Originally Posted by dad (Post 6054)

Bolt on and drop in, add very little, if any performance.

Originally Posted by playboyz (Post 6102)

SnakeBitten " qoute " Agreed:tup:
I'm not going to track, more intrested in show!!

Oh, thanks for every opinions on the wheels:icon17:

Originally Posted by SnakeBitten (Post 6096)

You hating on people about getting big rims and audio for there STREET car makes about as much sense as you buying DAILY DRIVER sportscar, striping everything out turning it into an uncomfortable, unstreetable racecar and then have to go spend more money and buy a DAILY DRIVER. :ugh2:

I respect your opinion on rims size but the rest of your post is plain silly as a retort to dub audiophiles. You need to pass the 370z and buy a Lotus Elise or Exige. Lotus left nothing for you to rip out, it comes with a great suspension and tires and much better power to weight. Or you can do what you want with your 370z and let other people do what they want with theirs :tiphat:

Originally Posted by ctzn (Post 6165)

It's not hating it's common sense.

This will be my weekend car, so[b\] I will be making it a better version of what it already is, and was meant for. [/b] I don't fit into a lotus so strike that option, and I happen to enjoy the Z (at least past generations, as I have to drive the Z34). Everything I mentioned doing to my personal car is based off of what I will be using it for, again which is the intended purpose of the car.

I have no problems with other people doing ridiculous things to their cars, if they want it for show so they can look cool and cruise around in then that is their business. This is an enthusiast community (at least I thought it was), so when someone posts something asking for input, I am going to give it. If you don't like it, tough **** man, didn't mean to hurt your feelings. :rofl2:

Take a look at Nissan's design goals for this car, and you will understand why I have a hard time understanding why people would choose it to fulfill their audio/bling/show-off goals. Seems there are other far better options out there for that kind of thing. But if you want to do it, by all means it's your money, do what makes you happy.

When you express those goals in an enthusiast community I am not going to sugar coat my feelings on the matter.:rofl2:

Originally Posted by SnakeBitten (Post 6176)

"Its not hating its common sense???":rofl2:

So its common sense to buy a Z, strip out everything you paid for thus devaluing the car, turn it into a crude car which is NOT what it was meant to be and that is common sense vs the guys who put PLUS 1 20's and ICE on their STREETCAR 370z. lmao at your logic.

Nissans "design goals" was to have an interior, ride nice, play good sounds and operate in a safe manner on the street first and foremost. They did not design this car for owners to strip out the interior to make it better lol....

You keep tripping up on your own words and cant seem to realize you have no right to chastize anyones choice as your choice 99% of us enthusiasts wont ever do to the Z. You can keep frothing at the mouth and going on about how you are going to speak your mind blah blah blah....One simple cliche rule for you. Pot Kettle Black....I hate getting into these kinds of post but you are hilarious....:icon17:

Originally Posted by ctzn (Post 6198)

I believe you have missed the point.

While I have no issues having a productive conversation with you in regards to our philosophy, I have no desire to argue with you.

I personally would not strip out my car in the manner you have suggested. I mentioned taking out a few components would be prefferable in my eyes to adding needless clutter.

I am not arguing a one is better than the other by any means. I merely believe that there are better options for such build goals.

I would wager that the design goals for Nissan with this car was to offer a smaller, lightweight, efficient, economical, ergonomic, more powerful, comfortable for daily use, and affordable iteration of the Z car. I doubt their goals include "interior" and "play good sounds" (hence the common sense remark).

I do not recall chastising anyone's choices, or even insulting anyone. Again this is a forum, full of enthusiasts. I am not "frothing at the mouth and going on about how you are going to speak your mind" I am merely participating in the discussion.

I am sorry you feel the need to take this so personally, we both have our own opinions and thoughts, I am stating mine.

I am glad you are so entertained.

Originally Posted by SnakeBitten (Post 6220)

Maybe if you reread your first foray into this discussion you may see how you came across as chastizing others choices. You defend your right to do what you chose but at the same time you appeared to clown others for doing what they see fit with there car. Nothing personal but just like you I call it how I see it but I really try to be fair and look at both sides of the equation as Im doing now. The internet sometimes doesnt convey how we really feel on a matter and disagreements arise. No hard feelings :tiphat:

Originally Posted by SnakeBitten (Post 6097)

Do we know this for sure on the 3.7? For the DE I know this was the case. But Ive seen the 3.5 HR's have been making good gains on bolt on and tune a la A.H. et al. So Im hopeful that Nissan left room for the tuners to exploit. Havent seen what the G37 guys are getting boltonwise though. Im gonna take a look at there forum later...

Originally Posted by dad (Post 6228)

I'm talking 3.5, no one can answer for the 3.7 in the 370Z. But still the gain of just bolt on, just aren't worth it in my eyes! That includes financially also.

Originally Posted by SnakeBitten (Post 6220)

Maybe if you reread your first foray into this discussion you may see how you came across as chastizing others choices. You defend your right to do what you chose but at the same time you appeared to clown others for doing what they see fit with there car. Nothing personal but just like you I call it how I see it but I really try to be fair and look at both sides of the equation as Im doing now. The internet sometimes doesnt convey how we really feel on a matter and disagreements arise. No hard feelings :tiphat:

Originally Posted by ctzn (Post 6225)

I understand, and I certainly I didn't mean to come off that way. No hard feelings. :tup:

Originally Posted by WUKILLABEEZ78 (Post 6237)

Basic bolt ons such as an intake, headers (not aware of any for the VQ 3.5 HR) and exhaust would be worth it. Combined together they increase performance and can increase fuel economy as well. I'd consider those three mods as they become available for the 370Z. I'm not sure I'd go further than that though, I doubt I'd get really hardcore and start messing with suspension, brakes, advancing timing, etc... etc...

Originally Posted by dad (Post 6228)

I'm talking 3.5, no one can answer for the 3.7 in the 370Z. But still the gain of just bolt on, just aren't worth it in my eyes! That includes financially also.

Originally Posted by 370z (Post 5933)

My personal opinion after “modding” few cars in the past is that it never really "improves" the car in any way. In your case, the 370z already is equipped w/ 14.0-in vented disc; 13.8-in vented disc, ABS; and 19" forged aluminum wheels.
Instead, it'll affect the geometry of the car negatively. Therefore what most of us end up doing is essentially downgrading our cars, especially when it comes to 370z.
Nissan has put millions of dollars & many yrs of RD into the 370z, just like the 350z and therefore it does not need any "modification" from us.
Enjoy the car as it was meant to be enjoyed by genius engineers at Nissan and you will not regret it.

http://www.nissannews.com/assets/att...pecs_Final.pdf
http://www.nissannews.com/assets/att..._AAG_Final.pdf
http://www.nissannews.com/assets/att...view_Final.pdf

my .02 cents

Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 6258)

Well, I understand his frustration. This phenomena happens most specifically with the Z community. You have people who are either enthusiasts or those who don't know anything about performance and just add stuff because it makes cool noises or looks pretty. It bothers me a whole lot too, but I have learned that to be tactful about it and try to educate people as to why their way of doing things may not be in their best interest.

The problem is that yes, there are two separate worlds here, but the dynamics of the situation is what angers some of us. Now this is just my opinion and I think I'm entitled to one if you argue someone should be allowed to ruin their own car without getting chastised for it. The enthusiasts modify their cars and make sexy purposeful cars. The pseudo-enthusiast benefit from this because the car gets a good rep and respect from the rest of the car world. The pseudo-enthusiasts then decide to get 21" chrome "rims" with "fat lip" and a mismatched turbo kit that makes the car drive like crap. They get super lowering crap springs and the biggest loudest blow-off valves money can buy. They get super sweet neons and LED's all up in their shiz and get a kickin' stereo setup with enough power to light up Latvia for a week. This douche-baggery makes all Z owners look bad...I dont know about you, but I dont like to look bad.

Just because we want to get along, it doesn't mean we can't call people out on this type of things. I try to be as respectful as possible to everyone and give them the benefit of the doubt that they dont know any better. However, at least where I live (Miami), there are too many blow-out sporting tight-fake-versace-shirt-wearing idiots who think that they look cool with mismatched color body panels. These guys know perfectly well what they are doing, they are the guys with the 22"s and the Injen stickers everywhere. There's unfortunately this entire community of racer wannabes that have grown enough in numbers where they actually have an audience of equally poserish racers. (As faithfully depicted by their favorite movie Fast and the furious")

OK enough ranting. I can understand both sides of the argument here. It just saddens us enthusiasts to see perfectly good cars which have been obviously designed with performance in mind, to be so horrendously ruined. Of course at the end of the day, I am NOBODY to criticize what anyone else does. Although I dont agree with some of the things I see, I can respect it... I'll definitely say something about it, but it's not like Im out to put everyone who doesnt agree with me down. Which is what a lot of people do actually...

You want to put crap on your car, go nuts. If you want to put crap on your car and then you POST about it on a public forum, then by god are you going to get peoples opinion be it good or bad. If you are prepared to get good opinions, be more prepared for people to disagree with you. Specially if you post your craziness on the internet.





Stand up for your opinion. I absolutely agree with you and the way people ruin their cars. If you want to put 22"s on the car, get something that isn't a sports car because you are ruining it. If you don't, then chances are you will hear from someone like me or ctzn who don't think the same way...

Just be sure to maintain respect for people. If everyone though the same thing then these forums would be extremely boring.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by SnakeBitten (Post 6388)

Just to be clear. Im all for everyone speaking there opinion and doing what they want to there Z. But if your idea of a perfect Z is to strip out some of the interior and turn it into a race car then you cant look down on others who want to keep it a street car and make it moreso by adding ice and rims. Live and let live. Neither side is using the Z as it was fully intended is what Im saying. So neither side should be griping at the other. Its first and foremost a streetcar with amenities, comfortable with a good sound system etc. There are better cars suited to both sides of this equation so that argument is moot imho.

I know exactly where both of you are coming from and completely understand both sides thats why Im being objective. I see the merits of both sides. Not everyone lives there lives a 1/4 mile at a time:icon17: The majority of Z's will never see the track so why should all of us turn it into a track car. At the same time you mess with the balance of the car with +3 on dub rims and laden it down with heavy ICE. One is acceptable for the street/show and the other better suited to tracking. No need to pop a blood vessel if someone else is doing what you wouldnt do. I honestly dont see the ICE and Dub guys getting this worked up about what the performance focused crowd is doing.

Originally Posted by playboyz (Post 6393)

:icon17: Like I said, I agree with snakebitten!!
I respect all opinions about my ideas on mods. nice or ugly, I'm fine with all opinions.

But I really don't understand why other ppl have to make rude reply's....
If you don't like street cars, don't turn your car into street cars
I don't like to track so I will not track (mod)...

you ask why I put big wheels and heavy sounds on a light weight sports car?
The DA** car looks hot!!!!:cool:

And I agree you have your rights to your opinions
But I hope you figured out that what you said was not really nessessary!!:shakes head:

Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 6395)

Hmm, well. No one made any really rude reply's. We just respectfully disagree.

It was necessary to say, I'd hate to see someone who is interested in Z's to come into this forums and see a thread called "Prepared Mods for 370Z" and find 2 pages of people agreeing with what you said.

What you should know is that people DO know the difference between Konigs and HRE's or Volks. If you want your car to have people saying "DASS car looks hot!!!!:cool:" then you can't be putting crappy wheels on your ride. Konigs belong on GT-Winged quad exhaust 94' civics, not on Z's.

You feel me?

Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 6465)

haha this isnt exploding at all. Relax.

I like everyone here, but just be willing to listen to what others have to say. I'm not going to tell you not to do something, ever. That's stupid, I have no control over what you do.

I will disagree with you though, all day long if I want to.

Your car, your choice, your lifestyle. Just don't post it on the internet and expect people not to speak their mind.

My apologies if you have been offended, not my intent. I won't apologize for my opinion though.

I am giving you advice. My advice is: There are about 2,000 better wheels that you probably will like even more than that one which you should at least consider. The Konigs are weak. They will bend if you hit a pot hole. The Konigs are painted, they will chip if some stones come up and hit the paint. The Konigs are heavy, it will steal your horsepower, make your car feel lazier and decrease your gas mileage.

Those are all very objective things. Nothing to do with my liking or disliking them.

I'm not even going to argue with you though, I honestly don't care about what you do or don't do.

Originally Posted by WUKILLABEEZ78 (Post 6237)

Basic bolt ons such as an intake, headers (not aware of any for the VQ 3.5 HR) and exhaust would be worth it. Combined together they increase performance and can increase fuel economy as well. I'd consider those three mods as they become available for the 370Z. I'm not sure I'd go further than that though, I doubt I'd get really hardcore and start messing with suspension, brakes, advancing timing, etc... etc...