Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1465779)

so if you had a viper srt 10 to drive year round, you'd just put snow tires and continue as usual? :ugh2: never driven a mid engine car, but i drove a few front midship cars and actually i felt they were very stable under braking. And braking less is not always an option on the street. What if a guy cuts you off? Or a bus unexpectedly pulls out of the bus bay? Or a pedestrian decides to jaywalk across the street right in front of you?

Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1465771)

actually i'm talking about braking in a straight line. a lighter rear end is more prone to fishtailing under hard braking. yes in a corner the opposite is true, and the car will tend to understeer. but in a straight line, with the car diving under hard braking, with all the drivetrain weight on the front wheels, the rear wheels are very prone to losing grip. that's why many older pickup trucks used to come with ABS only on the rear axle.

Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 1465800)

I love your self confidence, it's very endearing.

Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1465779)

so if you had a viper srt 10 to drive year round, you'd just put snow tires and continue as usual? :ugh2: never driven a mid engine car, but i drove a few front midship cars and actually i felt they were very stable under braking. And braking less is not always an option on the street. What if a guy cuts you off? Or a bus unexpectedly pulls out of the bus bay? Or a pedestrian decides to jaywalk across the street right in front of you?

Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1465794)

true, except you're wrong in one thing. Even if you go 100% full throttle in a corolla, you're still delivering less power and torque to the wheel than the viper engine does to its wheels even at idle at 0% throttle :roflpuke2:

Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 1465800)

I love your self confidence, it's very endearing.

Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 1465788)

The car has ABS/EBD. How the f do you lose your backend braking in a straight line unless you are in the snow or your car is busted. I mean you might hit ice mode and lose all your braking, but very seldom does the car lose the backend and swing it around.

Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1465810)

it was snowy. And i didn't lose the back end or anything. The rear just wiggled a bit. You're still assuming you will be at 100% and paying full attention. We're talking about street driving here. Imagine finishing a 12 h shift. You're tired, hungry, and have a headache. And it starts raining or snowing. Rank the following cars according to which one you'll feel safer driving: 1) Viper srt 10, 2) 370z, 3) toyota corolla.

Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1465810)

it was snowy. And i didn't lose the back end or anything. The rear just wiggled a bit.

Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1465810)

it was snowy. And i didn't lose the back end or anything. The rear just wiggled a bit. You're still assuming you will be at 100% and paying full attention. We're talking about street driving here. Imagine finishing a 12 h shift. You're tired, hungry, and have a headache. And it starts raining or snowing. Rank the following cars according to which one you'll feel safer driving: 1) Viper srt 10, 2) 370z, 3) toyota corolla.

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1465803)

simply put, if you don't have the ability to brake with tons of weight on the front axles, you don't have it at all. Besides, if it's a pedestrian you are avoiding, let the rear end come out-- who cares?

I'm curious what front mid-ship cars you've driven since you've never driven another RWD car.




they'll lose grip but they really aren't if there's not much weight out back. besides, lighten up on the pedal if that happens...

Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1465823)

The point was that "tons of weight over the front axle" is not necessarily a good thing to have on a car.

Originally Posted by Jeffblue (Post 1465808)

no matter how well a car handles, it can't make up for poor judgement. If you are speeding down a school zone in a lotus or an escalade, its stupid. In the lotus you can stop more quickly and change direction more easily, but its still stupid


really? i didn't realize cars delivered power to the wheels when the car is in neutral.

Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1465823)

Which FM car I drove? a couple of infiniti awd g coupes. none was mine but i drove them a few times. and the point wasn't my braking ability. I am perfectly capable of braking, though thanks for your advice :ugh2: The point was that "tons of weight over the front axle" is not necessarily a good thing to have on a car.

Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1465826)

you do realize that you don't have to go "speeding down a school zone" in order for someone to cut you off and force hard braking, right?

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1465813)

Earlier you were implying that all that weight up front made the back step out under hard braking in the snow... now you are saying it just wiggled.