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Davey 07-27-2012 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by elmz (Post 1841241)
I think everyone is so caught up in HP. What the Z really needs to do is get to sub 3000 lbs while out putting similar power. But sure, more torque would be nice :icon17:

I would like this approach. :tup:

The important thing to me is to improve power/weight ratio and most importantly if the car is to remain true to the sports car heritage it should get lighter.

Davey 07-27-2012 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by whoady4shoady (Post 1841248)
Dont be mad cause a dead horse is faster around a track than our Zs.:stirthepot:

:icon18:

I'm not. :D

didymus 07-27-2012 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Davey (Post 1841264)
I would like this approach. :tup:

The important thing to me is to improve power/weight ratio and most importantly if the car is to remain true to the sports car heritage it should get lighter.

How do you think they could lower weight? Anyone know how the 370 was lightened from the 350? The problem is probably that beyond a certain point it starts getting pricey to lower weight further, which nissan doesn't want to do.

TerribleONE 07-27-2012 10:50 AM

I think they have already kind of met that point ^

UNKNOWN_370 07-27-2012 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1839613)
there's cost. then there's cost... and cost and cost and cost and economy and you end up with the same engine used on G37's due to cost.

nakamura and french guy knows this. but they still decided to launch the 370Z with that engine so i am not sure why they are facepalming now. i think the car is brilliant for what it is.

They're facepalming cuz americans are the largest market. And generally,the american market likes to COPY or be copied. If another country does somethimg original? it sucks till america could do it better or that country can outperform a mustang for less money. Garbage mentality.

Show me an NA v6 that is as powerful and as fast as the VQ in america and i will mail that guy a box of milkbones.

what kills me is how the american market gets angry over the Z not being as fast as a GT. but the 3.7 v6 stang is its displacement rival. yet the Z is a few 10ths short of a mustang GT.

Everybody wants the Z to be the fastest on the bock. QUESTION? IF our Z was a 12.4 second car stock. It would cost almost as much as a M3. Would you guys buy it? hell naw. you'd be complaining the Z wasnt as HQ as a BMW. you guys would talk about the overpriced nissan like its a kia. The gtr suffers that now and its the fastest production car in the market.

there's nothing wrong ith the current Z except i still dont really understand vvel. And if that's why we supposedly have oil heating issues? Then maybe we don't need it?

Would i welcome a new and more capable V6 ONLY engine in the Z??? Hell yeah. FI? hell yesssssss. v8... fukk no. u want a f'in muscle car? buy one. i didn't buy the Z to compete or feel like a stang. you have the stang and the bimmer to perform like each other. leave the Z a cult car... love it or leave it and i"ll order the rhd from japan when they decide to chuck an american version.

Compdoc777 07-27-2012 11:16 AM

No matter what they are going to need to bring up HP to match the mustang and other related cars. They will probably use DI and a efficient turbo like most car companies are doing now. It will be a smaller motor. They will probably use more aluminum in the suspension. My Sky had the aluminum rear axel out of the CTS-V. I am sure Nissan can switch to a lighter rear axel.

UNKNOWN_370 07-27-2012 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1840169)
yah, so basically borrow parts from platforms that sell well and i think that's the only way to keep the Z a budget sports car in this current economy.

imagine the next Z sharing the new sentra/versa/juke platform. :icon17:

they should make the Z a 5.6 litre fwd... :bowrofl:

bigdog1250 07-27-2012 11:22 AM

It's all about multi powertrain options. Ford is KING of this. Give us a boosted 4 and a beastly V8! Cost can still be kept low if they borrow the previously mentioned power plants from the infiniti/nissan line-up.

Cheaper car for those who want it. BEAST MODE car for the others :)
420hp in a Z would be FAST and fun... but still shouldn't detract from GTR owneres. No way would you get a 0-60 in 2.9 with a V8 RWD Z.

kenchan 07-27-2012 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1841462)
they should make the Z a 5.6 litre fwd... :bowrofl:

CVT with hybrid for the ultimate fail. :tup:

TerribleONE 07-27-2012 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1841474)
CVT with hybrid for the ultimate fail. :tup:

they could always just borrow the fits tranny... I think that they found a way to fail harder with that than CVT!

kenchan 07-27-2012 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TerribleONE (Post 1841478)
they could always just borrow the fits tranny... I think that they found a way to fail harder with that than CVT!

:bowrofl:

whoady4shoady 07-27-2012 11:35 AM

we need a hybrid z with more airbags and 22inch rims IMHO.

TerribleONE 07-27-2012 11:37 AM

22s are like the new 19s. go big or go home.. 24's or you might as well be rolling on 16s

Davey 07-27-2012 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by didymus (Post 1841386)
How do you think they could lower weight? Anyone know how the 370 was lightened from the 350? The problem is probably that beyond a certain point it starts getting pricey to lower weight further, which nissan doesn't want to do.

Good question. Lightweight materials are more expensive, that is for sure, and since they also want to improve the cost it seems likely they'll make the car smaller.

whoady4shoady 07-27-2012 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TerribleONE (Post 1841502)
22s are like the new 19s. go big or go home.. 24's or you might as well be rolling on 16s

Mybe on a passenger vehicle, but not a 2d coupe son! :happydance: Plus, you want to keep the weight down. HEHE


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