Originally Posted by bigsix (Post 2016871)

I've liked the Camaro because of the way it looks. By the same token, that's mostly why I like the 370z. And the Z is many times more sexy than the Camaro.

I feel like the Z has certain aspects of 'muscle car' in its driving experience. Its sharp handling and agility IS NOT one of these aspects.

The Camaro is definitely a cool car, until you start comparing it to a car like the 370z -

Originally Posted by bigsix (Post 2016863)

It's called all wheel drive :hello:

seriously

Originally Posted by 280z/300zx (Post 2016685)

Like I said, they both have pros and cons. The Camaro corners really well despite it's large size and weight. That being said you feel the weight when trying to throw it. The Z on the other hand is very tossible and more precise. Honestly for daily driving and spirited fun the Camaro gets the job done with no complaints. It's only on things like auto-x or canyon roads where the Z is the obvious winner. When driving the car on the streets it's no less fun than the Z. The suspension is also much stiffer in the Z (Nismo or regular) vs. the Camaro. This is good in that body roll is less but it can also wear on your passengers. This is more personal preference but essentially the Z is more track oriented out of the box vs. the more comfy Camaro. In auto-x the Camaro is usually right behind the Z in terms of time. Throw in better springs and/or sway bars and the Camaro will be right there with the Z. That being said it does take a better driver to get the Camaro around those cones to match the Z. The weight of the car is a hindrance.

The Z seats are better for racing as they hold you in better but the Camaro seats are better for long trips and crusing

The radio in the Camaro is better than the Z (both base and touring).

The overall ergonomics of the Z interior for the driver is better. Everything is very well positioned and intuitive. The Camaro is functional but not as driver focused.

Probably my biggest pet peeve between the two is traction. Whether new or with miles on the tires the Camaro has vastly superior traction compared to the Z. With the Camaro you can just rev and dump the clutch, the car just burns and goes. It's very easy to get a near perfect launch with the car. The Z on the other hand is very tricky to launch and typically ends up with massive wheel spin, wheel hop, or bogging. I'm actually about to change the stock tires for RE-11's and hoping this will change the way the Z drives but honestly it takes a lot of the fun out of the car. Essentially VDC always has to stay on, otherwise without VDC you have to be on top of your game at all times. The camaro is much more forgiving and easier to control. I have no problem going balls out from a light but in the Z I almost never do as I usually just spin like crazy (with VDC off). Honestly if traction is still an issue after the RE-11's I'm switching to something else. I've never driven a car that sucked so horribly with traction. I mean I've been driving RWD cars all my life and the Z is the worst. Even the C6 vette we used to have was better with it's run-flats. Maybe it's just me but I like to drive a little aggressively without having to worry about spinning out of control or VDC kicking in.

Speaking of which, VDC. The Camaro TCS is far better than the Z's VDC. With the Z, even the slightest slip causes it to kick in stopping any fun you were about to have. With the Camaro its far more forgiving and progressive. It allows you to spin the tires in a very controlled way allowing the driver to control the car instead of the TCS just shutting it down. It's only when the tires really start to slip that it kicks in hard. From my experience the Ford/GM brands have a much better TCS system compared to it's Japanese counterparts.

Like I said, both cars have pros and cons. Both cars provide a different kind of experience. In the end it's really going to come down to personal preference rather than numbers. On paper the Camaro is faster but in the hands of most people the Z will give it a good run. In higher speed rolling races my Nismo actually hangs right next to it. The Camaro is the better straight line and the Z the better corner carver, but the cars are so close to each other in both categories that it's really more about which car looks or feels better to the person buying.

Originally Posted by VDC_OFF (Post 2017305)

There is a lot of good information in the thread however when referring to cars such as Camaros or Mustangs saying which ones is faster, I believe you need to reference which model. There are many models especially for Mustangs. We all know base models for these two cars suck.

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2017219)

there's all sorts of reasons I'd rather have a well-sorted RWD car than one that is AWD, and there's no reason a RWD can't be setup to have plenty of grip. I want to eat my cake and have it too, like any good car guy.


Source: I own a well-sorted RWD and an AWD.

Note: I am not dogging the Z, so please don't try to read something that isn't there.

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2017316)

Why do they suck? The V6 Mustang is a good option for someone that wants a quick, fuel efficient coupe.

Originally Posted by VDC_OFF (Post 2017411)

Well suck in comparison to the V8 model or the Z. Sure for the price its a good buy but 323hp in a 3780lbs car doesnt turn me on. The SS is in the same price range as a Z and is 426hp in a 3860lbs car. It has more hp but also about 500lbs over the Z so I feel like its a better run as I wont even consider a base camaro if he revs at me. (which they do a lot)

Same thing for the mustang V6 which is 305hp in a 3501lbs car. In order to push a chassis that heavy you need some power imo.

Originally Posted by lemon-fresh (Post 2017467)

No matter how hard you try to sell it, it's still the crappier mustang of the bunch (v6). Which with mustangs is saying a lot.

Originally Posted by NYBladeZ (Post 2017470)

For the price of a v6 Camaro or Mustang I'd rather get an FR-S. Yes the straight line speed is no where near the Chevy or Stang but:

1 - FR-S turns more heads
2 - It is a way better initial tuning platform with a very strong and growing aftermarket
3 - it was designed to be a driver's car not an entry level car that leaves a lot on the table
4 - Willing to bet that the manual gearbox in an FR-S > v6 camaro, mustang and the Z

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2017474)

By Z fanboy standards, sure.

Originally Posted by lemon-fresh (Post 2017490)

Mostly by people who are into European/Japanese cars and live outside the US. The ford fanboys try and sell the car one way and everybody else still thinks of it the old way.

Agreed on the s2000/frs/brz front. Every summer I get so close to just impulse buying a used s2000 convertible.

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2017493)

I think there is some truth to that. However, it is changing with the "one car" initiative at Ford. The new Focus is a good example of that.

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2017493)

You should buy an S2K, btw. It's good for the soul. :driving:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2017477)

I would probably choose the FRS/BRZ over the V6 Mustang/Camaro as well. But then again I have an S2000 (and you have the Lotus). Not everyone is willing to drive a tiny car.

Originally Posted by NYBladeZ (Post 2017510)

You're right, driving little cars does have its disadvantages. I'm sure you can agree though the driving experience more than makes up for it. It is still a pain in the *** to throw my luggage in my friends' cars while we all drive to the same destination haha.

Originally Posted by bigdog1250 (Post 2012084)

The camaro is a pretty badass car, it's just too big. No reason to hate on it just because it's American. There's a lot of amazing american cars and many more in the pipeline to come. No reason to be bias

Originally Posted by Nailzs (Post 2029040)

Except it's made in Canada. The GMC plant in Oshawa,Ontario,Canada is the only plant in the world that makes the camaro.

Originally Posted by OMGiGOTaZ (Post 2011800)

I'll chime in coming from juggling this question not so long ago myself...The Z interior to be honest felt dated compared to the Hyundai Genesis Interior or BRZ, then there was the Camaro and Mustang which, Buzz's Girlfriend WOOF!

The 2012 Genesis has less power than the 2013 but IMO looks better, I don't like the redesign on Either the 13 Z or Genesis...

So I drive the 12 Z:happydance:

Originally Posted by SophiaZ (Post 2029823)

For you guys who remember me....I definitely had to chime in on this camaro v6 topic. I would give anything to have my Z back, but that is still not an option yet. But since getting rid of my Z almost a year ago, I bought a 2011 Challenger(v6) and that thing was junk to me. Was way too heavy and I felt like I was driving a stretched out Neon. But I DO have a 2012 camaro (v6) and I love it. Yea the interior isn't all that great but I feel good in it. Still no comparison to the Z tho :(

Originally Posted by Rooster89 (Post 2029117)

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Originally Posted by OMGiGOTaZ (Post 2011800)

I'll chime in coming from juggling this question not so long ago myself...The Z interior to be honest felt dated compared to the Hyundai Genesis Interior or BRZ, then there was the Camaro and Mustang which, Buzz's Girlfriend WOOF!

The 2012 Genesis has less power than the 2013 but IMO looks better, I don't like the redesign on Either the 13 Z or Genesis...

So I drive the 12 Z:happydance:

Originally Posted by Nailzs (Post 2030318)

It's CANADA, not America, so the Camero is still made in Canada.

Originally Posted by LMBmikeZ (Post 2030593)

I am not sure where you are coming from, the Z with nav has to be one of the better interiors out there! Without nav is a different story IMO.




and your point is............

Originally Posted by LMBmikeZ (Post 2030593)

I am not sure where you are coming from, the Z with nav has to be one of the better interiors out there! Without nav is a different story IMO.




and your point is............

Originally Posted by SophiaZ (Post 2029823)

For you guys who remember me....I definitely had to chime in on this camaro v6 topic. I would give anything to have my Z back, but that is still not an option yet. But since getting rid of my Z almost a year ago, I bought a 2011 Challenger(v6) and that thing was junk to me. Was way too heavy and I felt like I was driving a stretched out Neon. But I DO have a 2012 camaro (v6) and I love it. Yea the interior isn't all that great but I feel good in it. Still no comparison to the Z tho :(

Originally Posted by Nailzs (Post 2031140)

My point is even though Canada is part of the North American continent it's not America, it's Canada.

Originally Posted by BettyZ (Post 3838834)

It's not America YET.

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Originally Posted by Zingston (Post 3838829)

Well, get another Z and post here more often! :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by jchammond (Post 3838838)

You must have been bored, to dig one up 6+ yrs. old :ugh2:

Originally Posted by Ventruck (Post 3838846)

whoa, timewarp.

At the same time I thought it was common knowledge not to settle for a V6 variant of any of the 3 pony/muscle cars. I'm sorry, but like why would someone do that?

I'm waiting to see who buys the A90 Supra with the I4 and no plans to do an engine swap.