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jakoye 07-17-2009 12:23 PM

Why the plastic cover over the bottom of engine?
 
Here's a reader review of the 370Z off of cars.com. Funny, because I have a Mustang GT too and I'm thinking of doing the same thing: giving up the 'Stang for the Z!

I'm curious if anyone can answer his question about why Nissan put a plastic cover over the bottom of the engine? Is it as simple as "low car, protect the engine from pavement scraping"?

Quote:

"I gave up my Mustang GT for this little gem (Silver touring with nav and 6 speed)and don't regret it. It handles like no other car I have ever driven and even the ride is better than expected. The power rush is unbelievable for 3.7 liters and just about ever one gives it a double take, little wonder, it's probably the only one in town. I am unfamiliar with the overall reliability of this particular machine which appears to be very technical and closely packaged.

My only gripe at this point is why the 16 bolt plastic pan covering the entire engine bottom including the oil drain plug and filter??? Why 16 bolts for a plastic cover, it costs an extra $10.00 for an oil change due to the labor required for removal and reinstallation!!!"

2009 Nissan 370Z Consumer Reviews

kdo2milger 07-17-2009 12:29 PM

I had a 04 mach1, gave to my brother and got a z, i dont regret it at all, but i do miss the mach...

airflow restriction.

its there to create less drag, less drag=less air restriction=more stick to the road ...

6MT 07-17-2009 12:32 PM

Duhhh ... isn't fer those back woods trails ... and them four by fours? Ta keep da mud an' guck out?

(just kidding)

Modshack 07-17-2009 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jakoye (Post 116843)
Is it as simple as "low car, protect the engine from pavement scraping"?

Ummm...No. less than 1/16" of plastic isn't gonna protect anything. It is for aerodynamics. Reduces turbulance and lift. Many modern cars emply a similar cover (I wouldn't put Mustang in that "modern" category)....;)

OMGWTFBBQ 07-17-2009 12:38 PM

I'm not sure which piece you're talking about because I've never actually looked underneath my car, but I think that piece is there to create a "flat-bottom" type effect? It's a somewhat functional aerodynamic piece I believe.

Edit: Just read Modshack's explanation haha.

Trips 07-17-2009 12:49 PM

Like kdo2milger said it's an aerodynamic piece most other manufacturers do it also like Mercedes and Bmw, it is there to keep airflow from goint up into engine compartment to a minimum this is part of the less drag test they do at high speed, is there someone who can chime in and correct me if I'm wrong?

kannibul 07-17-2009 01:31 PM

It'll also keep dirt and junk out of the engine bay...

Might be a PITA to get off and have to deal with for oil changes, but from what I've seen, at least they put the filter and drain in the right spot...unlike my Honda Civic - reach up passed the exhaust, between the steering components to the back of the engine...way up there where your arm is basically a straight shot to your arm pit...where hot oil will cause the MOST pain...with that, I've taken to removing the front driver's side tire/wheel, and going in through the side to get around that hurdle...

zZSportZz 07-17-2009 01:34 PM

You can just take off the back four bolts and fold the plastic along the designated crease (it was made to do this) if you are lazy. I take off all 16 bolts and remove it during an oil change.

AK370Z 07-17-2009 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OMGWTFBBQ (Post 116853)
I'm not sure which piece you're talking about because I've never actually looked underneath my car, but I think that piece is there to create a "flat-bottom" type effect? It's a somewhat functional aerodynamic piece I believe.

http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/s...stic-cover.jpg

http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/s...01721bolts.jpg

jakoye 07-17-2009 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Modshack (Post 116851)
Many modern cars emply a similar cover (I wouldn't put Mustang in that "modern" category)....;)

Haha! Yeah, I can see why people would think that, especially with the solid rear axle. :icon14:

I can't really complain though. The 'Stang has been a good car for me. I'd always wanted a Mustang (growing up, that was THE car) and when they redesigned it, Ford had me hooked. I just put some FRP axle-backs on it too. Nice sound. Not too loud and no drone. And no "fart" sound either! :tup:

I owned a Z back in the day. An '86 300. I loved the car, but it was kind of a POS. Soooo many problems with it. But with the 370 model... well, Nissan's got their hooks back in me! I've got new car fever again! :)

But I'm trying to be good and wait until it makes financial sense. With the economy the way it is, big purchases of any kind seems like the wrong idea. So I'm waiting for a bit. We'll see how long I can hold out. :excited:

kannibul 07-17-2009 04:28 PM

If it were me...with a Mustang - the last thing I would do to that exhaust is anything but make it sound like a AAA Dragster...or a classic muscle car with glass packs...

I heard a buzz-box exhaust on a Mustang the other day...

I just laughed. What a waste of a good sounding engine. Save the buzz boxes for the FWD 4-bangers with the huge wing.

av370 07-17-2009 04:52 PM

Ive got a 04 gt convertable, damm good car. If ford would have put a 6 speed in this year instead of a two decade old 5 speed there would have been one in my garage instead of the Z,kinda glad that didnt happen.

mrarroyo 07-17-2009 07:42 PM

My 02 Audi TT had one and it was a pain to change the oil/filter. But you live with it due to the added performance.

Modshack 07-17-2009 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrarroyo (Post 117306)
My 02 Audi TT had one and it was a pain to change the oil/filter. But you live with it due to the added performance.

:iagree: The Aud part was a little more substantial (had one too). The Z piece is really a thin piece of plastic...
Pretty cheezy..

RCZ 07-17-2009 08:16 PM

Modern cars makers try to keep the bottom of their cars as flat as possible to minimize drag and maximize downforce. In the case of the drag, obviously a smooth surface will create less drag than an irregular one (such as the bottom of your car). For downforce, its used like an upside down airplane wing. Airplane wings create lift through their shape because the shape of the wing causes air to move faster above it than below it. That creates low pressure and essentially sucks the plane's wing upwards. Same thing applies to undercar surfaces and rear diffussers, except instead of creating lift ABOVE the car, you create the low pressure underneath the car, so that it sucks the car towards the ground.

A rear diffuser creates the same effect underneath the rear of the car. It creates negative lift and cleans up the air underneath the rear, effectively adding stability and downforce.

Here's s pic of modern day supercars to give you a better idea...

Enzo:
http://www.tamiya.com/english/produc...enzo/enzo6.jpg

GT-R
http://men.style.com/slideshows/mens...gtr/00004f.jpg

In the 70's they tried installing big fans that would suck the air out from underneath the car, effectively vacuuming it to the track. That got outlawed quick... heres a quote:

"Lotus, in 1978, developed a fully shaped underbody to its Formula 1 car that, along with sliding side skirts, created a low pressure area under the car allowing cornering speeds to soar. The side skirts would wear and often break and the sudden loss of vacuum would result in catastrophic accidents. This technique of ground effects was also banned."

http://jimsgarage.files.wordpress.co...8/lotus79b.jpg"




Makes for a fun read.

http://jimsgarage.wordpress.com/2007...round-effects/

CBRich 07-18-2009 12:05 PM

I'm waiting for a used Enzo in the 20K price range. What a beautiful car.

And just adding a ditto on the aero effect to prevent lift.

OMGWTFBBQ 07-18-2009 01:02 PM

You have no idea what a hard oil change is until you check out the new Civic Si (2006+). Well, I wouldn't say "hard" I guess. It was just more troublesome than it should have been.

FricFrac 07-18-2009 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jakoye (Post 117079)

I owned a Z back in the day. An '86 300. I loved the car, but it was kind of a POS. Soooo many problems with it. But with the 370 model... well, Nissan's got their hooks back in me! I've got new car fever again! :)

I'm a die hard Z car fan but the 1984-1987 300ZX was... well it was like the Mustang II - fugly.... the '88-89 at least they put the European bumpers on so the car didn't look like a TR-7 wedge....

bboypuertoroc 07-18-2009 03:17 PM

I had a plastic cover under mine... removed it. I haven't noticed a difference. At least the one on an Evo has separate pieces so you can get to various places (like there's a removable piece under the oil filter for that purpose).

Alexus 07-18-2009 03:29 PM

Ditto on the aero effect, but what some people fail to remember is that the cover is commonly called a "splash guard." Not only will it improve the aerodynamics of the car, it will also prevent unwanted debri or pests from entering the engine bay (if conceived correctly).

I do have to agree, however, that Nissan went into overkill mode with the 16 bolts and 3 clips (which will probably be broken by most after the first oil change). It's a pain.

Modshack 07-18-2009 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bboypuertoroc (Post 117815)
I had a plastic cover under mine... removed it. I haven't noticed a difference. .

Yeah, What the heck. Those engineers probably didn't know what they were doing anyway. Pull off the spoiler and the aero flaps in front of the wheels too..

Alexus 07-18-2009 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Modshack (Post 117830)
Yeah, What the heck. Those engineers probably didn't know what they were doing anyway. Pull off the spoiler and the aero flaps in front of the wheels too..

He'll notice a difference when that flimsy-looking oil pan is shot or a piece of debri blows a hole through the filter, or knocks it off entirely.

bboypuertoroc 07-18-2009 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexus (Post 117823)
Ditto on the aero effect, but what some people fail to remember is that the cover is commonly called a "splash guard." Not only will it improve the aerodynamics of the car, it will also prevent unwanted debri or pests from entering the engine bay (if conceived correctly).

I do have to agree, however, that Nissan went into overkill mode with the 16 bolts and 3 clips (which will probably be broken by most after the first oil change). It's a pain.

At least the Z uses bolts. Evos got a shitload of those crappy plastic screw clips that either don't unscrew or break.

bboypuertoroc 07-18-2009 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Modshack (Post 117830)
Yeah, What the heck. Those engineers probably didn't know what they were doing anyway. Pull off the spoiler and the aero flaps in front of the wheels too..

Aero flaps?

The spoiler makes a HUGE difference. I've driven Evos with and without, and it's VERY noticeable.

Anyways, on an Evo, it's called a splash guard. Doesn't do too much IMO since it never gets dirty under there.

mattjk 07-18-2009 11:33 PM

it started out as drip pan, so you would not get oil drips on your driveway. (older cars)

then it evolved into a shield to direct more air through the radiator, past the engine and through the transmission tunnel to cool the transmission. the trays got longer and longer.

then it turned into an aerodynamic aid.

RCZ 07-19-2009 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattjk (Post 118153)
it started out as drip pan, so you would not get oil drips on your driveway. (older cars)

then it evolved into a shield to direct more air through the radiator, past the engine and through the transmission tunnel to cool the transmission. the trays got longer and longer.

then it turned into an aerodynamic aid.

is this a fact?


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