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b1adesofcha0s 07-26-2012 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Isamu (Post 1839517)
I was just saying they could... not that they would
I know you were. I was just giving my opinion on the matter :p

Isamu 07-26-2012 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1839523)
I know you were. I was just giving my opinion on the matter :p
and they can add direct injection into the vq too..

hell, just put a detuned GTR motor in.. lol

ZMan8 07-26-2012 11:56 AM
Do You guys think a single Turbo Is possible? That would keep costs down.

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edub370 07-26-2012 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ZMan8 (Post 1839530)
Do You guys think a single Turbo Is possible? That would keep costs down.

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probably a lot more r&d and tuning issues which would drive cost baack up.
unless they went inline 6

b1adesofcha0s 07-26-2012 12:05 PM
I highly doubt the car will come from the factory with a single turbo.

Cmike2780 07-26-2012 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ZMan8 (Post 1839530)
Do You guys think a single Turbo Is possible? That would keep costs down.

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If they start with a brand new engine design, I don't see why not. I'm still hoping for a smaller displacement V6 config with some kind of forced induction. Who knows, maybe they go with a supercharger instead.

I'm also thinking Nissan will probably do away with the number designation and just call the car a "Z".

b1adesofcha0s 07-26-2012 12:23 PM
Yeah they already call it the Nissan Z Coupe/Roadster on their website.

Isamu 07-26-2012 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 1839548)
If they start with a brand new engine design, I don't see why not. I'm still hoping for a smaller displacement V6 config with some kind of forced induction. Who knows, maybe they go with a supercharger instead.

I'm also thinking Nissan will probably do away with the number designation and just call the car a "Z".
if they drop displacement, or move to FI.... I don't doubt that a numerical Z title will be removed..

DCNISMO 07-26-2012 02:47 PM
Remember that they have to warranty parts so that factors into the cost of factory forced induction and they have to train techs and get suppliers on line. They buy all that stuff and turbos and blowers are in short supply. Plus you guys in here would no doubt mod them for more boost. That leads to blown egnines and other issues. Audi for example took a bath on B5 S4 with blown turbos many times with no mods either.

nmjaxx9 07-26-2012 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by w0rM (Post 1838019)
I tell ya... If the next Z has a 4 cylinder turbo, the 370 will be my last Z car. If I wanted fuel economy, I would have bought a Prius.
:bowrofl:

Cmike2780 07-26-2012 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DCNISMO (Post 1839922)
Remember that they have to warranty parts so that factors into the cost of factory forced induction and they have to train techs and get suppliers on line. They buy all that stuff and turbos and blowers are in short supply. Plus you guys in here would no doubt mod them for more boost. That leads to blown egnines and other issues. Audi for example took a bath on B5 S4 with blown turbos many times with no mods either.
Nissan has a long history with FI, not to mention there are already two models with turbos in the current lineup, the GT-R & Juke. The X-terra had a supercharged version for a a while also.

Jordo! 07-26-2012 03:44 PM
Make a new 300ZX -- would use a smaller, more fuel efficient V6, add a bigger turbo or two, DI, and shed 200 lbs. Give me same power with less weight, more torque, and factory boost.

That would work, no?

sfearl1 07-26-2012 04:32 PM
^^ I can see it now. Would probably be called 300Z... "The Return of a Legend" haha :tup:

Isamu 07-26-2012 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by sfearl1 (Post 1840185)
^^ I can see it now. Would probably be called 300Z... "The Return of a Legend" haha :tup:
that's what I was getting at earlier... the would drop the x. and simply call it a 300z.. tho, that might not be a good idea...

I wouldn't be surprised.. the more I think about it, if it was just called a Z.. much how it's not longer a skyline GTR.. it's just a GTR

Cmike2780 07-26-2012 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by sfearl1 (Post 1840185)
^^ I can see it now. Would probably be called 300Z... "The Return of a Legend" haha :tup:
240z was the legend. The 300ZX was the sequel. Great, but not as good as the original.

The next Z needs to look this agile.
http://www.carbonetic.net/blog/blog/...front_view.jpg

Isamu 07-26-2012 04:45 PM
I am honestly a fan of this current body style.. along with almost every other z.. they do a good job there.. they just need to bring back the performance segment... like for real.. not just a half assed job...

tho again, I think they did a great job with the z34

FL 4Motion 07-26-2012 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 1838764)
It does come with an oil cooler now...and I thought they fixed the brake issues by adding better venting. It would have been nice if they had it all along though.

I know it has it's fair share of shortcomings, but to say "the 370Z was a disappointment to most enthusiasts and it really is a far cry from the Z-cars of yesteryear" is uninformed jiberish. IMO the 370 is better than the 350 in every way, but because the sales figures during one of the worst recession in history doesn't match that of 350, it's a failure. It just sounds like this writer hasn't done any real research within the Z community.....or any group into cars for that matter. The Z was and is marketed towards the average "working man." The 370 just had bad timing, especially when the working man's chances of being unemployed became that much more likely.
/\ 2012+ oil cooler isstill not up to track time, only helps with "spirited" street driving. There's no brake venting or other improvements either for 2012+, there was a blurb in the brochures about it, I got super excited, turned out to be nothing changed, someone went and looked and everything was identical to the 09-11s.

I agree with you on all the stuff I bolded btw.

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1839481)
If they downsize the engine and then add TT, they can keep the price the same. That's what a lot of manufacturers are doing with their cars these days.
I agree, next Z will most likely drop the numerical designation and jsut be a "Z" car and go small displacemnt v6 with DI and hopefully TTs. If it loses 200lbs and comew with 350hp and around 300-320tq, with real lsd, no fuel starve, brake or oil cooling issues etc, it will be a homerun.

I personnaly feel the next Z needs to benchmark the cayman S again as well as the entry level vette, NOT go downmarket and go against the brz, miata etc. they can bring back the silvia for that.

b1adesofcha0s 07-26-2012 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 1840858)
/\ 2012+ oil cooler isstill not up to track time, only helps with "spirited" street driving. There's no brake venting or other improvements either for 2012+, there was a blurb in the brochures about it, I got super excited, turned out to be nothing changed, someone went and looked and everything was identical to the 09-11s.

I agree with you on all the stuff I bolded btw.



I agree, next Z will most likely drop the numerical designation and jsut be a "Z" car and go small displacemnt v6 with DI and hopefully TTs. If it loses 200lbs and comew with 350hp and around 300-320tq, with real lsd, no fuel starve, brake or oil cooling issues etc, it will be a homerun.

I personnaly feel the next Z needs to benchmark the cayman S again as well as the entry level vette, NOT go downmarket and go against the brz, miata etc. they can bring back the silvia for that.
:iagree:

mhcoss 07-26-2012 11:53 PM
I'd be sad if they got rid of the 6 cylinder engine. What I'd like to 370zx i'd have to buy that.

SPOHN 07-27-2012 07:36 AM
Who cares if it's a smaller motor? Makes the car lighter and affordable (maintence). Upgrades would be cheaper also. As long as its reliable and you can throw anything at it power wise I'd be good to go. Make that baby all wheel drive and you will have a bad a$$ car.

Isamu 07-27-2012 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 1841026)
Who cares if it's a smaller motor? Makes the car lighter and affordable (maintence). Upgrades would be cheaper also. As long as its reliable and you can throw anything at it power wise I'd be good to go. Make that baby all wheel drive and you will have a bad a$$ car.
they won't go awd... no baby GTRs here... but I agree, going back to a smaller FI motor would be practical and amazing.. and they can do what they did with the JUKE.. sport mode, turns the boost up, and eco mode... :tup:

mhcoss 07-27-2012 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 1841026)
Who cares if it's a smaller motor? Makes the car lighter and affordable (maintence). Upgrades would be cheaper also. As long as its reliable and you can throw anything at it power wise I'd be good to go. Make that baby all wheel drive and you will have a bad a$$ car.
I bought it for RWD... AWD is not all its cracked up to be. A smaller motor is lame, you won't be able to throw anything at it power wise.

b1adesofcha0s 07-27-2012 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by mhcoss (Post 1841123)
I bought it for RWD... AWD is not all its cracked up to be. A smaller motor is lame, you won't be able to throw anything at it power wise.
If they go with a smaller motor they will most likely also add FI to keep the power up. With FI you can throw way more power at it than you can now.

SPOHN 07-27-2012 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by mhcoss (Post 1841123)
I bought it for RWD... AWD is not all its cracked up to be. A smaller motor is lame, you won't be able to throw anything at it power wise.
How is that? Have you seen what the Evo's WRX can do. Yes their flat four but that doesn't make much difference with today's technology plus most likely they will be adding direct fuel injection.

Davey 07-27-2012 09:17 AM
Forced induction with DI on a moderate displacement engine (2.5L roughly) 4 or 6 seems likely what we will see. Hopefully the internals are done well like on more recent VQ's so the stock short block will hold together when you turn up the boost. :D

Isamu 07-27-2012 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by mhcoss (Post 1841123)
I bought it for RWD... AWD is not all its cracked up to be. A smaller motor is lame, you won't be able to throw anything at it power wise.
I have to ask, do you know anything about building power?

Isamu 07-27-2012 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 1841144)
How is that? Have you seen what the Evo's WRX can do. Yes their flat four but that doesn't make much difference with today's technology plus most likely they will be adding direct fuel injection.
dude... my 98 GSX was making over 380awhp on a stock block and I spent less then 3k.. I agree with you 100%


and last time I checked small displacement v-8s were making upwards of 700hp with FI

mhcoss 07-27-2012 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1841131)
If they go with a smaller motor they will most likely also add FI to keep the power up. With FI you can throw way more power at it than you can now.
The smaller motor will have a lower upper power limit... Displacement is king, even with today's tech. The current motor responds to boost well and provides some great numbers

TerribleONE 07-27-2012 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Isamu (Post 1841364)
dude... my 98 GSX was making over 380awhp on a stock block and I spent less then 3k.. I agree with you 100%


and last time I checked small displacement v-8s were making upwards of 700hp with FI
mmm GSX... Il never forget the time I drove my friends 600awhp one with a stripped down interior, AC delete, and some handling mods. THAT was a fun car

b1adesofcha0s 07-27-2012 10:49 AM
I would hope with a factory FI option, it would be built to handle more boost. It should provide much better bang for your buck in terms of just bolt on mods with a tune. That is what a large majority of people get anyways.

mhcoss 07-27-2012 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Isamu (Post 1841364)
dude... my 98 GSX was making over 380awhp on a stock block and I spent less then 3k.. I agree with you 100%


and last time I checked small displacement v-8s were making upwards of 700hp with FI
Thank you for proving my point exactly. The Z's engine can make 500+ whp on stock block and small displacement v-8s can easily do 700. It will take a seriously built 4 banger to put up those kind of numbers and I am skeptical it would even be possible on pump gas.

Isamu 07-27-2012 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by TerribleONE (Post 1841381)
mmm GSX... Il never forget the time I drove my friends 600awhp one with a stripped down interior, AC delete, and some handling mods. THAT was a fun car
had it not met an untimely end... I would have had 600awhp... lol

Isamu 07-27-2012 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by mhcoss (Post 1841395)
Thank you for proving my point exactly. The Z's engine can make 500+ whp on stock block and small displacement v-8s can easily do 700. It will take a seriously built 4 banger to put up those kind of numbers and I am skeptical it would even be possible on pump gas.
I was talking displacement tho...small displacement as in 2.8L...

I have a friend who had a 760awhp 1st gen eclipse.. inline4... huge turbo.. pump gas... revved like a mofo too..

mhcoss 07-27-2012 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Isamu (Post 1841402)
I was talking displacement tho...small displacement as in 2.8L...

I have a friend who had a 760awhp 1st gen eclipse.. inline4... huge turbo.. pump gas... revved like a mofo too..
You make the same mods on a bigger engine and you'd have more power.

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A 2.8L-3.0L v-8 in our Zs would get me excited. If they downgrade to 4-banger I won't be purchasing the next model

Isamu 07-27-2012 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by mhcoss (Post 1841409)
You make the same mods on a bigger engine and you'd have more power.

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A 2.8L-3.0L v-8 in our Zs would get me excited. If they downgrade to 4-banger I won't be purchasing the next model
they won't put a I4 in a z... :facepalm: they would designate that the new silvia... no way nissan is dumb enough to do that..

but what do you need MORE then 700whp for? I mean really?

and personally a v6 is just fine

edub370 07-27-2012 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by mhcoss (Post 1841409)
You make the same mods on a bigger engine and you'd have more power.

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A 2.8L-3.0L v-8 in our Zs would get me excited. If they downgrade to 4-banger I won't be purchasing the next model
2jz makes almost the same power as an ls with comprable mods. displacement isnt alwaysnt king

mhcoss 07-27-2012 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Isamu (Post 1841437)
they won't put a I4 in a z... :facepalm: they would designate that the new silvia... no way nissan is dumb enough to do that..

but what do you need MORE then 700whp for? I mean really?

and personally a v6 is just fine
yea a v6 is fine, a 3.0l turboed v-6 would be pretty cool. Just please nissan don't go for a 4-banger!

UNKNOWN_370 07-27-2012 11:49 AM
I just read this article.... lol. You gotta be kiddin me???? This is all wild speculation with anti-Z bias.

1) How is this the worst Z ever if it killed every weakness in the 350z?
2) 5.1 on a good day???????? Who is driving? Is this all the manual Z can throw??? If so i'm glad i got the automatic but i believe on a good day the manual can do A LOT better.

370z 0-60mph - YouTube


But i'm sure these a-holes drive like this guy. Learn to drive!!!!!!

0-60 in the new 2009 Nissan 370Z QUICK!!! - YouTube


I hope Z weaknesses are further improved without selling out the car for what it is. all will happen if they go smaller engine and low power is people will complain due to the downgrade. What people are complaining about today will make the Z34 a legend tomorrow.

sfearl1 07-27-2012 01:33 PM
Amen!

mhcoss 07-27-2012 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1841555)
I just read this article.... lol. You gotta be kiddin me???? This is all wild speculation with anti-Z bias.

1) How is this the worst Z ever if it killed every weakness in the 350z?
2) 5.1 on a good day???????? Who is driving? Is this all the manual Z can throw??? If so i'm glad i got the automatic but i believe on a good day the manual can do A LOT better.

370z 0-60mph - YouTube


But i'm sure these a-holes drive like this guy. Learn to drive!!!!!!

0-60 in the new 2009 Nissan 370Z QUICK!!! - YouTube


I hope Z weaknesses are further improved without selling out the car for what it is. all will happen if they go smaller engine and low power is people will complain due to the downgrade. What people are complaining about today will make the Z34 a legend tomorrow.
:iagree:


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