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Cuda1337 02-12-2012 08:44 AM

Feature differences on Base vs Sport vs Touring on 7AT.
 
I am looking at buying a 2009-2010 7at 370z. Initially I had determined that I only wanted the touring w/sport model. I'm starting to second guess myself now and am a little bit confused. I figured you guys would be able to clear it up real quick for me.


From what I understand, the sport package adds an limited slip differential, spoilers (front and rear) and better breaks?

The touring adds in addition to that power seats, leather and heated seats, bose audio and a better headunit?


The differences between 09 and '10 models are very minor, if I'm not mistaken.


All models have the downshift assistance and none of the 7at's use the synchrorev, correct?



Assuming my information is accurate, it would seem to me that my best bet is to get the base model, add a rear spoiler for looks and replace the head unit inside with a nice touch screen system. The only major things I'd be missing out on doing that is the LSD and better breaks. It'd be nice to have the leather seats, but not a must. What else am I missing?


Thanks for the help!

UNKNOWN_370 02-12-2012 09:09 AM

Honestly dude, Nissan Cars, Trucks, Crossovers, & SUVs | Nissan USA breaks this down perfectly. No confusion. You won't pay too much difference compared to buying new, the price margin on new is like $5k But here are some answers and opinions.

Both sport models have LSD.
Yes, you're not getting anything but interior appearance upgrade for 5k extra and replacing a sh1tty stereo for another slightly less sh1tty stereo.

Imho... power seats aren't necessary in a 2 seat non-reclining sports car.
The premium of the touring pkg would be better suited on some Recaro's, a JL sub/amp pkg, some BA Dls Or Rainbow components and a Kenwood or Alpine headunit.
You will pump 4x the wattage with NO DISTORTION. Both base and touring have distortion at high volumes, the bose hass a little more clarity because its paper cone sub is seperate from the component and the weak azz amp is available. Upgrading a touring model isound system will cost double in labor than base due to the system being really ground in to the car. (More work)

Mt Tam I am 02-12-2012 09:47 AM

The least obvious reason for having power seats is so you can easily readjust the passenger seat to see out the right port hole window for checking blind spot.

RE: All models have the downshift assistance and none of the 7at's use the synchrorev, correct? SRM in manual sport certainly, but unclear about auto's, They talk about it in reviews, but I pay little attention as I am so prejudiced.

Cuda1337 02-12-2012 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1539359)
Honestly dude, Nissan Cars, Trucks, Crossovers, & SUVs | Nissan USA breaks this down perfectly. No confusion. You won't pay too much difference compared to buying new, the price margin on new is like $5k But here are some answers and opinions.

Both sport models have LSD.
Yes, you're not getting anything but interior appearance upgrade for 5k extra and replacing a sh1tty stereo for another slightly less sh1tty stereo.

Imho... power seats aren't necessary in a 2 seat non-reclining sports car.
The premium of the touring pkg would be better suited on some Recaro's, a JL sub/amp pkg, some BA Dls Or Rainbow components and a Kenwood or Alpine headunit.
You will pump 4x the wattage with NO DISTORTION. Both base and touring have distortion at high volumes, the bose hass a little more clarity because its paper cone sub is seperate from the component and the weak azz amp is available. Upgrading a touring model isound system will cost double in labor than base due to the system being really ground in to the car. (More work)


Thanks for the opinions. That's sort of what I was thinking, so it's good to hear someone reinforce it.

Thechidz 02-12-2012 10:09 AM

the sport package is worth it for the LSD and brakes along with the better 19" sport rays. The touring package is a nice option but not absolutely necessary. I do like the bluetooth phone accessories and the leather seats just make the interior much much better than stock.

Cuda1337 02-12-2012 10:16 AM

Bluetooth is worthless to me. Leather seats would be nice, but I can survive without them. The LSD and Brakes are the thing that I'm teetering about. I didn't have those on my 350z and this car is a daily driver for me, not a track car. I do like driving it somewhat hard though, so I'm not sure if this is something I will really notice/car about.

Felix 808 02-12-2012 10:30 AM

Well one thing about the touring package, is you get the home link auto dimming mirror, heated side mirrors. I see you live in FL, so who cars about that;) But with the leather seats you get more interior color options than just black which would go great in the FL summer :rolleyes:. As mentioned , the sport package is definitely worth it. It comes down to what you really want. & I say get the trim level you want, or otherwise you be wishing you did everyday you get in it.

:twocents:

Mt Tam I am 02-12-2012 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Cuda1337 (Post 1539447)
Bluetooth is worthless to me. Leather seats would be nice, but I can survive without them. The LSD and Brakes are the thing that I'm teetering about. I didn't have those on my 350z and this car is a daily driver for me, not a track car. I do like driving it somewhat hard though, so I'm not sure if this is something I will really notice/car about.

Agreed.

The sports package is the no brainer part. A great value. Touring is for guys like me who are older and softening.

I got everything. When folks complain later that they wish they had some option, I'm never in their boat.

Talk is cheap, :icon17: I also got mine for $32,900 so I got more for less.

Z_ealot 02-12-2012 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Felix 808 (Post 1539462)
Well one thing about the touring package, is you get the home link auto dimming mirror, heated side mirrors. I see you live in FL, so who cars about that;) But with the leather seats you get more interior color options than just black which would go great in the FL summer :rolleyes:. As mentioned , the sport package is definitely worth it. It comes down to what you really want. & I say get the trim level you want, or otherwise you be wishing you did everyday you get in it.

:twocents:

all Z's from MY10 and up get the heated side mirrors

pf62 02-12-2012 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 1539406)

RE: All models have the downshift assistance and none of the 7at's use the synchrorev, correct? SRM in manual sport certainly, but unclear about auto's, They talk about it in reviews, but I pay little attention as I am so prejudiced.

I think you must have at least sport package for rev match with manual. All 7at's have downshift rev match.

UNKNOWN_370 02-12-2012 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cuda1337 (Post 1539427)
Thanks for the opinions. That's sort of what I was thinking, so it's good to hear someone reinforce it.

No problem. :)

UNKNOWN_370 02-12-2012 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 1539406)
The least obvious reason for having power seats is so you can easily readjust the passenger seat to see out the right port hole window for checking blind spot.

RE: All models have the downshift assistance and none of the 7at's use the synchrorev, correct? SRM in manual sport certainly, but unclear about auto's, They talk about it in reviews, but I pay little attention as I am so prejudiced.

What you are saying is both right and wrong. Its right by definition but wrong as far as calling it a "LACK of a certain feature.
SRM is syncro rev match- when the ECU blips the throttle for you when downshifting. Also works in upshift. SRM has been around since 2009.
DRM is Downshift Rev Match- when the ECU blips the throttle for you in manual mode on auto transmission. Also works in upshift. DRM has been around for a decade.

The only reason why there's a difference in name is because one works for the auto and the other works for manual. Its the same shyt though.

bdavis89 02-12-2012 07:07 PM

All depends on what you want in your car. I was also considering the G37s, so I ended up opting for the 370z with touring, sport package and navi. My fiancee LOVES the heated seats, so that was worth it right there. In Florida anything but leather is suffocating, so I'm glad I got the leather. I haven't had it through a summer yet (got it in October), so we'll see how the suede inserts feel in a few months.

Anyways, the sport package is a MUST, for both appearance and performance. The touring depends on if you care about the luxuries.

Cyberium 02-12-2012 07:09 PM

I have Sport and Touring.

I could not live without the Sport.
I could live without Touring.

Hope that helps :)

bdavis89 02-12-2012 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1540020)
What you are saying is both right and wrong. Its right by definition but wrong as far as calling it a "LACK of a certain feature.
SRM is syncro rev match- when the ECU blips the throttle for you when downshifting. Also works in upshift. SRM has been around since 2009.
DRM is Downshift Rev Match- when the ECU blips the throttle for you in manual mode on auto transmission. Also works in upshift. DRM has been around for a decade.

The only reason why there's a difference in name is because one works for the auto and the other works for manual. Its the same shyt though.

Don't mean to jack the thread, but what is the "blip" when in manual mode? I have yet to hear this. Are you supposed to do something besides just downshifting the paddle or stick?

Cyberium 02-12-2012 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bdavis89 (Post 1540233)
Don't mean to jack the thread, but what is the "blip" when in manual mode? I have yet to hear this. Are you supposed to do something besides just downshifting the paddle or stick?

You know when you down shift, and your car rev's up the RPM's so you don't lose momentum? That's the "blip".

sonic370 02-12-2012 08:11 PM

As most have said before the sports package is the best choice for the money. you can always add the other stuff as you go. of course the first thing you wil rip out is the crappy sound system. it's got to be the worst in the car industry. the brakes and the rays alone are kick axx.............

UNKNOWN_370 02-12-2012 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyberium (Post 1540239)
You know when you down shift, and your car rev's up the RPM's so you don't lose momentum? That's the "blip".

Thank you :tup:

wilsonp 02-13-2012 12:26 AM

The sport package is worth it if you don't plan on heavy mods to your car - better brakes, VLSD, SRM for 6MT, spoiler, 19" wheels.

The Touring style is nice for a daily driver - seems like leather heated seats aren't a must for you, but the auto-dimming mirror, nicer stereo, aluminum trim pedals, XM satellite radio and its the only way to get Navigation. Again, depends on how much after market you plan to do.

UNKNOWN_370 02-13-2012 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by wilsonp (Post 1540826)
The sport package is worth it if you don't plan on heavy mods to your car - better brakes, VLSD, SRM for 6MT, spoiler, 19" wheels.

The Touring style is nice for a daily driver - seems like leather heated seats aren't a must for you, but the auto-dimming mirror, nicer stereo, aluminum trim pedals, XM satellite radio and its the only way to get Navigation. Again, depends on how much after market you plan to do.

Most of the base sports on the lots come with backup cams on the rear view which adds homelink and auto-dim/compass feature on the base models now. Or you can order it if the car isn't preequipped as a dealer installed option. Aluminum pedals can be found in a junkyard, sold here in the parts forum or can be ordered thru your dealer as a part item.

Amuse370z 02-13-2012 06:47 AM

Why is the sport package an absolute necessary? Its $4000 in Canada. I didn't get it because I planned to get the Amuse kit (no use for spoiler) and upgrade to 40th anniversary brakes as well as Volks.

Cuda1337 02-13-2012 07:38 AM

I actually have one other question, a bit off topic but since it's my thread I can hijack it myself!

I am very picky about the color. I was originally looking at just yellow or blue, but after browsing these forums a lot I've noticed a ton of people doing vinyl wraps. I've also seen quite a few pictures of orange or green painted Z's. (The green one I saw was fantastic).

My question, with these vinyl wraps becoming more popular, what's the average cost of doing that and is it durable enough to stay on for many years? If it's something I can put on my car for a few thousand and it'll be just like a new paint job, it may be worth while.

Thechidz 02-13-2012 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Amuse370z (Post 1540987)
Why is the sport package an absolute necessary? Its $4000 in Canada. I didn't get it because I planned to get the Amuse kit (no use for spoiler) and upgrade to 40th anniversary brakes as well as Volks.

it's only about 2k-2.5k in the states and its worth it for the brakes and LSD alone. the wheels and spoiler and other stuff is just bonus

UNKNOWN_370 02-13-2012 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Thechidz (Post 1541029)
it's only about 2k-2.5k in the states and its worth it for the brakes and LSD alone. the wheels and spoiler and other stuff is just bonus

Its $3030 in the states for the sport pkg.. There's the Nissan Cars, Trucks, Crossovers, & SUVs | Nissan USA website I posted right here before and I'm posting it again so you don't have to misinform people. Invoice price is about 2700.

To answer why it is a must. The tire and wheel setup bring the Z from .94g on the base model to approx 1g. The Lsd Is good for aggressive street and light track. Anything more it needs to be replaced. The rims are made by Rays Engineering, Japan's Premeire wheel maker. Aftermarket the rims alone are $540 each. The RE50A rubber around the Rays wheels are worth about $1400. Throw in a LSD and you saved a decent amount of cash. But it doesn't stop there...
Though the brakes need a brake cooling mod for heavy tracking, as well as new pads rotors and brake lines. They are extremely capable on the street. The Z has the shortest stopping time of all the affordable sports cars. 60-0 in 102ft. (103ft for 2009 &10models). On street duty, they never fade and the only mod necessary for street is the steel brake lines which can be bought through Z1 for about $115 give or take a few bucks.
For the track they will need a little more but its still very cost effective... Even with having to put about a grand in mods to the brakes for track excluding the brake cooling duct. Performace rivals. $4-5k brembo and stoptech brakes and are well worth the money and a little upgrading elbowgrease...
So $3030 gets you 14" 4 piston Akebono brakes, Rays Engineering (owns Volk) ultralightweight aluminum wheels 19x9F 19x10R and wrapped with high end rubber. You get the good for street LSD and a great look for your car. The stock wheels are highly unimpressive on this car.

gurneyeagle 02-13-2012 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 1539474)
................Touring is for guys like me who are older and softening....................

Tam - I don't think you know what old is yet! :hello:

Young whippersnapper.

Definition of old - when it hurts to go to sleep. I joined the club last year! :tiphat:

VCuomo 02-14-2012 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1541209)
...Though the brakes need a brake cooling mod for heavy tracking, as well as new pads rotors and brake lines. They are extremely capable on the street. ...the only mod necessary for street is the steel brake lines which can be bought through Z1 for about $115 give or take a few bucks...

So why are steel brake lines "necessary" for street use?

Mt Tam I am 02-14-2012 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by gurneyeagle (Post 1541493)
Tam - I don't think you know what old is yet! :hello:

Young whippersnapper.

Definition of old - when it hurts to go to sleep. I joined the club last year! :tiphat:



Ouch. Thanks. I'm not that old, true. It's Good to be young again. Old enough to be some 370Z drivers father, at any rate.

Young whippersnapper - I have not been accused of this for some time.

Streetlife 02-14-2012 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by VCuomo (Post 1543233)
So why are steel brake lines "necessary" for street use?

I was wondering the same thing, i heard of them being used for the track, not a necessity for the street. I heard that brake peddle feel is better with stainless steel, but not that dramatic, if so i'll order them right now? My z is supposed to be here by the end of the month.:happydance:

NYBladeZ 02-14-2012 02:40 PM

Bear in mind that the Z's brakes whether sport or standard tend to overheat at the track due to lack of cool ducts. I think steel lines help maintain consistent pedal feel but only when teamed with high temp fluid and better pads.

On the sport v. base issue. Think about it for anywhere between $3-4k you get some nice lightweight wheels, an lsd (crappy but functional), synchro rev on the m6's and a big set of brakes. If you did any of that in the aftermarket the wheels alone would be more so when it comes to bang for the buck the sport package rocks especially for the m6 guys, I love synchro rev.

UNKNOWN_370 02-14-2012 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Streetlife (Post 1543679)
I was wondering the same thing, i heard of them being used for the track, not a necessity for the street. I heard that brake peddle feel is better with stainless steel, but not that dramatic, if so i'll order them right now? My z is supposed to be here by the end of the month.:happydance:

To me, the pedal feel is much better. I don't know how dramatic you need the improvement to be but for me, I think its an awesome mod. But I have full mods on the brakes so the improvement is greater for me. Besides why would you want flexing in your lines??? Its just a great mod to ensure long term reliability.

LakeShow 02-14-2012 11:36 PM

Sport package is honestly the best bargain for 3k. You are getting so much it would cost you more to do it yourself. Figure just the 19 inch rims and the Bridgestone Potenzas alone are expensive. I really think if Nissan was really cruel they could've charged I think 5k for the option.

UNKNOWN_370 02-15-2012 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by LakeShow (Post 1544641)
Sport package is honestly the best bargain for 3k. You are getting so much it would cost you more to do it yourself. Figure just the 19 inch rims and the Bridgestone Potenzas alone are expensive. I really think if Nissan was really cruel they could've charged I think 5k for the option.


:iagree: but for $5k the brake cooling issue can't be there.

physics 11-28-2018 03:44 PM

I got the 2019 Z with the sport package and 6M transmission and I consider the sport pkg a great bargain for what you're getting. The 19" Rays wheels are pretty light, 23 lbs, for 19" wheels and I can live with them until I sell them when it comes time for new rubber. The price I would get for them would put a serious dent in the price of the ultra-lightweight Volks racing wheels I would eventually get.

nis350 11-28-2018 11:49 PM

the sport brake works quite well for normal street driving.

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1544674)
:iagree: but for $5k the brake cooling issue can't be there.


mishuko 11-29-2018 04:09 PM

The 18+ come with shiddy rays now.

Sport package for the bbk and srm. The brakes will work fine. If you gonna track then get some new track orienter pads + rbf600 (or better). The akebonos are more than adequate for what a NA z can throw.

Also can say oem pads worked quiet well on the tail. And i can tell you there were some hot corners. Tigger and i hit over 60mph a few times using his speed spoiler ad a guage.. and that was the take it easy run with him lol


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