great car and until I getbored or really desire 500+ I think I can live with it and be happy. Quaife lsd, best mod.

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luigi90210 08-05-2013 02:09 AM

i plan on FI'ing my Z but if i get amazing deals on N/A parts ill spend the money, most of the supporting mods you have to do to FI a car are N/A mods(exhaust, oil cooler, maybe HFC or test pipes) and honestly i dont think there are a lot of N/A mods that can not be used on a FI build except for intakes and maybe an intake manifold(only stillen supercharger builds) and headers(turbo builds)

honestly if i found intakes for $100, id buy them in a heartbeat even though I plan on FI'ing my car because if i resell them, id either make back my money or lose like $20

wstar 08-05-2013 03:12 AM

I still think the "pragmatic" approach (well, once a couple guys have blazed the trail and figured out all the little bits and pieces) is to drop in an LS3 making ~400-450hp and nearly the same torque. NA, reliable, cheap parts everywhere, everyone knows how to work on them. It's as light as our engine, and it'll fit in the bay. Strap on a T-56 trans, a custom driveshaft and engine/trans mounts, a MoTeC ECU + a compatible digital dash display. Wire up the remaining BCM crap (lights, mostly?) to manual switches, you're good to go? If you did the labor yourself, and ignoring figuring out the custom bits for the first time, it's probably not far off in cost from a high-end FI kit. Especially if you can find a cheaper-than-crate engine+trans from a donor car (wrecked vette?).

SPOHN 08-05-2013 02:59 PM

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JVerge5363 08-05-2013 08:19 PM

So I just installed ART pipes and CBE. Also looking to supercharge over the winter months. For me its all about having a super fun, classy, sporty driving car that is not cookie cutter like all the American muscle cars for around the same final cost. :happydance:

takjak2 08-09-2013 11:32 AM

Staying N/A is an easy decision for me: FI is not as reliable at the track.

+50 hp and -300 lbs makes for a very very fun car that won't go boom.

It's also about the class of car I compete in. Both from a rules perspective in SCCA and mentally.

theDreamer 08-09-2013 11:57 AM

Dumb? That is relative.
It is tough to judge what the long term plans on a car are, especially a new car where new products are slow to arrive to market. I have gone over my purchased items (ever want to feel bad track down all things you have bought for your car and look it over) and I realized I wasted a good bit of money NA. Yet I also got some back, which I never recorded, when I sold some of my NA parts.

Chuck33079 08-09-2013 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2439377)
(ever want to feel bad track down all things you have bought for your car and look it over)

Or keep a running Excel spreadsheet that keeps a total down to the penny. :mad:

theDreamer 08-09-2013 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2439385)
Or keep a running Excel spreadsheet that keeps a total down to the penny. :mad:

I have that....:shakes head:
Well mine is rounded up to the nearest dollar or so, but I keep all the invoices if I ever need exact pricing.

Chuck33079 08-09-2013 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2439394)
I have that....:shakes head:
Well mine is rounded up to the nearest dollar or so, but I keep all the invoices if I ever need exact pricing.

It's pretty painful, especially since it keeps going up.

theDreamer 08-09-2013 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2439398)
It's pretty painful, especially since it keeps going up.

I also told myself that I would not spend more on the car than what it is worth....that number is very very close and I still have things I want to do.

Chuck33079 08-09-2013 12:11 PM

Good luck with that :rofl2:

I'm sure I'll be there soon enough. My wish list keeps getting shorter and my mod list keeps getting longer. I just justified buying a set of wheels because they come with tires and I'm a few thousand miles away from needing tires. Justified it by saying "at least I'm saving the cost of mounting and balancing". I may have a problem.

theDreamer 08-09-2013 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2439418)
Good luck with that :rofl2:

I'm sure I'll be there soon enough. My wish list keeps getting shorter and my mod list keeps getting longer. I just justified buying a set of wheels because they come with tires and I'm a few thousand miles away from needing tires. Justified it by saying "at least I'm saving the cost of mounting and balancing". I may have a problem.

:icon18:
Yeah, I just got the hood because it was such a good deal, but I needed to buy it before the wedding so that is my reason. Though now I have to buy the misses stuff for her 350z to be fair, so I am in double if I mod my Z.

chops 08-09-2013 01:59 PM

damn OP, you got me thinking. should've went FI in the beginning :shakes head:

then i looked at my journal of mods and ive only spent 800 on go fast mods (picked up a gently used exhaust, new hfc's, new air k&n filters, post maf tubes). not bad for 10-15% gains? :tiphat:

Mt Tam I am 08-09-2013 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2439406)
I also told myself that I would not spend more on the car than what it is worth....that number is very very close and I still have things I want to do.

Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN

I thought is that all he has done and he thinks this comes close to full value? What's this theDreamer's Z.

Holy toledo!

Want to order:
-Test Pipes
-Re-tune
-Seibon TS Hood
-Vinyl roof matte black
-Nismo front bumper (with black tongue)
-Nismo side skirts
-Zspeed Nismo Aluminum undertray
-Black thermal coat intercooler
-Spec Stage 2 Cluch
-Spec Aluminum Flywheel
-ZSpeed Heavy Duty Concentric Replacement Clutch Slave CSC
-Hotchkys sways
-Greddy oil pan
-Bride Stradia (Driver side)


Work in progress:
-Rear Z Emblem
-Idle issue - CEL P1074 (Link to possible solutions: Picture)
-Supercharger filter change
-Supercharger fluid change
-Custom iPod dock
-Re-route iPod cable
-HU dash kit replacement & adjustments: Scoshe Nn1665B


Complete:
Performance
~GTM Supercharger
~GTM Oil Cooler (25 Row)
~B&M Short shifter
~SRP Pedals: Grid
~Uprev tune
~Fast Intentions Exhaust (12" resonators & SS mufflers)
~Volk RE-30 Wheels 19x10 +22 & 19x11 +25
~Bridgestone Potenza RE-11 Front: 265/35-19 Rear: 305/30-19

Suspension & Brakes
~TEIN Monoflex with EDFC
~SPC Camber Kit (Rear)
~Stoptech Pads
~Z1 Premium SS Lines
~Z1 15MM Spacers (Stud replacement)
~Motul RBF 600 Fluid
~Stillen J-hook Rotors

Exterior
~OEM Nismo Rear

Style
~HKS Camp II
~TWM Big Type-R shift knob
~Illuminated kick-plates
~LED Lights for: License plate, hatch area, dome lights
~Engine cover
~Password JDM
~Mishimoto Hoses
~Blacked out headlights
~Z1 Hood Struts

Audio
~Kenwood DNX6980
~Custom Upper Cubby Screen
~Polk DB6501 Component System

Random
~Fun stuff
~Car cover
~Three switches for center console: Website to order
~GoPro Hero with Wifi Bacpac

Safety


Removed:
~Stillen front license plate holder
~Intake - Takeda Short Ram Intake
~Hood struts - Fitment issues: Do not buy unless you are up to modifying per Modshack's DIY.
~Stillen Gen 3 Intakes
~Berk Tech Cat-Back Exhaust
~Fast Intentions Long Tube Headers
~Pioneer Z110-BT
~Rear fog light
~Fairlady Z emblem
~Hardwire V1




GTM Stage 1 supercharger kit
-GTM Oil Cooler
-Rotrex C38-61 supercharger
-GTM compressor housing
-GTM Supercharger Billet aluminum brackets
-GTM billet aluminum SC pulley
-GTM supercharger cooler kit
-Rotrex Supercharger Traction fluid
-4-Ply High Resistance Nomex Silicon couplers
-Stainless Steel T-Bolt clamps
-2.5 x 10 x 24 Bar and Plate Core Intercooler Rated @ 700hp
-Polished aluminum IC Piping
-GTM oil Filter Relocation Kit
-Cold Air Intake System (using k&n filters)
-Bosch Bypass valve
-Pre-made steel braided oil and P.S Supply & Return lines
-All Necessary Hardware and Installation Instructions
-GTM Custom mapped plug-in And play engine management for optimum engine tune and power .
-GTM Basic fuel system with Denso 600cc Injectors and - Walbro 255 Fuel Pump .
-GTM Custom Drive belt By Bando
-GTM Heavy duty Belt idlers

Eighties Meta 08-20-2013 07:07 PM

I just read this entire thread. I am now depressed. Seeking psychiatric help immediately

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Mike 08-20-2013 07:18 PM

Reliability on the track, and I can feel the 60-70 rwhp over stock. I've broken lots of other stuff, but the engine has been damn dependable.

Stillen intakes, 400
Momentum headers, 700
Test pipes, 150
Invidia Exhaust, 700
Glasspacks to replace mufflers, 50
Z1 tune, 700? (I got a deal as a vendor of theirs, but I think that's what it is.)
so 2700 for 70 hp, not bad.

Plus the GTM Kit is vaporware at this point ;)

Baer383 08-20-2013 08:27 PM

N/A = NOT APPLICABLE:tup:

Z370Z011 08-20-2013 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJB (Post 2431814)
I couldn't feel any difference after I did full bolt ons and tune compared to stock. Really didn't feel any faster(louder yes!).... Now what made a huge difference was when I shed about 300lbs off the car. Then it was like night and day.

How do you guys shed 300lbs!? Did you completely gut the car?

SPOHN 08-20-2013 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Z370Z011 (Post 2454355)
How do you guys shed 300lbs!? Did you completely gut the car?

I've done 500+ with more to come but some going back in with the TT kit. Gutted 100%. Not even a dash.

Kingbaby 08-21-2013 12:08 AM

Natural Aspirationess is next to Godliness

Z370Z011 08-21-2013 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 2454358)
I've done 500+ with more to come but some going back in with the TT kit. Gutted 100%. Not even a dash.



Holy cow!!.. Well She's my DD, so gutting it to that extent night be way to extreme for me lol. I honestly never thought these cars had so much weight that could be lost!

Leuz 08-21-2013 02:04 AM

I do have to say for the sake of it that hps are like women. When you've had one you want one more, and then more. You may entually end up not doing anything with them really, but you can tell you friends how many you've had!

Tribalpinoy91 08-21-2013 08:27 AM

You need a lot of those na parts with going FI

SPOHN 08-21-2013 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribalpinoy91 (Post 2454681)
You need a lot of those na parts with going FI

Please explain?

Chuck33079 08-21-2013 08:39 AM

He must mean the exhaust. Maybe TPs/HFCs. Possible the Uprev license.

SPOHN 08-21-2013 08:46 AM

Yea I wrote some of those off in my first post.

2011 Nismo#91 08-21-2013 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 10MPlayer (Post 2431716)
If you really need all that hp why not buy a GT500 or a Vette? You get 650hp right out of the box. You can pick up a used 2013 Shelby for the price of a $45,000 NISMO plus the $10K FI kit. And the Shelby is designed to handle all that HP. You wouldn't be pushing the engine to near or beyond it's design limits since it's already designed from the ground up to run built-in FI.

2013 Ford Shelby GT500 For Sale - CarGurus

The only 45K shelbys car the used 2012s. And you can get a new Nismo for 40K. I don't see anyone getting a used 2013 for 45K unless it has a salvage title or a lemon with a long vehical history report.

NissanGuy23 08-21-2013 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z370Z011 (Post 2454355)
How do you guys shed 300lbs!? Did you completely gut the car?

Yes his interior looks like a Nismo RC car

damian_mb 08-21-2013 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike (Post 2454187)
Reliability on the track, and I can feel the 60-70 rwhp over stock. I've broken lots of other stuff, but the engine has been damn dependable.

Stillen intakes, 400
Momentum headers, 700
Test pipes, 150
Invidia Exhaust, 700
Glasspacks to replace mufflers, 50
Z1 tune, 700? (I got a deal as a vendor of theirs, but I think that's what it is.)
so 2700 for 70 hp, not bad.

Plus the GTM Kit is vaporware at this point ;)

That is fairly bad actually. Yes I understand that the Z is a N/A car but I spent about $900 on the WRX and gained about the same HP. :rofl2:

On the other hand for an N/A car to respond that well to bolt on parts, it actually good as far as power gains, but price it's fairly bad.

Also yes I understand these two cars on a diff level and platform. :tup:

Chuck33079 08-21-2013 12:43 PM

You can't compare the $/hp between NA cars and factory FI cars. The turboed one always wins.

SS_Firehawk 08-25-2013 09:50 AM

Man... After driving my car, this car should have been boosted from the beginning. Effin amazing. Why did I try to stay away from forced induction... My own ignorance.

Baer383 08-25-2013 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk (Post 2460468)
Man... After driving my car, this car should have been boosted from the beginning. Effin amazing. Why did I try to stay away from forced induction... My own ignorance.

Glad you are happy what about the #.

SS_Firehawk 08-25-2013 10:19 AM

It's in my journal and my Sig :)

Baer383 08-25-2013 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk (Post 2460517)
It's in my journal and my Sig :)

That's great!!!:tup:

My new car will have 560rwhp 581rwtq.:hello:

SS_Firehawk 08-25-2013 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2460526)
That's great!!!:tup:

My new car will have 560rwhp 581rwtq.:hello:

what in the world are you getting/doing? :rofl2:


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