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NotmyGTR 06-03-2009 07:38 PM

True
 
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Originally Posted by Modshack (Post 83174)
Peeps here can't read the owners manual...You expect them to read the fuel flap door??......:rofl2:

Point seen....Money gone on that one my friend.

g96818 06-04-2009 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by lww (Post 84096)
All higher octane gas lets you do is advance the timing which can increase the torque generated by starting the combustion process earlier on the compression stroke without detonation.

are you high? if i'm reading this right, u're saying to ignite the fuel before TDC so that force will be applied to the piston head in the opposite direction of travel :ugh:

if that's what u mean then just use low quality gas so the fuel mixture detonates prior to TDC. u want to ignite the fuel right after TDC as the piston moves back down to get the maximum amount of force applied, the high octane fuel allows you to achieve that high compression ratio at TDC without self detonation.

now idk how this new system works, but i'm figuring that if it does adjust then all it's doing is igniting the fuel mixture prior to detonation, since a control ignition is safer than a uncontroled explosion. since it ignites prior to TDC, the force is pushing against the piston, which would naturally decrease the output.

are u familiar with PV=nRT? V, n, and R are constants so as pressure increases in the cylinder, temp increases also. Low octane ignites at lower pressure/compression and high octane ignites at a higher pressure/compresion. actually V is a variable, but if we take it at TDC, it's a constant.

if i remember correctly, regular is used for compression < 8.5psi, 8.5 < plus < 10, 10 < premium < 12 or something like that.

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Originally Posted by lww (Post 84096)
Essentially, there's no additional energy available in the air/fuel mixture, it's simply how it's being used that results in the generation of more power.

agreed

ChrisSlicks 06-04-2009 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by g96818 (Post 84368)
are you high? if i'm reading this right, u're saying to ignite the fuel before TDC so that force will be applied to the piston head in the opposite direction of travel :ugh:

Yes, you ignite the fuel before TDC. It takes time for the spark to ignite the fuel and complete the burn, so with a piston traveling at 150mph you must account for this delay and fire early. Obviously the goal is as you described, to have maximum gas expansion right after TDC, but to get there you have to start before.

jakoye 06-04-2009 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Cypress (Post 83515)
So if I am reading this right, "if" the dealer put in Regular gas, it won't damage anything, but I got confused on one thing? Will the ECU permanently reset the timing or just while that gas is being used to compensate for knock?

Why would the dealer put regular gas in it?

Wait, did I just ask that question? ;)

Modshack 06-04-2009 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 84415)
Yes, you ignite the fuel before TDC. It takes time for the spark to ignite the fuel and complete the burn, so with a piston traveling at 150mph you must account for this delay and fire early. Obviously the goal is as you described, to have maximum gas expansion right after TDC, but to get there you have to start before.

:iagree: Which is why Premium fuel has a slower burn rate. Allows for more timing advance..

lww 06-05-2009 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by g96818 (Post 84368)
are you high?

Yes... yes I am.

LennyZCSD 03-23-2013 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by leepeen (Post 82904)
When i picked up my 370z at the dealership, they've also filled my Z's tank with 89

octane gas, eventhough the minimum recommendation for octane usage is 91. :mad:

However, i don't think it damaged my engine at all, but i can ensure you that when you

fill your Z's tank with 91 octane, you can feel minor improvement compare to 89.(only if

you are extreamly sensitive person.)Personally, i put premium gas(94octane) everytime i

fill my Z's tank, and i can feel way better power than 89 octane. Occasionally, i put

Lucas octane booster with premium gas(94), which it might be raise the octane number

up to 98(approxi), and it makes me think that i've moded my Z

eventhough it's 100% stock. Just opinion :p

Dealers are BS,,, I caught them going to put in oil from a barrel in my Z on an oil change, Put a quick stop to that. I am glad I always hang around when someone it messing with my Z

KERMIT 03-23-2013 10:46 PM

This will require a bit more explanation... But

If you are running MBT timing and have margin before you are knock limited, then you can safely run a lower octane fuel. However, this may be easy at light loads but at higher loads (and especially at low speed) knock will occur. Once your knock sensors detect it, timing will be retarded and engine efficiency will be reduced. All in an effort to save your engine.

122554 03-23-2013 11:14 PM

You paid how much for your Z and you're worried about a couple of $$ per tank?

dP3NGU1N 03-24-2013 12:52 AM

It's always fun to see a four year old argument get brought back to life....

nmjaxx9 03-24-2013 04:31 PM

if you not fillin her up with 93 then you are taking shortcuts. :icon17:

b15 03-24-2013 05:36 PM

I had a VQ in my '08 Altima and always ran it on premium. Will be doing the same for the Z too. The difference in only about $4-5 per fill up which shouldn't break the bank considering the price tag of the Z...


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