:iagree: There are haters for every car made. Some may have more than others but they are there.

i read nissan might be coming out with a small hatch to compete vs the honda fit/golf.

the concept drawing looks pretty good. might be something to look our for,
for me (actually my wife) :) my older fit is 5yrs old now, and im starting to look
for the next car.

it's a market they can have success in, especially with Renault's help. Let's just hope Nissan is smart enough to offer multiple engine choices. Offer a 1.6/1.8 130 hp engine, and try a 1.8T that Mercedes puts in its US spec C250 Sport or creat a 1.4T. A econo hatch and a sport version would sell well.

You need to be competitive:
Ford Fiesta, Ford Fiesta ST (turbo)
Ford Focus, Ford Focus ST (turbo)
VW Golf, VW GTI (turbo)
Fiat 500, Fiat 500T (turbo), FiaT 500 Abarth (turbo)
Mini Cooper, Mini Cooper S (Turbo)
Chevy sonic, Chevy Sonic RS (turbo)

There is a pattern there!

Brands that don't do the multiple engines:
Nissan Versa
Toyota Vitz/scion xD/Toyota Yaris
Honda Fit

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i think the honda fit is still the benchmark of all dd'ed hatches. have to remember most folks, including myself, buys these hatches to carry things in a convenient way. being fun and quick is good....but fast is not required.

reliablity and utility is required... now most of the cars on your list are out.

Honda fit utility and reliability is comparable to Versa Hatch, Toyota's hatches, Ford focus hatch, and probably with the Golf (though maybe not so much reliability)

The cars that aren't utility friendly are fiat, mini, sonic, fiesta but they are also a different class.

yah, the other part is the fun and quick part...not to forget quality. still not comparable imho. if u remember, i test drove a lot of different hatches last year.

including the ms3. im not a fit fanboi by any means, i naturally just landed there once again... for the 3rd time. :)
the competition is still not at the same level while people might say other wise.

i hope nissan brings something to the table.

Let's also hope that Nissan is smart enough to NOT use the CVT in it

Can't agree more. All cars you can judge them by fun factor but some need to save all the performance stats. A car like the fit makes for a great utility vehicle. No one has made a car with more room in such a small pkg. Perfectly geared for pep. perfectly tuned suspension for just enough fun at a very reasonabe price. Looks wise, not a big fan... But it's a great vehicle.

Do you have a link of the nissan, honda competitor sketch?

Just an observation. I'm not pro or con of CVT. Get used to CVT being around for a long time. Engineers and performance analysts see this as a baby growing into maturity. There was a lot wrong with them but if you get into 2013 models? I can tell you they are improving bi-yearly. I think one more decade and you will find high performance CVT's that are worth something.
Engineers have mastered the efficiency aspect, almost mastered reliability but are just getting into injecting performance. CVT will be a long work in progress and Nissan, the pioneer of CVT's aren't going to give up on improving them as long as they are the bulk of nissan sales. Most people like them for the non hesitating power offered in passenger vehicles. Shifting them lacks something though. That will get better from an electronic standpoint like wack azz electric steering.. :ugh2:

I agree. With companies developing 9/10+ speeds autos, it'll be interesting to see which type has better reliability. These new geared autos will always be shifting. I have no problem with the CVT, I owned a 3.5 Altima with one for 5 years and it was great for a DD/road trip car, I just don't think they belong on anything sport oriented.....at this point anyways. We'll see what the future holds.

Well they're experimenting with new bands for the cvt that are supposed to make them a lot more responsive. We should start seeing true-sport CVT's (If that exists?), somewhere between 2017-2020. Cross your fingers.:tup:

yah, most-definitely! car of that size needs a MT option.

yah, the fit is a pocket money car with big bang... and to me, my fit sport 5mt looks alright. im into boxy cars and 2 door coupes. i dont care for minivans, crossovers, suvs, and sedans. :)

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Hey, Hey!!!! I bought one for my daughter, it might drive like a golf cart but save a lot on gas, good college car and for a teen thats good enough.

For the price it has a lot of goodies and drives pretty good.

At least I kept my daughter in the Nissan family. :ugh2:

Sorry about that :p

Me sorry too....At least you did not buy an Aztek....:tiphat:

Looks like a curvy fit. But it's pretty nice. Kind of exciting to see this car coming out. Maybe it will replace the versa and advertise the 2013 redesign was a tragic mistake.:icon17:

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The versa and aztec have to be a inside corporate joke on society. They probably say, lets build an ugly azz car and make bets on monthly sales for the company gambling pool. Then die laughing when they actually sell 2,000 units in a month and a co-worker with high hopes wins the pool. :rofl2:

Makes sense, Nissan typically seemed a tad bit overpriced vs its competition.

Walter White would like a word with you :driving: