leaf vs 370
 

leaf wins....

we were at a red light in a turning lane, he was in the inside lane, i didn't realize he was trying to get ahead of me so he had a head start and i had a milkshake in the car and didn't want to spill it, and i didn't want to gun it because we were makign a turn so i was a bit affraid i would spin out in the middle of the intersection...but still....

...is it even possible to spin out when making a turn with traction control on?


...and for those who are about to bitch about racing, i wasn't racing just trying to 'keep up' :driving:

smh

cool story

Unlikely the tires will spin long enough to get sideways... :) but you would definately spill that shake! :eekdance:

You are more likely to spin out making a turn then you are going straight. Our car has enough power to spin out in first gear with traction on. Glad you played it safely

You'll get more of a "shake" from traction control kicking in then from spinning tires. See what I did there? :ughdance:

I get "beat" by Prius's all the time...

Mainly because I just cruise and they think they have a race car...

They seem kinda uptight...I would be too if I owned a Prius...

Haven't gotten spanked by a Leaf...I have spanked a girl with a .....But nevermind...

:shakes head: I feel embarrassed for you....

Priuses and Leafs leave me in the dust from traffic lights. That said, I'm probably getting better MPG.

If they can, they're a better driver than I. (speaking of dry conditions)

I was taking the fiance out to put her sideways in the lot here at the motor speedway and forgot to turn off the VDC.

Let's just say I looked like a fool expecting to have my fiance scream and laugh with fear and excitement, and ending up with some tense muscles and frowning.

Let's also just say the VDC wouldn't allow the *ss to come out from behind while driving in bad ice/sleet/slush today on the interstate under moderate acceleration. Although I wasn't trying today, I thought I was in a higher gear when I gave it a little pressure, and she shimmied a little. Whether I stayed on the gas or released, the car stopped giving power to the wheels and engine and would not rev back up until traction was regained.

I was doing some aggressive driving last night on some empty streets, and I can confirm that traction control won't let you spin out easy. Went into a turn with a scandinavian flick a bit too hot. The car went sideways but the rear brakes kicked in immediately and brought the car almost straight in what seemed like less than a second.

No comment on having milkshakes in your car.

"milkshake" :icon17:

ok i have a dirty mind, carry on

I had no idea it would also apply braking. Interesting. I wonder how the rear brakes work without the front.

Must be the "Electronic Brake force Distribution (EBD)". I thought that would release pressure by cutting fluid to a line (or up to 3 lines) while all brakes were being applied. Will be a good toilet read for me sometime.

Wiki-
As per SAE - Buschmann et al. "The job of the EBD as a subsystem of the ABS system is to control the effective adhesion utilization by the rear wheels. The pressure of the rear wheels is approximated to the ideal brake force distribution in a partial braking operation. To do so, the conventional brake design is modified in the direction of rear axle overbraking, and the components of the ABS are used. EBD reduces the strain on the hydraulic brake force proportioning valve in the vehicle. EBD optimizes the brake design with regard to: adhesion utilization; driving stability; wear; temperature stress; and pedal force."
EBD may work in conjunction with ABS and Electronic Stability Control ("ESC") to minimize yaw accelerations during turns. ESC compares the steering wheel angle to vehicle turning rate using a yaw rate sensor. "Yaw" is the vehicle's rotation around its vertical center of gravity (turning left or right). If the yaw sensor detects more/less yaw than the steering wheel angle should create, the car is understeering or oversteering and ESC activates one of the front or rear brakes to rotate the car back onto its intended course. For example, if a car is making a left turn and begins to understeer (the car plows forward to the outside of the turn) ESC activates the left rear brake, which will help turn the car left. The sensors are so sensitive, and the actuation is so quick that the system may correct direction before the driver reacts. ABS helps prevent wheel lock-up and EBD helps apply appropriate brake force to make ESC work effectively and easily.



I learnt something today!

doubt it!

It's already been proven that a Leaf is faster than the 370Z

:facepalm: Leaf 1/4 Mile: 17.3 sec at 77MPH, 0-60 7 seconds.

What the hell do people believe in now a days. :gtfo2: I did not even waste my time on the link.

:facepalm:

... You, out of the pool now!

:icon18: :roflpuke2: :rofl2:

I remember the thread about that video.

~good old days~

Thirsty Prius

Jeremy takes to the Top Gear test track for a 10-lap fuel-economy challenge in the Toyota Prius and BMW M3, and shows what impact driving style can have on fuel consumption

Thirsty Prius | Videos | Top Gear | BBC America.

yes it is, i almost spun out last night while making a turn in the rain and i never turn off traction control

:iagree:

It depends how much speed you take in with you, but yeah it's very possible... I almost lost it too in the rain 2 days ago, and I was making a SLIGHT left (not even a left turn, just following the road) at 30MPH, luckily there wasn't anyone around and I held it without killing me or the car

So, "yes it's possible", but you point out that you didn't/couldn't as proof?!?:icon14: :stirthepot:

j/k

In all seriousness, I can drift decently. I have done so in this car (VDC off), and my fiance's C300 Sport (ESP off), along with many other cars I've owned. It's not hard to break traction in the Z, but to get it to spin out (rain/slush,sleet) would be a chore or very insane driving (discard black ice as part of the rule) with VDC on, IMO.

Example: I was trying to get it to break all rear traction, at high speed, in a sharp turn. At 65mph, I went to get an opposite lock in a drift around a huge parking lot. The moment I dumped the clutch and spanked the e-brake, the car owned my arse - and I looked foolish to my fiance who I was trying to show off for. :eekdance:

that just happened to me today, was making a slight right on to an on ramp and i gave it a little bit to much gas(3/8 throttle maybe) and i felt the back end slide, scary part was, i was right next to a car but luckily i didnt leave my lane
i meant i am the type of guy who nevers messes with the traction control unless im on the track but it doesnt really take much to spin out a 370z, it just takes a little bit to much gas when turning and cold/wet/icy conditions

like yourself i know how to drift(not sure how good i am at it though) but i only use it emergency situations where the rear is sliding so i can gain control of the car again and i agree for the most part that spinning out is hard on dry roads with vdc on but with wet roads, there is only so much the computer can do and if an inexperienced driver doesnt know how to control the car when the rear breaks lose and they panic and step on the gas some more, i can see them spinning out

plus tires make a big difference as well, on an all season or winter tire i dont think someone will lose control in the rain but if you are like me and almost every socal resident, and dont run anything else but summer tires, you can lose control

:bowrofl:

I know I'm not any expert at it. Prolly look goofy next to pros. I know I looked goofy in that parking lot that day with my lady. Full throttle...to no throttle, back to full and none again without peddle movement. Let's just say our necks where a little sore the next day.