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nurburgring 07-06-2009 12:33 AM

Why pay more for touring/sports pack when it slows the car down?
 
The way I see it, get the base package with auto trans and you have the fastest 370z you can get from the dealer.

Sports pack/ Touring adds weight to the car. Auto has been shown to be faster on this car then manual.

So someone please explain, why pay more to slow my car down?

TacoZ 07-06-2009 12:40 AM

Because not everyone buys a car just for the speed. It's a daily driver for most people. I like having the whole package instead of sacraficing comfort for speed. It's fast enough for me even with all the packages.

nurburgring 07-06-2009 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TacoZ (Post 107661)
Because not everyone buys a car just for the speed. It's a daily driver for most people. I like having the whole package instead of sacraficing comfort for speed. It's fast enough for me even with all the packages.

but you would admit that the base model with auto is the fastest and best deal for the money direct from the dealer correct?

TacoZ 07-06-2009 12:43 AM

Oh yeah the Z is a great value. The auto might be faster, but it's not as fun as the 6M IMHO.

FricFrac 07-06-2009 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by nurburgring (Post 107664)
but you would admit that the base model with auto is the fastest and best deal for the money direct from the dealer correct?


Only if you take it at 77 MPH around a corner down hill on the back of a unicorn....

nurburgring 07-06-2009 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by FricFrac (Post 107668)
Only if you take it at 77 MPH around a corner down hill on the back of a unicorn....

the corner only happened once the overpass had ended but the speed built up from coming down the hill and then an immediate right corner + first time driving the car can make it hard for even a great driver like myself. cut me a little slack. :(

serge 07-06-2009 12:47 AM

Auto is faster than standard?? Can you elaborate? Manuals average 13.3-13.5@105-107mph. Are autos in the 12's?

nurburgring 07-06-2009 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by serge (Post 107673)
Auto is faster than standard?? Can you elaborate? Manuals average 13.3-13.5@105-107mph. Are autos in the 12's?

"Moving the shifter to the left from D to manual mode puts the car in a sporting mind-set, with the paddles calling forth sharp, lightning-quick shifts that helped this car set the quickest acceleration times we’ve yet recorded from the new Z: 0 to 60 in 4.6 seconds and the quarter-mile in 13.1 at 108 mph, quicker by 0.2 and 0.3 second and 1 mph than our quickest manual car."

2009 Nissan 370Z Automatic - Short Take Road Test/Japanese Performance/High Performance/Hot Lists/Reviews/Car and Driver - Car And Driver

chubbs 07-06-2009 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by nurburgring (Post 107654)

So someone please explain, why pay more to slow my car down?

Sorry pal, but your attitude to driving sucks.

With respect, you need to stop thinking that the road is your own personal race track, or you will kill someone.

On the other hand, if your online persona is a joke, it's not a funny joke, it's immature - this is a serious car forum. We like a laugh, but currently you are the joke.

That's the most sincere reply I can give - I have a shorter reply in my mind, but it breaks the forum rules.

nurburgring 07-06-2009 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by chubbs (Post 107679)
Sorry pal, but your attitude to driving sucks.

With respect, you need to stop thinking that the road is your own personal race track, or you will kill someone.

On the other hand, if your online persona is a joke, it's not a funny joke, it's immature - this is a serious car forum. We like a laugh, but currently you are the joke.

That's the most sincere reply I can give - I have a shorter reply in my mind, but it breaks the forum rules.

actually i am serious and i don't intend to kill anyone.

would you say i have a legitimate point in my post or not? if not please explain.

chubbs 07-06-2009 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by nurburgring (Post 107685)
actually i am serious and i don't intend to kill anyone.

would you say i have a legitimate point in my post or not? if not please explain.

That is the problem - you don't intend to kill anyone, but your dangerous attitude will lead you towards it.

The point of my reply is that you're driving too recklessly already, by your own admission, so please focus on quality of driving, not raw speed.

nurburgring 07-06-2009 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by chubbs (Post 107688)
That is the problem - you don't intend to kill anyone, but your dangerous attitude will lead you towards it.

The point of my reply is that you're driving too recklessly already, by your own admission, so please focus on quality of driving, not raw speed.

please don't judge me because i crashed a test car, it was a mistake and i admit stupid.

back to the point of the thread, i am sure you can understand my point. at the end of the day most of us want the best performance car we can get for the money.

serge 07-06-2009 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by nurburgring (Post 107677)
"Moving the shifter to the left from D to manual mode puts the car in a sporting mind-set, with the paddles calling forth sharp, lightning-quick shifts that helped this car set the quickest acceleration times we’ve yet recorded from the new Z: 0 to 60 in 4.6 seconds and the quarter-mile in 13.1 at 108 mph, quicker by 0.2 and 0.3 second and 1 mph than our quickest manual car."

2009 Nissan 370Z Automatic - Short Take Road Test/Japanese Performance/High Performance/Hot Lists/Reviews/Car and Driver - Car And Driver

wow... 4.6/13.1 @108... Impressing!

nurburgring 07-06-2009 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by serge (Post 107694)
wow... 4.6/13.1 @108... Impressing!

hi 5!

Zof9i6 07-06-2009 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TacoZ (Post 107666)
Oh yeah the Z is a great value. The auto might be faster, but it's not as fun as the 6M IMHO.

this why i got manual. 6mt is way fun to drive. i test drove the auto and was bored with the stops and then just step on gas and go. it is fast tho but no near as fun to drive

370Z Purist 07-06-2009 01:17 AM

It's really just buy what you want. Besides, the automatic tranny itself adds weight, and it's also more than likely unable to fully release the horsepower, because of the way that manuals are directly connected to the engine whereas automatics "coast," which is the result of a not perfectly connected system.

whoady4shoady 07-06-2009 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Zof9i6 (Post 107698)
this why i got manual. 6mt is way fun to drive. i test drove the auto and was bored with the stops and then just step on gas and go. it is fast tho but no near as fun to drive

Yeah, i dont know how someone can buy a car like this and get the suto.

370Z Purist 07-06-2009 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by whoady4shoady (Post 107714)
Yeah, i dont know how someone can buy a car like this and get the suto.

People who live in traffic or get caught up in it. Manual is fun, but not when you're in gridlock moving inches a minute. Even with the nice clutch the Z has, even most hardcore manual tranny drivers are gonna get pretty damn sick and tired of constantly doing 1st gear starts.

Sashimi 07-06-2009 01:44 AM

I had to get the 6spd MT for my car, driving a sport car that's not manual lowers the fun factor for me.

If all you care about is speed for the moneys worth, why are you even looking for a 370z. I'm sure there are other cars out there new or used that are faster than the Z for around the same price. I bought the car for the fun factor, style, and driving experience not Quarter mile and freeway races.

There's an 04 SL55 down the street selling for 32K and a 93 Viper for 27K on craigslist right now. I suggest you check those out.

If you want new go buy yourself a camero

Crash 07-06-2009 01:45 AM

Simple answer: Not everyone buys this car for the track.

Personally, I wouldn't drive the auto. That's too boring for me. Even with paddle shifters, it's still too boring. And the sport package is a good value, so you can add that on for me. And the touring is more comfortable with heated seats and Navi. :)

If I were going to build "the fastest straight line car possible", the Z wouldn't be my base platform in the first place.

370Z Purist 07-06-2009 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Crash (Post 107731)
Simple answer: Not everyone buys this car for the track.

Personally, I wouldn't drive the auto. That's too boring for me. Even with paddle shifters, it's still too boring. And the sport package is a good value, so you can add that on for me. And the touring is more comfortable with heated seats and Navi. :)

If I were going to build "the fastest straight line car possible", the Z wouldn't be my base platform in the first place.

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Originally Posted by nurburgring (Post 107648)
all you gotta do is get the wheels, spoiler, and breaks and you have what you want. forget about the nav and all that crap. this is race car, not luxury car.

The above is my answer. This is considering that a base with auto only weighs in at 50 pounds or so less than a touring with sport and manual. Apparently the Z is a purebred race car.

Crash, in case you don't know, this idiot has been trolling ... just look around for the "crashed the Z on test drive" and "auto comes with paddle shifters."

Zof9i6 07-06-2009 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 370Z Purist (Post 107718)
People who live in traffic or get caught up in it. Manual is fun, but not when you're in gridlock moving inches a minute. Even with the nice clutch the Z has, even most hardcore manual tranny drivers are gonna get pretty damn sick and tired of constantly doing 1st gear starts.

i have traffic going home from work everyday. about 25 min of stop and go on the freeway alone. and im not sick of shifting all the time. i guess its just me wanna have fun driving.

nurburgring 07-06-2009 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sashimi (Post 107729)

If you want new go buy yourself a camero

i want a proper car, not a straight line hillbilly car.

370Z Purist 07-06-2009 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by nurburgring (Post 107737)
i want a proper car, not a straight line hillbilly car.

Camaro's in general are fine cars. The statement you just made has lowered your status even further. I bet you don't even know what open wheel racing means without googling it. Oh wait, you'd never find out, because you can't google either. :shakes head:

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Originally Posted by Zof9i6 (Post 107736)
i have traffic going home from work everyday. about 25 min of stop and go on the freeway alone. and im not sick of shifting all the time. i guess its just me wanna have fun driving.

To each his own. Seems like a workout! My friend's clutch pedal is a freaking rusted pedal (not really, but it's hard clutch to the max).

nurburgring 07-06-2009 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 370Z Purist (Post 107747)
Camaro's in general are fine cars. The statement you just made has lowered your status even further. I bet you don't even know what open wheel racing means without googling it. Oh wait, you'd never find out, because you can't google either. :shakes head:

1. false, not a fine car. takes a corner about as smoothly as a dump truck.

2. buy yourself a personality.

370Z Purist 07-06-2009 02:08 AM

Remember that we just ask people's opinions, and the Camaro is a fine car to drive, not necessarily take to a track. It looks sick ... sharp angles, has the classic muscle car era look, yet is futuristic. Not everyone here looks to take corners at 50 mph.

nurburgring 07-06-2009 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 370Z Purist (Post 107754)
Remember that we just ask people's opinions, and the Camaro is a fine car to drive, not necessarily take to a track. It looks sick ... sharp angles, has the classic muscle car era look, yet is futuristic. Not everyone here looks to take corners at 50 mph.

you drive a 370 and an M6 correct? those are fine cars. why do you not own a camaro? because you know its rubbish.

Sashimi 07-06-2009 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 370Z Purist (Post 107747)
To each his own. Seems like a workout! My friend's clutch pedal is a freaking rusted pedal (not really, but it's hard clutch to the max).

Yea I drove my Rx7 in traffic, to and from school everyday for a year, after a while driving stick in traffic becomes so natural it might as well be auto.

but I would say it depends on your clutch, I drove a friends 3000gt with one of the stiffest clutches ever and I could barely drive that around town without my leg getting soar.


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