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ImportConvert 02-22-2012 06:25 PM

The hell of trying to get into a 370Z
 
*rant*

I want a Coupe/Sport/Touring/NAV/Manual 2012 370Z. Preferably in Gun Metallic.

It's a simple request--a simple car--low $40's MSRP--pedestrian brand--

Yet I cannot find one. I had found one at a sponsoring dealer, and had everything worked out--only to discover when I spoke further with my bank today, that I would have to pay TTL on it when I got it to Louisiana. Where, if I trade my Z06 IN-state, I won't have to pay TT&L on it. I will get tax credit.

That's nearly $3500 increase.

I want the car, and that dealer has it coming in, but there is no way I am going to tack $3500 onto the tag "just cause' I gotta have it!" Especially with that money going to the welfare in my state. NO.

*frustration*

Looks like it's up to a local dealer. :ugh2:

Red__Zed 02-22-2012 06:29 PM

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TerribleONE 02-22-2012 06:30 PM

:inoutroflpuke:

ImportConvert 02-22-2012 06:31 PM

It will happen...

*patience*

*watching paint dry agonizing*

How the hell can obtaining a relatively cheap car made by a regular high-volume car company like this be such a beast!? *frustration*

shadoquad 02-22-2012 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1559313)
*rant*

I want a Coupe/Sport/Touring/NAV/Manual 2012 370Z. Preferably in Gun Metallic.

It's a simple request--a simple car--low $40's MSRP--pedestrian brand--

Yet I cannot find one. I had found one at a sponsoring dealer, and had everything worked out--only to discover when I spoke further with my bank today, that I would have to pay TTL on it when I got it to Louisiana. Where, if I trade my Z06 IN-state, I won't have to pay TT&L on it. I will get tax credit.

That's nearly $3500 increase.

I want the car, and that dealer has it coming in, but there is no way I am going to tack $3500 onto the tag "just cause' I gotta have it!" Especially with that money going to the welfare in my state. NO.

*frustration*

Looks like it's up to a local dealer. :ugh2:

I'm a little confused. Are you currently situated in Louisiana? If so, did you not expect to pay TTL? Was that part of the deal you made with the dealership? Or is this because they're not giving you tax off on the trade-in?

Either way, I'm sorry that it's causing you this much grief. I wish you luck. Hope you find exactly what you want and soon.

ImportConvert 02-22-2012 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1559340)
I'm a little confused. Are you currently situated in Louisiana? If so, did you not expect to pay TTL? Was that part of the deal you made with the dealership? Or is this because they're not giving you tax off on the trade-in?

Either way, I'm sorry that it's causing you this much grief. I wish you luck. Hope you find exactly what you want and soon.

I bought my Z06 in LA last year.

If I trade it in LA, the state gives me tax credit and I do not have to pay TT&L on the car I trade for if it is of lesser value, just paperwork to the dealership to file for my tags.

If I trade my car OUT of state, I will have to pay TT&L IN-STATE for the car I bring back.

That adds about $3500 to the 370Z. Unacceptable considering that money doesn't have to be spent, and won't go toward principal.

I was confused, too, until I spoke with the bank.

shadoquad 02-22-2012 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1559344)
I bought my Z06 in LA last year.

If I trade it in LA, the state gives me tax credit and I do not have to pay TT&L on the car I trade for if it is of lesser value, just paperwork to the dealership to file for my tags.

If I trade my car OUT of state, I will have to pay TT&L IN-STATE for the car I bring back.

That adds about $3500 to the 370Z. Unacceptable considering that money doesn't have to be spent, and won't go toward principal.

I was confused, too, until I spoke with the bank.

Ah, I see the rub now. Yes, that is very annoying. Any chance of getting the car transferred? I mean, it may still be additional cost, but may be less than 3500 if they're willing to do it. Still, on principle, you shouldn't have to pay a dime.

Red__Zed 02-22-2012 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1559344)
I bought my Z06 in LA last year.

If I trade it in LA, the state gives me tax credit and I do not have to pay TT&L on the car I trade for if it is of lesser value, just paperwork to the dealership to file for my tags.

If I trade my car OUT of state, I will have to pay TT&L IN-STATE for the car I bring back.

That adds about $3500 to the 370Z. Unacceptable considering that money doesn't have to be spent, and won't go toward principal.

I was confused, too, until I spoke with the bank.


yeah, Alabama has similar laws.

Have you looked into a dealer swap? Shouldn't be too tough to negotiate.

ImportConvert 02-22-2012 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1559353)
yeah, Alabama has similar laws.

Have you looked into a dealer swap? Shouldn't be too tough to negotiate.

That is what I am hoping my dealer can arrange with someone in their network. Put some pressure on them today. Will see what shakes out.

Yes, LA is one of...those...states. Weird laws.

Polymorphic 02-22-2012 06:56 PM

You can just transfer one to a local dealer, I'm in the SW and I looked into a transfer from the NE and it was 1500. Ended up finding one local but I'm just saying 1500 < 3500 if you're in a rush.

cossie1600 02-22-2012 07:08 PM

Is this a LA thing? I traded my 350Z in for my Corvette in MA, I was able to get the tax credit even though I was out of state.

kenchan 02-22-2012 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1559331)

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ImportConvert 02-22-2012 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 1559427)
Is this a LA thing? I traded my 350Z in for my Corvette in MA, I was able to get the tax credit even though I was out of state.

It is how the bank explained it to me.

UNKNOWN_370 02-22-2012 11:11 PM

Honestly import, all this time I told you that it will be best to order. I went through a very similar storry as you and if I had to do it all over again I would have just ordered my car. I didn't go through it once, I went through it twice... and I was way more flexible than you. The only thing I was sure of was auto sport. I had 3 different colors. Base or touring was up in the air pending on how a dealer deals. I personally feel navs have no place in sports cars so I didn't want one...
You would think my flexibility would have gotten me a Z fairly quick. Its an agonizing experience. And from experience I'm telling you... living in this deep south 5 state hellhole of car purchasing... ORDER! You will be so much happier.

shadoquad 02-22-2012 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1559978)
Honestly import, all this time I told you that it will be best to order. I went through a very similar storry as you and if I had to do it all over again I would have just ordered my car. I didn't go through it once, I went through it twice... and I was way more flexible than you. The only thing I was sure of was auto sport. I had 3 different colors. Base or touring was up in the air pending on how a dealer deals. I personally feel navs have no place in sports cars so I didn't want one...
You would think my flexibility would have gotten me a Z fairly quick. Its an agonizing experience. And from experience I'm telling you... living in this deep south 5 state hellhole of car purchasing... ORDER! You will be so much happier.

Good advice

ImportConvert 02-23-2012 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1559978)
Honestly import, all this time I told you that it will be best to order. I went through a very similar storry as you and if I had to do it all over again I would have just ordered my car. I didn't go through it once, I went through it twice... and I was way more flexible than you. The only thing I was sure of was auto sport. I had 3 different colors. Base or touring was up in the air pending on how a dealer deals. I personally feel navs have no place in sports cars so I didn't want one...
You would think my flexibility would have gotten me a Z fairly quick. Its an agonizing experience. And from experience I'm telling you... living in this deep south 5 state hellhole of car purchasing... ORDER! You will be so much happier.

I went all the way to the top of Nissan Corporate (USA) through a snake-maze of 800 numbers and found out that my dealership was being dead-honest. They cannot order the car, and noone in my area can, either. Either Nissan USA is "in on it", or Nissan just works VERY differently than any other car company I am used to.

I want NAV, because to me, the 370Z Touring...is a Touring car. No, not on the level than an Aston Martin is or something, but it's definitely more luxurious than many others. I kindof think of it as a 911 Lite.

Further, the NAV adds many other "cool" things other than Zagat restaurant review. Apparently, it adds an ungodly air of exclusivity!

flashburn 02-23-2012 06:59 AM

What the hell, why are you trading in your Z06 for a 370Z? Seems like such a downgrade, in everything but interior quality.

ImportConvert 02-23-2012 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by flashburn (Post 1560236)
What the hell, why are you trading in your Z06 for a 370Z? Seems like such a downgrade, in everything but interior quality.

I addressed this ad nauseum previously. Cliff-notes:


-Saving $500 a month in note/insurance to put toward property I am buying in a year.

-I am moving in less than a year and will probably make less and want to continue to save at the same rate.

-My time at Spring Mountain Motorsports taught me that unless I track my Z06, I will never scratch the potential it has to offer unless I do something stupid and beyond "normal" illegal.

-I realized I was paying for performance I will not use, while suffering with an interior that I will ALWAYS use. So instead, I will enjoy an interior I will always use, ans suffer performance that I will rarely use.

When looked at from a "mine is bigger!" standpoint, it's a poor decision. However, when viewed financially, as well as practically, regarding MY personal use for the car (cruising, spirited driving through twisties), it makes more sense by far. I wanted a supercar, I bought one, I owned it for a year, and I can check that off my bucket list. :driving:

flashburn 02-23-2012 07:38 AM

lol, sorry, I didn't get my "ImportConvert" newsletter for the month yet. Your reasons are definitely sound.

ImportConvert 02-23-2012 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by flashburn (Post 1560278)
lol, sorry, I didn't get my "ImportConvert" newsletter for the month yet. Your reasons are definitely sound.

It was an epic 21 page thread with nearly 6,000 views...

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...6-vs-370z.html

Rockcrawler 02-23-2012 08:22 AM

I feel your pain, used to be that way in AR, now you just need an affidavit/bill of sale that you sold the other vehicle +/- 45 days from your new car purchase.... gives you more wiggle room.

surely you could wash that exact deal throgh a local dealer for a $500 processing fee?

ImportConvert 02-23-2012 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockcrawler (Post 1560327)
I feel your pain, used to be that way in AR, now you just need an affidavit/bill of sale that you sold the other vehicle +/- 45 days from your new car purchase.... gives you more wiggle room.

surely you could wash that exact deal throgh a local dealer for a $500 processing fee?

Going to give local dealer a call today and see what they have for me.

Streetlife 02-23-2012 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1559978)
Honestly import, all this time I told you that it will be best to order. I went through a very similar storry as you and if I had to do it all over again I would have just ordered my car. I didn't go through it once, I went through it twice... and I was way more flexible than you. The only thing I was sure of was auto sport. I had 3 different colors. Base or touring was up in the air pending on how a dealer deals. I personally feel navs have no place in sports cars so I didn't want one...
You would think my flexibility would have gotten me a Z fairly quick. Its an agonizing experience. And from experience I'm telling you... living in this deep south 5 state hellhole of car purchasing... ORDER! You will be so much happier.

That's what i did. My girl will be here on March 14,2012, ordered September 2,2011. Like unknown said, i thought my options would be easy to come by (Auto,sport package, splash guards, all the mats, illuminated kick plates) but the color I wanted has become rare too. Monterey Blue. I've noticed touring is what Nissan makes the most of (Common colors like brilliant silver,magnetic black, pearl white) , not specifically what i wanted for my 370Z. Nissan already doesn't produce a lot of 370Z's because of the impracticalness of them, and the economy (sports cars really are looked at as disposable income items every time there's an economic downturn). Trust me, just order and you can do this, the key is patience.:happydance:

ImportConvert 02-23-2012 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Streetlife (Post 1560404)
That's what i did. My girl will be here on March 14,2012, ordered September 2,2011. Like unknown said, i thought my options would be easy to come by (Auto,sport package, splash guards, all the mats, illuminated kick plates) but the color I wanted has become rare too. Monterey Blue. I've noticed touring is what Nissan makes the most of (Common colors like brilliant silver,magnetic black, pearl white) , not specifically what i wanted for my 370Z. Nissan already doesn't produce a lot of 370Z's because of the impracticalness of them, and the economy (sports cars really are looked at as disposable income items every time there's an economic downturn). Trust me, just order and you can do this, the key is patience.:happydance:

I physically CANNOT ORDER this car. The dealership tried 2 times already and got rejected or something. I confirmed this with Nissan USA customer service, and they pulled the dealership information and confirmed that yes, they were being straight with me. So unless the dealership has them on a pay-roll or something, yes, that is true. Nissan apparently is NOT! like Ford or GM where you can just waltz in and order something. I have trouble wrapping my mind around it, but everyone confirms that this is true.

Will see if they have something in their network, though. It's possible I guess.

m4a1mustang 02-23-2012 09:27 AM

Hey IC, I think you should go and order the car. :p

Mt Tam I am 02-23-2012 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1560263)

When looked at from a "mine is bigger!" standpoint, it's a poor decision. However, when viewed financially, as well as practically, regarding MY personal use for the car (cruising, spirited driving through twisties), it makes more sense by far. I wanted a supercar, I bought one, I owned it for a year, and I can check that off my bucket list. :driving:

How is the Z06 through the twisties vs the 370, in your opinion?

I only use my NAV for the music box function. The delta for your new Z without NAV plus $3500 fee is close to $5,000. No way on earth is the NAV worth that kind of money. Get one without and buy a used or aftermarket NAV.

$5K+ is quite a bit towards your property note.

Streetlife 02-23-2012 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1560430)
I physically CANNOT ORDER this car. The dealership tried 2 times already and got rejected or something. I confirmed this with Nissan USA customer service, and they pulled the dealership information and confirmed that yes, they were being straight with me. So unless the dealership has them on a pay-roll or something, yes, that is true. Nissan apparently is NOT! like Ford or GM where you can just waltz in and order something. I have trouble wrapping my mind around it, but everyone confirms that this is true.

Will see if they have something in their network, though. It's possible I guess.

Sounds like that's what you'll have to do. Nissan is very particular down there in Tochigi. I didn't hear that Nissan accepted my order until late November, they had my salesman call me an tell me that my girl was being built in December. Good luck, i'm sure you'll find the one you want.

ImportConvert 02-23-2012 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 1560509)
How is the Z06 through the twisties vs the 370, in your opinion?

I only use my NAV for the music box function. The delta for your new Z without NAV plus $3500 fee is close to $5,000. No way on earth is the NAV worth that kind of money. Get one without and buy a used or aftermarket NAV.

$5K+ is quite a bit towards your property note.

I don't have a Z to compare to my Z06 yet.

Also, I don't really need a sports car--I want one. Same with the NAV.

DWS44 02-23-2012 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1560263)
I addressed this ad nauseum previously. Cliff-notes:


-Saving $500 a month in note/insurance to put toward property I am buying in a year.

-I am moving in less than a year and will probably make less and want to continue to save at the same rate.

-My time at Spring Mountain Motorsports taught me that unless I track my Z06, I will never scratch the potential it has to offer unless I do something stupid and beyond "normal" illegal.

-I realized I was paying for performance I will not use, while suffering with an interior that I will ALWAYS use. So instead, I will enjoy an interior I will always use, ans suffer performance that I will rarely use.

When looked at from a "mine is bigger!" standpoint, it's a poor decision. However, when viewed financially, as well as practically, regarding MY personal use for the car (cruising, spirited driving through twisties), it makes more sense by far. I wanted a supercar, I bought one, I owned it for a year, and I can check that off my bucket list. :driving:

I can sympathize. I just moved from a 2010 Grand Sport, which was my second Vette, into my 370Z roadster. Loved Vettes since I was old enough to say the word, but decided it was a good time to step back from the giant payments for a little while. Had a 350Z Roadster before the first Vette, so I knew they were a lot of fun too, plus, like you mentioned, the Z interior is pretty darn sweet. I was shocked how much nicer the 370 interior was, even over the 350 I had.

Like you, it was a struggle to find exactly what I wanted in this area. Original plan was for a new one, but then by pure luck, someone traded in a 2010 roadster that was EXACTLY what I wanted, and was still in great shape. Decided to let them eat the depreciation for a change! :icon17:

Hope you track one down too! :tup:

UNKNOWN_370 02-23-2012 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Streetlife (Post 1560404)
That's what i did. My girl will be here on March 14,2012, ordered September 2,2011. Like unknown said, i thought my options would be easy to come by (Auto,sport package, splash guards, all the mats, illuminated kick plates) but the color I wanted has become rare too. Monterey Blue. I've noticed touring is what Nissan makes the most of (Common colors like brilliant silver,magnetic black, pearl white) , not specifically what i wanted for my 370Z. Nissan already doesn't produce a lot of 370Z's because of the impracticalness of them, and the economy (sports cars really are looked at as disposable income items every time there's an economic downturn). Trust me, just order and you can do this, the key is patience.:happydance:

Oh god... that's the color I wanted. That was the first thing I gave up on. A year without finding a Z that had auto sport and mblue. I gave up. Lol. Then I tried on the second car for 3 months... and gave up. I now actuqlly found three now that I have my GM. Lol

UNKNOWN_370 02-23-2012 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWS44 (Post 1560862)
I can sympathize. I just moved from a 2010 Grand Sport, which was my second Vette, into my 370Z roadster. Loved Vettes since I was old enough to say the word, but decided it was a good time to step back from the giant payments for a little while. Had a 350Z Roadster before the first Vette, so I knew they were a lot of fun too, plus, like you mentioned, the Z interior is pretty darn sweet. I was shocked how much nicer the 370 interior was, even over the 350 I had.

Like you, it was a struggle to find exactly what I wanted in this area. Original plan was for a new one, but then by pure luck, someone traded in a 2010 roadster that was EXACTLY what I wanted, and was still in great shape. Decided to let them eat the depreciation for a change! :icon17:

Hope you track one down too! :tup:


Lol... damn when you are saying the 350 interior was nice... you KNOW vette interiors SUCK!!! :inoutroflpuke::roflpuke2:

ImportConvert 02-23-2012 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1560956)
Lol... damn when you are saying the 350 interior was nice... you KNOW vette interiors SUCK!!! :inoutroflpuke::roflpuke2:

My Z06 interior is similar to what is found in a Cobalt, just with better sears and steering-wheel wrap and a soft-touch dash.

Dwight Frye 02-23-2012 05:50 PM

I thought the OP was trying to describe getting into a Z in a one car garage with a washer & dryer on the right side of the garage. It takes a bit of a contortionist.

kenchan 02-23-2012 05:52 PM

i was thinking importcovert was so frikken fat he couldn't get inside... but then he can get into a Z01... and a G20 so there was initial confusion. :icon17:

ImportConvert 02-23-2012 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1561601)
i was thinking importcovert was so frikken fat he couldn't get inside... but then he can get into a Z01... and a G20 so there was initial confusion. :icon17:

I'm currently around 11-12% body-fat. Not as cut as I used to be, but getting there. Coming off of a bulk. I wouldn't call myself "fat", though, lol

DWS44 02-23-2012 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1560956)
Lol... damn when you are saying the 350 interior was nice... you KNOW vette interiors SUCK!!! :inoutroflpuke::roflpuke2:

:icon17:

Well...honestly, I meant the comparison between the 350 & 370 interiors. I didn't hate on the Vette interior as much as some folks do, other than the plain generic steering wheel in the Vette, which was always a let down, IMO. They made it a little nicer starting in 2012, but still the same basic wheel.

If I was ranking the three interiors, best to worst, I'd say 370 best, then Vette, then 350. :tup:

nmjaxx9 02-24-2012 12:52 AM

Dam so have you tried cars.com, honestly thats how I found my Z when every dealership in CT told me that they didn't have any color except Black Cherry in the whole New England area...then I found my red Z i NJ. lol

alcheng 02-24-2012 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1561601)
i was thinking importcovert was so frikken fat he couldn't get inside... but then he can get into a Z01... and a G20 so there was initial confusion. :icon17:

Who knows did importconvert remove Both the driver's and passenger's seats in order to get in.....:driving:

You know Mr.kenchan, you NEVER know what's on the other side of the internet... :eek:

LOL

Mr.importconvert, jk jk :tiphat:


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