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Red__Zed 10-15-2012 07:27 PM
Looks good bud

JungleZ 10-15-2012 08:14 PM
are there even any bolt ons that can make the Z as fast? Or does the Z for sure need a single or twin turbo.

Even though i have no regrets on the Z, my first choice was used a C6 vette, but that was a long shot. I still have urges for torque though!! Jealous of the Stang and i live by 3 of the bastards that rev their engine on my all day and night..

b1adesofcha0s 10-15-2012 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by JungleZ (Post 1963516)
are there even any bolt ons that can make the Z as fast? Or does the Z for sure need a single or twin turbo.

Even though i have no regrets on the Z, my first choice was used a C6 vette, but that was a long shot. I still have urges for torque though!! Jealous of the Stang and i live by 3 of the bastards that rev their engine on my all day and night..
Nope it needs some form of FI to keep up.

m4a1mustang 10-15-2012 08:18 PM
Mod comparos are a waste of time anyways. You add a CBE... they add a CBE... you add a turbo... they add a turbo. It doesn't get anywhere.

JungleZ 10-15-2012 08:20 PM
I'm talking about the Z even being able to hang with just a Stock 2013 Stang.. I already know its over if they mod.

DCNISMO 10-15-2012 08:22 PM
Ford stepped up and offers all kinds of go fast parts with full factory warranty when dealer installed. Blowers, intakes, suspension, tunes, wheels, brakes...

m4a1mustang 10-15-2012 08:22 PM
Yeah you could. I think jnaut has the fastest full bolt on time of ~12.4x @ 114.xx with his old Z.

That said, there have been stock 5.0 autos that have gone just as fast. But you can get there.

cossie1600 10-15-2012 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JungleZ (Post 1963529)
I'm talking about the Z even being able to hang with just a Stock 2013 Stang.. I already know its over if they mod.
Trade it in, much cheaper and quicker

JungleZ 10-15-2012 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 1963538)
Trade it in, much cheaper and quicker
I wouldnt trade my Z in for a Mustang even if it was 600HP, only cars i would trade for cost alot more like Z06,Viper,M3.

No offense to Mustang guys, already said it was best bang for the buck easily, just cant get over the looks of the car or the mostly douchebag owners in my area at least.

shadoquad 10-15-2012 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by JungleZ (Post 1963542)
I wouldnt trade my Z in for a Mustang even if it was 600HP, only cars i would trade for cost alot more like Z06,Viper,M3.

No offense to Mustang guys, already said it was best bang for the buck easily, just cant get over the looks of the car or the mostly douchebag owners in my area at least.
Yep, to each their own.

Hbomb 10-15-2012 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1963402)
Muscle car power is addicting no doubt. Handling has improved tremendously, and I say this admirably. Even the camaro that gets less respect is pretty strong taking corners... It's excessive width is the biggest weakness that reserves confidence in the corners. Hard to see out front.
The mustang proved the superior handler. I myself didn't drive the track pack back in 2011. Just the GT. I found the 5.0 suspension too soft, steering feel was on the gummy side but the power was just so good, I have no real words. Just, at the price point, the stang pulls like some kind of high powered exotic. The Z can't compete in the straight line feel of a mustang.
What I didn't like though were things that others may find negligable.

1. The ugliest,most outdated gauge cluster I've ever seen on recent vehicles.
2. In the sports car world, the worst seating position. Felt like a sedan.
3. Steering to Road connection. Extremely flat, when you combine it with horribly high ride height,can't get it right seating position and softish suspension... It's a dealbreaker.

Now i know the track package must solve many of my road connection issues. But with other factors that i know that cant be changed b a suspension pkg. I cant do it.

Would love to drive the BOSS 302. OP, who tested the BOSS and found the steering horrid... Which key did you use? The red or the gold? One sets the car to DD mode, The other for track mode.

That said. I used to hate mustangs after the foxbody because i always felt ford gave the people a great engine, great power to weight ratio and bad everything else. This is NOT the case anymore. Mustang is back with a vengence and taking no prisoners. I just hope the next gen stang addresses what i don't like about it. At least make a model thats dropped 2.5 inches lower than the current one, with a much lower seating position.

My Z may be totally inferior in power and the stang may be equal in the corners. But it doesn't feel equal in the steering wheel. That said,i'll take the loss with the Z for now... I bought a Z cuz I like feeling connected to the road and going fast. I love that low slung seating position. I love being close to the ground. It was the best compromise... Not slow like Mazda miata etc... but feeling very connected to the road and able to swing through corners with ease.

That said. Under 40k. Nothing will f*&k with a stang on the track.
This. Coming from an S2000 and a NSX, seating position and "feel" mean allot to me. The mustang is bad ***, and ill be honest, If my car exploded tomorrow, my next car would be either a 2013 Z or a 2013 GT mustang, whichever I could get the better deal on. But Like my s2000, the Z isnt the fastest thing on the planet, but the "feel" of being in a low slung sports car, as opposed to the Sedan ish feel of the Mustang, is what sellls it to me atm. But like I said, if I had to pick between the two tomorrow, it would be a toss up (would most likely be the Z, as I have had 2 already, and I have not owned an american car since high school, but I digress).


P.s. its hilarious, when I was in high school Probe GT's and Monte Carlo SS s were quick, now we look at a 370Z (0-60 in the 4 sec range, over a G on the skid pad, braking that runs with a porche 911 / Nissan GTR) as not being enough of a sports car. Crazy. I love my Z, while not the fastest, is def. fast enough to put me in Jail for a long long time.

m4a1mustang 10-15-2012 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Hbomb (Post 1963722)
This. Coming from an S2000 and a NSX, seating position and "feel" mean allot to me. The mustang is bad ***, and ill be honest, If my car exploded tomorrow, my next car would be either a 2013 Z or a 2013 GT mustang, whichever I could get the better deal on. But Like my s2000, the Z isnt the fastest thing on the planet, but the "feel" of being in a low slung sports car, as opposed to the Sedan ish feel of the Mustang, is what sellls it to me atm. But like I said, if I had to pick between the two tomorrow, it would be a toss up (would most likely be the Z, as I have had 2 already, and I have not owned an american car since high school, but I digress).


P.s. its hilarious, when I was in high school Probe GT's and Monte Carlo SS s were quick, now we look at a 370Z (0-60 in the 4 sec range, over a G on the skid pad, braking that runs with a porche 911 / Nissan GTR) as not being enough of a sports car. Crazy. I love my Z, while not the fastest, is def. fast enough to put me in Jail for a long long time.
I'm lucky to have both in the stable.

Oddly enough the S2K doesn't feel as low as you'd think. Relative to the 5.0 the dash is really low so visually it seems like you're sitting higher in the car than you really are. :)

Hbomb 10-16-2012 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1963727)
I'm lucky to have both in the stable.

Oddly enough the S2K doesn't feel as low as you'd think. Relative to the 5.0 the dash is really low so visually it seems like you're sitting higher in the car than you really are. :)
to be fair out of the 5 years I had my s2k, 3 were spent on coil overs dropped a little over an inch and a half

p.s. how is the focus?

m4a1mustang 10-16-2012 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Hbomb (Post 1964520)
to be fair out of the 5 years I had my s2k, 3 were spent on coil overs dropped a little over an inch and a half

p.s. how is the focus?
It's awesome. Love it! Anxiously waiting for more mods to hit the market.

kidkotic2001 10-16-2012 12:08 PM
Even though I am not into the mustangs or camaros this was a nice Right up.

Hbomb 10-16-2012 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1964554)
It's awesome. Love it! Anxiously waiting for more mods to hit the market.
Ever Drive a MS3? I was on the fence for one before we purchased our GTI, I loved the power but hated everything else. How does it compare if you have?

m4a1mustang 10-16-2012 12:37 PM
I have not driven an MS3. Road & Track has a nice comparo of the ST, MS3, and GTI in their November magazine. Pretty good read.

shadoquad 10-16-2012 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Hbomb (Post 1964756)
Ever Drive a MS3? I was on the fence for one before we purchased our GTI, I loved the power but hated everything else. How does it compare if you have?
I've driven all three.

I love the inside of the GTI. It is well-appointed. The car is a lot of fun to drive, while being the slowest of the bunch.

The MS3 is the most powerful, by a little. It is ugly inside and out (in my opinion). It's torquey, it handles pretty well. Overall, not a bad car. But it is gas thirsty.

The Focus ST blends a bit of both and exceeds them (in my opinion). Its handling is amazing. It gets the mileage of the GTI and the performance of the MS3. Its interior is prettier than the Mazda, maybe not as nice as the VW. But it's too tight for a large guy like me. It was uncomfortable to sit in. Smaller folks don't have that limitation.

m4a1mustang 10-16-2012 12:52 PM
Yeah the handling is just awesome. Really surprised by how much grip it as and how balanced it feels for a FWD car.

Interior is probably my favorite part. It's a real nice package with nav and the Recaros.

UNKNOWN_370 10-16-2012 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1963411)
The Mustang isn't supposed to be low to the ground because it's not a sports car. It's a GT style car with sports car like performance. I don't want them to turn it into a low slung sports car because that's not what it should be IMO. If you want a sports car... get a Z, Corvette, etc. If you want a Mustang... well, get one. ;)
With all the ford aftermarket and shelby support. Whats so bad about them making a car model that would rival say a BOSS 302 that's lower slung and lower seating position? I'm sure it could be done?
The new renderings of the 2015 stang looks like it may be getting a lower stance and slightly smaller proportions as well as some weight reduction. We'll see if some of my thoughts don't translate in the redesign... I bet they will. :tiphat:

Also, the big azz camaro did an excellent job with seating position. Your legs aren't as flat as a Z but nowhere near as upright as a stang. Ford could take a lesson from the camaro in muscle car seat positioning. Camaro can take a lesson in weight reduction from stang.

SS_Firehawk 01-12-2013 01:49 AM
I didn't want to start another thread so I'm resurrecting this one haha.

Some might know my dad has a 11' Mustang GT track pack. Has a CAI, shaker hood scoop feeding the CAI, GT500 Mufflers, and a tune. This was during the winter and was about 20 degrees outside with a lot of dry salt on the road. With factory 9.5 in rears, I could gun it in third gear and it was breaking traction. Definitely had more power than my Z. To be fair, I've never driven my Z in 20 degree weather at only a couple hundred feet above sea level. I've only seen my Z break traction in 3rd on cement with a crest (it was kinda violent when it did haha). The Coyote motor screams pretty good. The interior while nice, I prefer the driver centric interior of the Z. I'm not taking anything away from the GT because it's tastefully done and was impressed. He had a Hurst shifter with a cue ball grip, definitely notchy, but easy to find gears. It was easy to rev match (I'm a rookie) and the clutch was very easy to modulate. I did notice transition and body roll were much more prominent with the GT. Suspension is definitely softer. He did have lowering springs on as well that dropped it about an inch. The brakes felt fine. I was impressed to find the rear's are vented disk as well. I felt no ill issues with the live axle rear end. I will say the car just felt so much larger than the Z, I felt like I was sitting on the car and not inside. Visibility was a non issue. The steering was vague compared to the Z's. Definitely felt American in that aspect. Steering wheel was ergonomic. Overall I feel the Mustang GT was impressive. I still prefer the Z, as it gives me everything I need and nothing I don't. These cars cater to two different markets and buyers. And I admit, I giggled like a school girl when I stabbed the throttle and it was breaking loose at 80mph. I think I still made the right decision to just boost my car as I'm still madly in love with it haha.

DLSTR 01-12-2013 06:00 AM
Nice write up. If they would just put a real suspension on the Mustang Id take a better look at it. The live rear axle is stone age. Its plain cheap. Ford only makes 1 sorta sports car being the Mustang. Its a good car and a few small changes would make it better.
For my tastes, the lack of sophistication keeps it 1 step behind the Z and others, and the sheer size as well. I spent 2 weeks in a 11 GT rental in the Smokies last year so I have driven it for more than a short test drive.
Im very happy you found a car that works for you and provides the sporting feel you need and accomodates your taste and desire in comfort. That is not always easy to find! Congrats and enjoy when you get to the track!!

Ive noticed some of them here in Germany owned by Germans. They can be bought here of course at your local Ford dealer. Those who have them are quite passionate about them!!

KERMIT 01-12-2013 09:42 AM
The real step up from the z will be the C7 vette. (If you couldn't tell, that's my next car)

danegrey 01-12-2013 09:58 AM
just read the write up and I agree with you, nice job and nice switch
my Z may be the last Z, for the same reasons you have given. It's low to the ground, and take a bit of effort to get in an out. Currently in good shape, so that it is not a problem, thou my GF has a bit of a problem:rofl2:
being in our 60's does make a difference.. I like a manual and will continual until I cannot any more.

R0bDC 01-12-2013 12:37 PM
My 370Z > Your GT :driving:

luigi90210 01-12-2013 12:59 PM
good write up but honestly if i was going to buy a muscle car it will be the dodge challenger srt8

it weighs 2 tons, its slow accelerating, and it feels like a tank when driving, but it is a fun car to drive and i honestly have to say when i rented a dodge challenger, i loved that car

scope22 01-12-2013 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Rockcrawler (Post 1956490)
I looked hard at the GT before buying last winter. they could not find me a Trak pak 6 speed with the other options I wanted, they did offer me a smoking deal. I didn't want to wait to order one and my sub 9k mile Z came along for a lot less money and I got 1.99. no regrets, but I had a blast test driving the mustangs.

I do wish they would "do more" with the mustang interiors.... don't even get me started with the camaro interior. the Z interior was one of the biggest selling features for me, subjective I know.
same here, camaro interior is the worst, mustang does better but, 370 is best of the 3

Akmcmahon 01-12-2013 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by scope22 (Post 2107190)
same here, camaro interior is the worst, mustang does better but, 370 is best of the 3
Yup. Nice write up, but I have to agree with others that the interior in the Z is far better than the Stang. I think, based on your write up, that you meant interior features more than actual interior quality. It definitely sounds like you get more gadgets and features in the Stang. But the interior quality and craftsmanship in a Stang is just a hair above ghetto IMO. It was the main thing that turned me away after my test drive. Granted, this wasn't the latest model Mustang. So hopefully it's improved some, but in general American cars have crap interiors. Plastic everything, cheap layout, loose panels, etc.

The acceleration is a big difference. Where I feel the Z actually feels like it's struggling or working really hard, the Mustang and Corvettes do it effortlessly. A lot of it has to do with the vibration and feedback I feel in my Z compared to those cars. Glad you're happy with it though. That's all that matters. There is no better car, only what makes you happy.

Red__Zed 01-12-2013 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Akmcmahon (Post 2107217)
But the interior quality and craftsmanship in a Stang is just a hair above ghetto IMO. It was the main thing that turned me away after my test drive. Granted, this wasn't the latest model Mustang. So hopefully it's improved some, but in general American cars have crap interiors. Plastic everything, cheap layout, loose panels, etc.
just to be clear here, what you are saying is "I've never been in one, but I'll offer my opinion anyways"?

b1adesofcha0s 01-12-2013 04:06 PM
Not a huge fan of the retro interior on the Mustang, but I love what they're doing with the new Fords. The ST's interior was really nice, especially with the Recaros.

m4a1mustang 01-12-2013 04:27 PM
Our ST kicks *** inside. I'm sure the new Mustang will be sweet. All of the new Fords are really nice inside and out.

As far as the retro styling... I liked it a lot. Materials... no different than my 370Z in terms of fit/finish/quality. The only difference is the Mustang has the plastic door panels which annoyed me. Should have been soft touch like the dash.

Akmcmahon 01-13-2013 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2107264)
just to be clear here, what you are saying is "I've never been in one, but I'll offer my opinion anyways"?
Models haven't changed all that much between the last two versions. Nor have American manufacturers in the last 30. So yea, I'll give my opinion based on plenty of exposure. I also see them every day. I know what the inside looks like. Enough to not have to touch it.

b1adesofcha0s 01-13-2013 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Akmcmahon (Post 2109470)
Models haven't changed all that much between the last two versions. Nor have American manufacturers in the last 30. So yea, I'll give my opinion based on plenty of exposure. I also see them every day. I know what the inside looks like. Enough to not have to touch it.
:icon18:

m4a1mustang 01-13-2013 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Akmcmahon (Post 2109470)
Models haven't changed all that much between the last two versions. Nor have American manufacturers in the last 30. So yea, I'll give my opinion based on plenty of exposure. I also see them every day. I know what the inside looks like. Enough to not have to touch it.
:bowrofl::bowrofl::roflpuke2:

Red__Zed 01-13-2013 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Akmcmahon (Post 2109470)
Models haven't changed all that much between the last two versions. Nor have American manufacturers in the last 30. So yea, I'll give my opinion based on plenty of exposure. I also see them every day. I know what the inside looks like. Enough to not have to touch it.
:roflpuke2::roflpuke2::roflpuke2::roflpuke2::roflp uke2:

Lemers 01-13-2013 07:31 PM
Im waiting to see what the 2015 Mustang has to offer

Reduced weight by 250 - 500 lbs
IRS
New design
Im sure a bunch of new toys too

UNKNOWN_370 01-13-2013 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by scope22 (Post 2107190)
same here, camaro interior is the worst, mustang does better but, 370 is best of the 3
I think between the stang and camaro, The camaro is a little better... Not by much. The advantage of the mustang is the center dash computer thingy... But in looks. The mustang imho has the most annoying looking sports car dash out right now. It's so ugly that it's 35% of the dealbreaker, only because you have to chronically look at gauges while driving it. Dealbreaker number one is the sedanish seating position. Horrid. last would be steering feel.

Nailzs 01-14-2013 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2109779)
I think between the stang and camaro, The camaro is a little better... Not by much. The advantage of the mustang is the center dash computer thingy... But in looks. The mustang imho has the most annoying looking sports car dash out right now. It's so ugly that it's 35% of the dealbreaker, only because you have to chronically look at gauges while driving it. Dealbreaker number one is the sedanish seating position. Horrid. last would be steering feel.
I test drove a new Camero. It rides like crap compared to my Z. I've owned a 1968 and 1969 Camero. That made the new Camero feel like I was driving an Impala because it's so big.

UNKNOWN_370 01-14-2013 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Nailzs (Post 2110090)
I test drove a new Camero. It rides like crap compared to my Z. I've owned a 1968 and 1969 Camero. That made the new Camero feel like I was driving an Impala because it's so big.
I rent them.... I have pushed them well over 125mph. You wouldn't know till you really drive one. Spend $400 on a weekend and really drive one. I've rented a stang and vette too. I do more than just 5 mile test drives when there's a rental available. Have you tried the 1LE? Have you driven the v6 or SS? Rides like crap? I don't know about that. I have a Z too... And yeah, My Z gives a much sportier ride. My Z is also 600 lbs lighter and missing two seats. :ugh2:

It would be ignorant to compare a Sport car to a GT car. The Z gives something the camaro can't and VICE VERSA Next time give an apples to apples comparo.

scgolfer7 01-14-2013 02:39 PM
I got close to buying a new Mustang. The thing that kept me away was the sheer amount of Mustangs there are on the road. You can't drive down the street and back without seeing at least 3 or 4 (albeit mostly v6's) but still there are simply so many on the road one has a hard time differentiating yours from the pack of soccer mom's that want to relieve their college days.

That being said, all in all a good car, I really like the new Mustangs and actually came from the Foxbody's to join the Z club.


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