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EazyD 12-29-2011 11:38 PM

Oil Temp .....too LOW on the 370Z?
 
After a 20-minute commute (backroads + highway), my temp is 170 degrees. Is that too cool? Is there any such thing?

Cold outside and running Mobil1 synthetic.
Thanks. I know nothing.

shumby 12-29-2011 11:47 PM

how cold is cold outside. on my 20 mins runs in the G i get up to 150-160 only

Jordo! 12-30-2011 01:26 AM

160 F to 170 F about the bare minimum to drive it hard. Between 180 F to 200 F is ideal for wailing on it. Acceptable but not ideal is about 230 F - 240 F; 250 F+ gets iffy if running to redline, and over 260 F the ECU will go into limp mode.

11Thumper 12-30-2011 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by EazyD (Post 1468503)
Thanks. I know nothing.

At least you're honest... :happydance:

j/k btw...

bvl 12-30-2011 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by EazyD (Post 1468503)
After a 20-minute commute (backroads + highway), my temp is 170 degrees. Is that too cool? Is there any such thing?

Cold outside and running Mobil1 synthetic.
Thanks. I know nothing.

Sounds about right. With temps < 40F, my oil gauge takes a while to get up to 180 with casual driving from my experience. I am running PP but honestly this is because of the air temp, not your preferred engine lube.

Cooler air is helping with heat exchange and that lump of metal takes longer to get toasty. I certainly don't take it above 6K when cold...but once it starts moving above 150 nothing wrong with mid range torque goodness.

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mantella87 12-30-2011 07:37 AM

Typically, I don't even drive above 2k RPM until ~180 degrees. I'm a little OCD though.

kenchan 12-30-2011 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by mantella87 (Post 1468704)
Typically, I don't even drive above 2k RPM until ~180 degrees. I'm a little OCD though.

That's too low (rpm)

Red__Zed 12-30-2011 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 1468603)
160 F to 170 F about the bare minimum to drive it hard. Between 180 F to 200 F is ideal for wailing on it. Acceptable but not ideal is about 230 F - 240 F; 250 F+ gets iffy if running to redline, and over 260 F the ECU will go into limp mode.

limp mode starts at 280

mantella87 12-30-2011 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1468709)
That's too low (rpm)

How high do you usually shift until it warms up?

m4a1mustang 12-30-2011 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1468709)
That's too low (rpm)

It's fine... but you could go up to 3,000 RPM when cold and be OK.

Spearfish did a cold-start and cold-drive video a while back that showed how high the oil pressure can get when the car is cold and under even a very light load.

b1adesofcha0s 12-30-2011 08:43 AM

It's a little annoying when I can drive all the way to work and not have my oil temp reach 180. I have no time to have a little fun with the Z! Where's that overheating when you need it :rofl2:

m4a1mustang 12-30-2011 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1468760)
It's a little annoying when I can drive all the way to work and not have my oil temp reach 180. I have no time to have a little fun with the Z! Where's that overheating when you need it :rofl2:

Commutes like that suck. They are really hard on the car. You should see how gunky engines look that are only started and driven a few minutes then shut off... It's icky. :icon17:

b1adesofcha0s 12-30-2011 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1468768)
Commutes like that suck. They are really hard on the car. You should see how gunky engines look that are only started and driven a few minutes then shut off... It's icky. :icon17:

Though I like this commute better than the one to school. No traffic FTW!

Mt Tam I am 12-30-2011 09:17 AM

I run my cold engine until the rpm's start to come down on their own, and into gear. I try not to stomp on it until the temp is 180.

How long should warm up be in winter?

m4a1mustang 12-30-2011 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 1468811)
I run my cold engine until the rpm's start to come down on their own, and into gear. I try not to stomp on it until the temp is 180.

How long should warm up be in winter?

Honestly as long as it takes to get the engine above 180 degrees.

roplusbee 12-30-2011 09:24 AM

b1adesofcha0s:

You are in MD? That's wassup..........

to no-one in particular:

So with the addition of the oil coolers and cooler weather, it seems that everything is working well (maybe too well). Guess we will see how it goes during the summer. I'm sure TX will be awesomely hot like normal............

kenchan 12-30-2011 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1468739)
It's fine... but you could go up to 3,000 RPM when cold and be OK.


let's go bog our engines while cold. :ugh2: you drive a AT or something? :icon17:

just drive it normally. i rev 1st gear lightly up to 3.5k as usual but dont mash the pedal. the bigger issue is how much load you're forcing the engine to push while cold i thinks. :D

b1adesofcha0s 12-30-2011 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by roplusbee (Post 1468823)
b1adesofcha0s:

You are in MD? That's wassup..........

to no-one in particular:

So with the addition of the oil coolers and cooler weather, it seems that everything is working well (maybe too well). Guess we will see how it goes during the summer. I'm sure TX will be awesomely hot like normal............

Yes sir :tiphat:

mantella87 12-30-2011 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1468829)
let's go bog our engines while cold. :ugh2: you drive a AT or something? :icon17:

just drive it normally. i rev 1st gear lightly up to 3.5k as usual but dont mash the pedal. the bigger issue is how much load you're forcing the engine to push while cold i thinks. :D

I wouldn't call the 2k range "bogging."

m4a1mustang 12-30-2011 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1468829)
let's go bog our engines while cold. :ugh2: you drive a AT or something? :icon17:

just drive it normally. i rev 1st gear lightly up to 3.5k as usual but dont mash the pedal. the bigger issue is how much load you're forcing the engine to push while cold i thinks. :D

Here is spearfish's video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpa3oNJG3uU

And his comments:

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Originally Posted by spearfish25 from thread "DIY: Oil Pressure Gauge"
NOTE:
Various people have recommended to me over the years to never rev the engine over 2k RPM until the oil warms up. I now know why. Oil pressures will top 100psi when the oil is cold. By the time the oil hits 180F, it's less viscous and flows more easily...you'll have lower oil pressures. No wonder why some guys probably blew their oil cooler lines!


m4a1mustang 12-30-2011 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by roplusbee (Post 1468823)
b1adesofcha0s:

You are in MD? That's wassup..........

to no-one in particular:

So with the addition of the oil coolers and cooler weather, it seems that everything is working well (maybe too well). Guess we will see how it goes during the summer. I'm sure TX will be awesomely hot like normal............

In the winter, if your cooler isn't letting the engine warm up, you need to fab a blocking plate to cover enough of the core to let the engine get to operating temp.

kenchan 12-30-2011 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1468841)
And his comments:

yah, but this is a car sold to the general public for general street use. if one puts misc parts tampering with the stock setting i am sure things can break. :)

i dont foresee myself driving under 2k rpm on street just to warm up the oil.
i drive normally and once temps are above 150F range i gradually open her up. :yum:

m4a1mustang 12-30-2011 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1468861)
yah, but this is a car sold to the general public for general street use. if one puts misc parts tampering with the stock setting i am sure things can break. :)

i dont foresee myself driving under 2k rpm on street just to warm up the oil.
i drive normally and once temps are above 150F range i gradually open her up. :yum:

You also use charburger grease in lieu of engine and gear oil, so we can expect your car to run forever regardless of how you drive. :tiphat:

kenchan 12-30-2011 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1468864)
You also use charburger grease in lieu of engine and gear oil, so we can expect your car to run forever regardless of how you drive. :tiphat:

hummmm...i think you're onto something. :icon17:

EazyD 12-30-2011 01:06 PM

370Z manual states to let the car run for 30 seconds before driving. This is basically the equivalent of watching the RPMs drop slowly when you cold-start in the morning. I do this in the summer, too.

OK, how about this: you have a long stretch of steep downhill in front of you. It's winding and takes you down a small mountain road into town. Traffic is going at 40 mph. Do you: keep it in 5th or 6th and use the brakes, OR, put it in 3rd and engine brake all the way down?

m4a1mustang 12-30-2011 01:12 PM

I use the brakes. They get replaced often anyways.

onzedge 12-30-2011 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1468866)
hummmm...i think you're onto something. :icon17:

:iagree:

gbrettin 12-30-2011 01:37 PM

I only live a few minutes from where I work. I start my car about 10min before I head out the door. ... Sometimes 30min depending how f'ing cold it is outside. I like my cabin warm when I jump in. :)

roplusbee 12-30-2011 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by EazyD (Post 1469133)
370Z manual states to let the car run for 30 seconds before driving. This is basically the equivalent of watching the RPMs drop slowly when you cold-start in the morning. I do this in the summer, too.

OK, how about this: you have a long stretch of steep downhill in front of you. It's winding and takes you down a small mountain road into town. Traffic is going at 40 mph. Do you: keep it in 5th or 6th and use the brakes, OR, put it in 3rd and engine brake all the way down?

I drop it into 3-4 depending on how fast I am going, but that habit may have to change once I see how things go with boost, lol.

kenchan 12-30-2011 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by EazyD (Post 1469133)
OK, how about this: you have a long stretch of steep downhill in front of you. It's winding and takes you down a small mountain road into town. Traffic is going at 40 mph. Do you: keep it in 5th or 6th and use the brakes, OR, put it in 3rd and engine brake all the way down?

i would use 4th and some brakes or 3rd. depends on the grade and traffic. :)

kenchan 12-30-2011 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by gbrettin (Post 1469173)
I only live a few minutes from where I work. I start my car about 10min before I head out the door. ... Sometimes 30min depending how f'ing cold it is outside. I like my cabin warm when I jump in. :)

i would drive at higher rpm in that case going to work and take the long way home. :D

Jordo! 12-30-2011 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1468715)
limp mode starts at 280

I stand corrected -- thanks :tiphat:

haitech 12-30-2011 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1469292)
i would use 4th and some brakes or 3rd. depends on the grade and traffic. :)

I like how you drive :driving:

roplusbee 12-30-2011 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1468864)
You also use charburger grease in lieu of engine and gear oil, so we can expect your car to run forever regardless of how you drive. :tiphat:

You're outta control man! :icon18:

I doubt I will have to use a block off plate in Central TX. Maybe if I get stationed in Italy or in MD. I read that thread as well just in case..........

shumby 12-30-2011 03:28 PM

I am running 0 weith oil now in the winter. at -40C and below you will be hard pressed to get above 180F for an oil temp.

kenchan 12-30-2011 03:53 PM

at below -40C you're outside operational temp of a vehicle.

poorazn 12-30-2011 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1469383)
at below -40C you're outside operational temp of a vehicle.

At -40C many electronics can fail, like my cell phone screen etc


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