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maciaqua 11-13-2012 10:00 AM

car wont start ipd steering lock
 
I drive an 09 nissan 370z automatic, after work i tried to start the car to go home but it wont start. I checked everything and it was fine; batteries, fuse, gas. I had it towed to the dealership and they said they need to replace the ipd steering lock unit and it totals to be $1,663. I am broke right now is there any other alternatives? anyone can help me please? thanks

maciaqua 11-13-2012 10:01 AM

are they trying to rip me off? is the price too high?

maciaqua 11-13-2012 10:02 AM

and the key light is on all the time even though it wont start. I looked in the owners manual and the key light means steering wheel lock or electronic key problems

03g35coupe6mt 11-13-2012 10:16 AM

i recall seeing that the steering lock costs $500 . and im sure it wouldnt take them long enough to change it that they would charge that rediculous amount to replace it so . there is a diy on here on how to replace it .

DEpointfive0 11-13-2012 10:22 AM

Try what this member did:

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...ml#post2003390


THEN pull the fuse

EazyD 11-13-2012 10:23 AM

This isn't covered by warranty? What???


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gthausz 11-13-2012 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by maciaqua (Post 2013880)
are they trying to rip me off? is the price too high?

Same thing happened to me last year and I towed my car to the dealership, they first told me the problem is the battery need to change and after they changed it, the car still did not start. And they finally found it is the problem of steering lock. I paid 1100 for both replacement on battery and steering lock.

DEpointfive0 11-13-2012 10:26 AM

Zentropy posted this on facebook:
Rubber mallet, no clutch, repeatedly hit steering lock and push start button till it releases.


You can also try to:
Unlatch the little lever that makes the steering wheel move up and down and then shake the **** out of the wheel up and down.

maciaqua 11-13-2012 10:27 AM

can you give me the link to the diy please?

DEpointfive0 11-13-2012 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by EazyD (Post 2013908)
This isn't covered by warranty? What???


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It is, but since the OP has a 2009 I'm going to assume he's out of the 36k miles or over the 3 years...

They recalled the part on the GTR, and I guess they were too lazy and cheap to do it on the 370Z because there are sooooo many more sold

maciaqua 11-13-2012 10:28 AM

its not covered by warranty. they say under 3600 miles or 3 years but im way over it

maciaqua 11-13-2012 10:30 AM

so just pull the fuse out and then put it back in? they said they need to replace it

DEpointfive0 11-13-2012 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by maciaqua (Post 2013918)
can you give me the link to the diy please?

There isn't a "real DIY" I don't think, I just know 2 people personally who have had steering lock failure (Zentropy and one other member) and I'd message them honestly, but those are the instructions both gave.

Try searching the forum for a better answer, sorry I could only help this much...

Roadkill 11-13-2012 10:30 AM

They're ripping your head off. I did the DIY fuse pull that I saw on here before mine went bad and its not hard to do. It didn't effect anything except the steering lock no longer works. Big deal. Problem is, if your steering lock has already failed, it's stuck in the lock position so the fuse pull fix won't work. It has to be in the open position. I've read several posts that state you may be able to gently tap the lock while pushing the on button and it will release. At least once. If it does, that's the time to pull the fuse. You may not get another shot at it. Do a search on it and you'll see. Good luck with it.

wheee! 11-13-2012 10:30 AM

Some people have had luck by tapping on the ipd steering lock box with a mallet via screwdiver etc while trying to start the car. It may lossen the screw drive mechanism enough to power up. Once it is in the "on" mode (not running), PULL THE FUSE! problem gone forever.

maciaqua 11-13-2012 10:31 AM

they said the part is 1400 by itself

DEpointfive0 11-13-2012 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by maciaqua (Post 2013922)
so just pull the fuse out and then put it back in? they said they need to replace it

Since yours has locked ON, you need to unjam it either using the rubber mallet method or shaking the shite out of the steering column, brother, if you want, shoot me a text to (310)eight nine three-4207 so we can let other members chime in, and I'll try to get all the info I can

DEpointfive0 11-13-2012 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by wheee! (Post 2013925)
Some people have had luck by tapping on the ipd steering lock box with a mallet via screwdiver etc while trying to start the car. It may lossen the screw drive mechanism enough to power up. Once it is in the "on" mode (not running), PULL THE FUSE! problem gone forever.

Exactly what I'm saying

DEpointfive0 11-13-2012 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by maciaqua (Post 2013927)
they said the part is 1400 by itself

Part cost is like $600-700, tell your dealer to fuckoff and die

wheee! 11-13-2012 11:09 AM

Dealers :shakes head:

03g35coupe6mt 11-13-2012 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by maciaqua (Post 2013927)
they said the part is 1400 by itself

:gtfo2:

LOCK SET-STEERING - 370Z (Z34) 2009+ :: Nissan Parts, NISMO and Nissan Accessories - Courtesyparts.com

kellyefields 11-13-2012 11:21 AM

take a hammer to it until you can start it once you get it started pull the fuse bdl99 created a bypass relay for the lock if you feel uncomfortable leaving the fuse out. good luck.

maciaqua 11-13-2012 11:40 AM

they told me i need to replace the steering lock unit and the computer, what is the difference? i thought its the same thing

Spikuh 11-13-2012 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by maciaqua (Post 2014062)
they told me i need to replace the steering lock unit and the computer, what is the difference? i thought its the same thing

They are saying you need a new ECM also?!?!? I call total ******** on this.

I would highly suggest trying to unlock it with the rubber mallet solution. If you can get it to unlock and into the ACC position, then leave it in that position and yank out the fuse. Doing so will leave the steering lock in a perpetual unlocked state because it is no loger receiving power and because it is unlocked you can still start your car and do everything.

I pulled the fuse out of mine a couple weeks back and haven't had any issues to speak of.

maciaqua 11-13-2012 12:00 PM

what is EMC? disconnect the whole fuse box? which one?

Spikuh 11-13-2012 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by maciaqua (Post 2014088)
what is EMC? disconnect the whole fuse box? which one?

ECM is the ECU. The computer that controls the car. And you only pull the fuse that goes to the steering lock. Fusebox is kind of tucked away near the battery. It stands vertically and is kind of hidden. However, you cannot pull the fuse and expect it to work if the steering lock is set in the off position. You have to get it into ACC mode or it wont work.

kidkotic2001 11-13-2012 12:23 PM

I agree with everyone here, No way is the part over 600 bucks, I would get my car out of the dealer, take it home and start the mallet/hammer approach until it gets loose and you can go to ACC then unplug the fuse which I believe its bdl99 or something close to that. Once you pull the fuse this will be gone for ever.

Dealers:shakes head::gtfo2:

scgolfer7 11-13-2012 12:31 PM

Ok, I just solved this problem on my 09 Z on Sunday. I was 100 miles away from home when my steering lock stuck.

I simply hit the steering lock itself with the side of a pair of pliers (all I had in my car) and kept pressing the START button until you hear the steering lock retract.

After that the car was in "ACC" mode and I pulled the fuse so it will never happen again. If you have any questions feel free to ask.

maciaqua 11-13-2012 12:41 PM

where is the steering lock unit located and how would i know which fuse is the steering lock?

Mt Tam I am 11-13-2012 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by scgolfer7 (Post 2014152)
Ok, I just solved this problem on my 09 Z on Sunday. I was 100 miles away from home when my steering lock stuck.

I simply hit the steering lock itself with the side of a pair of pliers (all I had in my car) and kept pressing the START button until you hear the steering lock retract.

After that the car was in "ACC" mode and I pulled the fuse so it will never happen again. If you have any questions feel free to ask.


Good job especially while on the road.

scgolfer7 11-13-2012 12:47 PM

The steering lock is directly underneath your steering wheel/column. It is a silver box with a sticker on it(the sticker will have a bunch of letter "E's" on it.) The first picture on this thread is what it will look like when you are laying in your floorboard looking up at the column. http://www.the370z.com/diy-section-d...ix-w-pics.html

Once you hit that a few times while pressing the Start/Button, you should here the lock retract and the car will go into "ACC" mode.

SouthArk370Z 11-13-2012 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by maciaqua (Post 2014088)
what is EMC? disconnect the whole fuse box? which one?

For now, don't worry about the ECM. It's possible that you have an ECM problem, but MUCH more likely that you have a failed steering wheel lock (use the site search at the top of every page for more than you really want to know about SWL failure in 370Zs).
As everyone is trying to tell you, get the vehicle back from the dealer and try using the percussive force method of freeing up the stuck SWL (you will find at least one good DIY when you do the search mentioned above).
If you are able to free the SWL, remove the fuse supplying power to the SWL (search).
If you cannot free the SWL, then you will have to get the dealer to replace it or DIY (search). I don't know much it should cost to get a mechanic to do the job, but $1600 sounds pretty high for a $500-700 part and an hour of labor. Only requires one special tool that every Nissan dealer should have and most DIYers can jury rig or do without.

If fixing the SWL does not fix the problem, THEN is the time to suspect the ECM.

Good luck.

scgolfer7 11-13-2012 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 2014172)
Good job especially while on the road.

Yeah, I stopped at a gas station to get a drink before heading home, and it was stuck when I got back in to leave. I had been looking at the fix for a few weeks but never got around to it... Glad to have actually got it to work, that part is expensive and there is no downside to not having a functioning lock that I know of.

zentropy 11-13-2012 05:16 PM

you're retes if you'reTE=wheee!;2013925]Some people have had luck by tapping on the ipd steering lock box with a mallet via screwdiver etc while trying to start the car. It may lossen the screw drive mechanism enough to power up. Once it is in the "on" mode (not running), PULL THE FUSE! problem gone forever.[/QUOTE]

This. Rubber mallet, tap lock mechanism, push start button without clutch or brake pedal, if/when i starts pull fuse and throw it away. This method costs $0 and about 15 minutes if youre lucky.

kidkotic2001 11-13-2012 07:51 PM

Let us know if you decide to do the mallet and screwdriver approach. I am curious to know how long it took.

ON another note: I would definitely try the mallet banging first because that is a lot of money to throw away and could be used for other things. Like Mods The stealership is just trying to take your money.

DEpointfive0 03-18-2013 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by allisonward (Post 2218808)
Having problem with your car? The scariest thing that can occur to a lot of people is that their vehicle will stop working. Not only does it cost a bunch of cash to pay the mechanic to repair your car, but you will also be without a vehicle until you can come up with the money to do so. A payday cash advance can help you pay the mechanic and get you back to work quicker.

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