Naysayers bashed the 350 also
 

Gang,

Is this a 370 problem only or was it there on the 350 also? Oh we don't know, is that the answer? Why don't we know? I'll bet I may have the answer? The 350 didn't have an Oil Temp Gage and the 370 does. If that is the answer then I have a solution for the over heating problem on the 370? PUT SOME MASKING TAPE OVER THE GAGE SO YOU DON'T SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!:stirthepot: Problem solved............

BTW you naysayers are all alike.......... My dear old departed Grandmother used to say "If you can't say something nice about someone (in this case the 370) don't say anything at all". Also if you can't afford it or can't get a loan for it why don't you take your jealousy and just leave this forum to those of us who do enjoy it.
:tiphat:

Hang on a second so I can get my flame suit on. Okay, got it on so flame away.
:yawn:

Anyone have a list of # of Z's sold in Canada? or a link?

"Martyrdom"

Do you take pride in humiliating, discrediting and insulting other forum members personal opinions?

Scratch that last question. It's obvious you take great satisfaction in it.

Nothing was deemed in our responses to this thread that would imply that you should not enjoy your new Z. Let me be opened minded and congratulate you on your worthwhile purchase on an otherwise fine vehicle.

I will respect you as a forum member. But respect begets respect.

Rather Nissan has left many of us with a significant level of pessimism.

The "Hot Oil" concern is a mountainess quandary.
It is difficult to give Nissan a large field of lattitude on this subject.

For those of you that voice your concern, I will applaud you.
For you should be proud to be a REAL ENTHUSIAST AND NOT JUST SHEEPLE.

So that's 7,203 of the 10,000 cars they are going to roll out for the 2009 model year.

They only have to average 932.33 for the next three months and they will have sold all of the production estimates by the end of third quarter.


A few other points for thought for lower May sales:

• People are planning summer expenditures...ie vacations
• Attitude, May already, 4th of July sales are coming soon
• Holding out thinking that with the economy the way it is and not recovering, maybe there will be better financing options (lower rates) available

I believe the revised production estimate for the 370Z ( originally it was 30,000 worldwide), was 10,000 worldwide and 7,000 for the U.S. I don't know if Nissan issues any kind of breakdown other than total sales?

thats what i heard as well...not a lot of 350 owners have oil temp gauges
so so far i have not read anyone testing the 350 motors for oil temps
i bet its probably normal for the vq motor to have high oil temp

me personally im not really thinking about it that much
i dont track my car but i do drive it hard and have taken it to several canyon runs i think highest ive seen is 240/250 but it cooled down preety quickly
in so cali traffic(ive sat thru 2-3 hour traffic during the afternoon heat) im at 220-235

so for thos holding off purchasing thats your choice
i am very happy with mine

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Since when did it become cool to flame people for doing some research prior to buying? You know what would happen if someone bought a Z, then came onto this forum and expressed dismay at the oil temps? Some of you same people would probably flame him/her for not doing doing research prior to buying, and say that it's his/her own fault.

Case in point. Take this thread for instance: http://www.the370z.com/canada/5307-d...ould-i-do.html Guy up in Canada makes a post wondering if he got screwed. And look at one of the replies he got:

Now, had he posted some gripe prior to purchasing, you guys would label him a naysayer and accuse him of making up excuses to not buy. You'd tell him that if he can't say something nice, don't say anything at all, and then accuse him of just being jealous, etc. Talk about a no win situation.

For all - there is a sticky thread at the top of this forum section dedicated to the "oil overheating issue" with over 41 pages of posts - so please, let's not turn this thread into yet another "oil temperature" thread.

As for the "low sales numbers" I think some people are vastly over simplifying what makes sales numbers what they are; especially now as the new vehicle market for the world as well as the U.S. has been in truly uncharted waters for nearly a year and I would caution against making any assumptions about sales numbers right now no matter where they come from or what vehicles are involved.

Further, enthusiasts (of any make/model) like you and me also tend to grossly overestimate the amount of influence they carry; tending to think that if they are concerned about an issue the entire population of buyers/potential buyers must feel the same way or be equally concerned; this is simply rarely the case.

With that said, please understand that it's not my intent to discount legitimate feelings/concerns about the engine oil temperature on the 370Z but I doubt that more than one in one-thousand potential 370 buyers have either heard of this forum or of the "oil temp issue".

I guess I will add a little something for the people who haven't bought a Z and are weighing this issue. The last thing I want to do is discourage someone who wants a 370Z from buying one. much less 25 people. lol.

I have had my black 370Z for 5 months. I have 6000+ miles on the car. I live in Orlando FL. Its hot here, most days now we are in the 90s - 95, 96 etc. I drive 60 miles a day. approx 10 miles of that is in bumper to bumper 5 mph traffic. when the traffic is moving I occasionally (not often) forget and have the car in 5th or even 4th gear on the highway. As I approach my home I hit 5-7 miles of open road and I drive it hard. I drive it hard whenever I get the chance.

My car has never reached 260 oil temp. not even close to be honest with you.

IMO unless you are going to track the car, its a non-issue. I have yet to have this issue affect me and I am the farthest thing from a conservative driver. I also am not going to track my daily driver so its a total non-issue for me. When they offer it, and they will I bet, I will probably buy the NISMO cooler just for peace of mind, but IMO its not needed for most daily driven cars. I can't imagine many places hotter than Orlando FL, probably Arizona.

I love my 370Z. Its been fun since day 1. I don't regret getting it at all even if they never offer an oil cooler. Track guys may feel different.

Don't worry I'm still going to buy one. I'll put an oil cooler on there if i have to. Its not like there isn't a solution to the problem anyways.

Not buying a car because of somthing so simple as hot oil does nothing but cause you to miss out on somthing that will most likely be better than w/e you choose.

Especially when the warranty will take over if any major problems come from it.

Agreed. While I'm hoping Nissan will address the issue it would have absolutely no bearing as to whether I bought the car or not. In the grand scheme of things this is a very minor issue. The cost/performaance/looks of the vehicle IMHO are an incredible value not to mention the long history of the line itself. I think the car is along the same stature as the 240Z and the 300ZXTT. I'm also enjoying the rarity of the vehicle although it would be nice to have a few more local enthusiest

so you are letting a 500$ fix hold you back from getting a 30k+ car... I would not care...

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And BTW, since there seems to be some need to have multiple threads on this topic, I'll repost here what I said elsewhere on June 1.

You shouldn't have to buy an extra product, for an item you've purchased, just to get the reassurance, that it will function properly!

Nissan should have installed/included the oil cooler!


Your A/C fan helps keep the temperature down!

Assuming that's true is there something wrong with that?

The car's coolant system does not run excessively hot. Usually 185-186 under most conditions. Surprisingly cool actually.. Hot oil will also raise the water temps a bit but Generally 195 is the hottest I've seen while moving and it was echoed by an oil temp of 210. Stop and go may bump that to 200 but rarely hotter. There does not seem to be that much thermal transfer between the oil and water system. The cooling system is pretty robust from what I've seen and regulates itself well. The thermostatically triggered fan (if you leave the car sit idling with the AC off) will come on at 212 degrees and turn off at 202 FWIW...

No

it's more like this


"so you are letting a 500$ fix and voiding the warranty hold you back from getting a 30k+ car... I would not care..."

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:owned:

these posts win the thread.

haha it seems like my "25" got quite a few people's attn. I'm glad it served its purpose well. My father owns a used car dealership but tons of people (including young guys and gals) come to him for new car advice as well because of his honesty. 25 is actually a VERY underestimated figure. Cheers fellas.

It's probably more like 26 or 27 by now! :)

no response on this so far... i'd love to see these numbers too!

semtex, your posts are consistently among the best on this forum. kudos and +rep for repeated education, logic, and entertainment!! :tup:

f- the oil temp issues, i just want my drivers seat to stay still..:tup:

reply of the year. period.:happydance:

Thanks, but I can't take credit. It's the Vicodin speaking. (just kidding) :rolleyes:

Errrrr...We were laughing AT you, not WITH you...

Take your Kill story back to the S2K kids forum and be a Hero..
I'd be insecure too if my car just went out of production..

http://images26.fotki.com/v890/photo...freeway-vi.gif

haha WE as in you and your imaginary friends i'm assuming. Tsk tsk quite an enthusiast you are. S2k has nothing to do with anything.

tbone: why anyone would chose to advertise the fact that they've convinced upwards of 25 people not to buy a car on a forum intended for use by fans of that vehicle is beyond me

modshack: if you don't believe his claim that's cool, but there's no need to be insulting... although, the S2K forum hero comment was funny (sorry tbone)

now lets move on, shall we?

This is ostensibly a forum for the Nissan 370Z and its enthusiasts and at least on most enthusiast's forums, members generally don't gleefully bash the car the forum members are supposed to be enthusiastic about.

Legitimate and constructive complaints, observations, etc. I would hope would be encouraged here. At the same time, cheering over low sales numbers (as if those doing so actually understand the numbers or the nuisances of new car sales) or someone bragging that they've personally convinced 25 people to not buy a 370 should at least, in my always humble opinion, be discouraged and, hopefully, be called out for being as childish and and short-sighted as they are.

Perhaps those who do such cheering and boasting would prefer that there were not a 370Z at all? If they keep it up perhaps they'll get their wish. I'm also certain (in fact I know all too well) that there are any number of enthusiasts forums out there who's members would like nothing better than to see the 370Z be a failure - perhaps one of those forums would be a better "fit" for those doing the cheering/bragging???

Well said Mr. Nash.:tup:

Robert, with all due respect, I think you're misrepresenting tbonesteak's views. You make it sound as though tbonesteak is a hater who is celebrating the low sales volume for the sake of fueling some misguided hate for the Z, when the truth of the matter is that he made his statement in direct reference to the hot oil issue. It's not like he wrote "Sales are down! Ha ha! Nyah Nyah!" He explicitly stated that he hopes "the reduction in sales is due to people finding out about the hot oil and holding off til Nissan fixes the prob." Likewise, you want to 'call him out' for being childish over his claim that he has discouraged 25 people from buying the Z, but you fail to mention/appreciate that his discouragement of others from purchasing the Z is directly tied to this hot oil issue. I guess what I'm trying to say is that you're pulling his remarks out of context. Neglecting/omitting the context leaves one with the impression that he's out there talking people out of buying the Z in a contextual vacuum, i.e., he's doing it just for the heck of it, for no good or particular reason.

If we look at his post objectively, I think it's pretty plain that his motivation is in wanting Nissan Corporate to step up and fix what he perceives to be a legitimate problem. Now, I know some may argue that it's not a real problem, but that's neither here nor there. The salient point here is that, at least in my personal view, he's done what he's done (or claims to have done) with good intentions, not harmful ones. Indeed, you say that legitimate/constructive complaints should be encouraged. Well, the last time I checked, we were living in America, and in America, there's the saying that consumers vote with their wallets. If a company chooses not to do the right thing, they should suffer the consequences of lost sales. That's the consumer voting with his/her wallet. That's America and whatever remnants we have left of a free-market system working as it should. And that, in my opinion, is both legitimate and constructive.

Respectfully, just my :twocents:

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<o></o>Let’s be clear; while tbonesteak is the only one who has laid claim to persuading 25 people not to buy a 370, he is not the only poster in this thread who has, motivations aside, seem to be pleased with what is perceived as a bad sales report nor was he the only person my comments were directed toward.

<o></o>Speaking of motivations, unless you know him well/personally, I would suggest the you don’t know what his motivations are any more than I do; I can only go by what I read in his posts and the information he has posted about himself. To be blunt, I find it odd that he would feel compelled to encourage people to buy something other than a 370 because of a possible problem that, as a non-370Z owner, can't affect him.

I discuss my 370 with people all the time - I'm honest about what I like and don't like about my vehicle...I'm honest about the oil temp issue - I tell them what I know and let them make an informed decision and I certainly don't encourage them to buy something from another manufacturer.

<o></o>As to the “hot oil issue”; I would submit that the only definitive statement one could make about it is that if a person is going to regularly track their car they need an engine oil cooler (as did the 350 for that matter and as would most vehicles). Beyond that, the problem seems to be very unpredictable and let’s be clear about this as well; all the “evidence” we have about the problem is circumstantial and anecdotal – I’ve seen nothing definitive about the issue…nothing based on scientific observation or testing done under controlled conditions. For that matter, I’ve not seen anything truly definitive even regarding the basic question of “how hot is TOO hot”!

<o></o>So no, I don’t agree that I’m misrepresenting his words; their meaning seems pretty clear to me and they are…
<o></o> Encouraging people to buy from other manufacturers doesn’t sound to me as if he is encouraging people to “hold off” on buying a new Z nor does it sound to me as if he has Nissan’s or the 370’s best interest in mind. If is intentions are to encourage Nissan to “fix” what he believes is a problem one would think getting those 25 people to call Nissan customer service or to go to their Nissan dealer and explain why they aren’t buying a new 370 would be more effective.

This is still a (somewhat) free country and people have the right to badmouth the 370 or any other car to their heart's content - I wasn't questioning his "right" to say what he wants for whatever reason he wants. But, his right to do so doesn't negate my right to say that I believe his actions/words, even if well intentioned, are childish and short-sighted.

<o></o>No…while not directed only at Mr. tbone, I stand by my earlier post. If that is offensive to anyone then I’m sorry.