Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1465881)

Please expand on your logic here.

Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1465889)

partially true. the point though was the OP was originally concerned if there were any sinister handling characteristics of the 370z that lead to so many people crashing them. i told him that there isn't anything to worry about and the z might even be easier and friendlier to drive than a z06. That is the statement that triggered the whole back and forth going on right now :shakes head:

Originally Posted by Jeffblue (Post 1465887)

If the 'situation' you are in really requires you to have a high performance sports car to avoid an accident, you really need to be paying more attention. the handling characteristcs of your car shouldn't play into your ability to avoid an accident. for gods sake... pay attention. the 370z's handling/braking abilities that it has over a, corolla, are not enough to save you in a bad situation. Sports cars don't handle and brake well to avoid accidents.

with your logic, any fast accelerating car is designed to out run a runaway truck, brake before hitting children as you speed through a school zone, and able to swerve to avoid hitting cute puppies.
what is the most powerful car you have driven?

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1465882)

Well if that was your point you didn't do a very good job arguing it initially.

I still like to go back to what started this all, which is the fact that I was dumbfounded by your claim to be able to assess the superiority of one RWD car when you have never, ever, ever driven another RWD car in your life. It just doesn't make any sense.

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1465805)

It's just so simple. I mean, the SRT-10 makes something around 200 hp at 3,500 rpm or so. Probably something on the order of 400 lb-ft at that RPM. Totally driveable with a good snow tire and weight over the rear, especially with the tall gearing!

Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1465903)

Well at least now you get my point. And I didn't talk about superiority. I wanted to talk about "street manners" (to borrow a word from red). Basically a z will be easier to handle on the street than a corvette because it has better "street manners",

Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1465640)

never driven a z06, or any other rwd car for that matter. but i'd say the z is better balanced and better handling than the corvette. it comes from the factory with a hint of understeer, and you can cure that on the track with a bit of throttle to push it into neutral. so on the road, unless you do something stupid like hard throttle on a slippery road, you won't get the snap oversteer and fishtailing you can get with corvettes. keep the vdc on when it's raining or snowing and you'll be fine.

Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 1465905)

I just went back and reread what I wrote and I think you misunderstood me. What I meant to convey was that your confidence is just so damn sexy! :yum:

Originally Posted by Jeffblue (Post 1465887)

If the 'situation' you are in really requires you to have a high performance sports car to avoid an accident, you really need to be paying more attention. the handling characteristcs of your car shouldn't play into your ability to avoid an accident. for gods sake... pay attention. the 370z's handling/braking abilities that it has over a, corolla, are not enough to save you in a bad situation. Sports cars don't handle and brake well to avoid accidents.

with your logic, any fast accelerating car is designed to out run a runaway truck, brake before hitting children as you speed through a school zone, and able to swerve to avoid hitting cute puppies.

what is the most powerful car you have driven?

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1465908)

This thread is serious business... PM me for fun. :ugh2:


No really, PM me...

Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1465899)

agreed. There does seem to be a perception based on this forum that 370z are getting into wrecks more often than normal. Maybe its true or maybe it's just an artifact of the low number of Z's already on the road like Unknown said. The only way we'll know is if we can access statistics about accident rates. Insurance companies I think might have this kind of data. How can it be accessed?

Originally Posted by Jeffblue (Post 1465900)

you didn't say 'might.' you said it as if it was fact. then we all became aware that you never have driven a z06, nor have you driven any other RWD cars. that's what started this all Mr. Expert.

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1465916)

Most insurance companies are pretty tight-lipped with it since it is proprietary and gives a window into their strategy. IIHS might be your best bet.


HLDI: Insurance losses by make and model


Take from that what you will.

Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1465925)

what are those numbers? total claims? based on that table alone, it seems the GT-R is a collision magnet :ugh2:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1465927)

"Loss results are stated in relative terms (100 represents the average result for all vehicles in each loss coverage category). Colors indicate results in relation to the average for all vehicles:"

Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1465953)

What is the "average" though? Average sports car, or average of everything with 4 wheels on the road? The numbers seem to indicate the Z is much worse than average. Same with almost every other sports car there. Most are in the red or dark red. For some bizzare reason coupes seem to do worse than convertibles of the same car. And FWIW based on those stats, the miata is the safest sports car to buy :icon14: