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ImportConvert 12-09-2011 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackZeda (Post 1442315)
It also sucks for Nissan when people ask me about my Z and I tell the truth.

I feel that I am just part of a calculation that allows people to be stranded in a parking lot. Anyone on this forum may not value my time, but I certainly do (as my employer and customers).

I guess I am just unrealistic in trying to hold people and companies to higher standards.

Maybe I missed it, but what is wrong and what are they doing to correct it?
How would you feel if your Toyota ran away into an intersection? You would say the same crap. But your massive sample size of 5 didn't include that experience, so you think they are perfect or something. When you can find pph to back up your claim about Nissan 370z vs. Toyota, ill be satisfied. Until then, I'm sorry, Toyota kindof sucks. When I worked for Ford in '05 we were already rated higher in quality. Toyota is just boring and their quality isn't what you think it is. I'm not defending Nissan, I just think your faith in Toyota is not justified.

ImportConvert 12-09-2011 06:33 AM

Sorry, just saw the issue. I'm on my cell. Dude. That's so minor its a joke. I have had other brands do it too. It's not brand specjfic. It's like hating Nissan because the windshield wiped motor went out twice. It's not a quality marker, really.

Alchemy 12-09-2011 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 1442349)
BlackZeda --

Every car maker I know of and have experienced (I have been owning, driving, working on, rebuilding, wrecking and restoring cars for more than 36 years) has problems. Sometimes these are in a few, limited situations and sometimes the problems are more widespread.

To judge an entire company by a few issues that you have had with a single vehicle is neither logical nor fair. You like Toyotas? That's cool because they are very reliable cars; boring as all get out across the board, but reliable. Heck, my wife drives a Toyota and one of my favorite cars was my 1975 Celica. However, if you were one of the guys with the unintended acceleration problem or got your floor mat caught up in the gas pedal, you might be singing a different tune.

As far as Nissans go (z's in particular) my experience is that they are highly reliable and long-lasting. My 370 is my 11th Z car and I still have one of my 240's -- a '71. The 240z has 280,000 or so miles on it, one of my sons has a hand-me-down 1982 280zx (turbo) with more than 350,000 miles and my other son a hand-me-down 1983 280zx NA with about 360,000 miles. These are just a few examples and none of these has had major problems.

I don't know what my point is, exactly, other than to illustrate that when one is stranded it is easy to be upset and say hurtful things. Nissan makes very good cars, just like many other companies. Be patient with what probably are a few freak occurrences, be thankful that you have a good dealer to work with and don't worry so much.

-- onzedge has written...


:tup::tup::tup: IMPRESSIVE mileage on those Z's sir!! WOW 11 Z cars, impressive as well:tiphat:

OP, nothing is perfect in this world. SH1t is gonna happen. Things are ALWAYS gonna break.

Cmike2780 12-09-2011 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackZeda (Post 1442271)
You missed the point.

There is no point. End thread

kenchan 12-09-2011 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackZeda (Post 1442353)
10/09

Sounds like that is significant...

Thanks, yah I will update the info on the intelligent key link.

PapoZalsa 12-09-2011 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by nmjaxx9 (Post 1442113)
wow that sucks...havent had any issues with my 370z like that yet (knock on wood)

:iagree:

BlackZeda 12-09-2011 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1442517)
Maybe I missed it, but what is wrong and what are they doing to correct it?
How would you feel if your Toyota ran away into an intersection? You would say the same crap. But your massive sample size of 5 didn't include that experience, so you think they are perfect or something. When you can find pph to back up your claim about Nissan 370z vs. Toyota, ill be satisfied. Until then, I'm sorry, Toyota kindof sucks. When I worked for Ford in '05 we were already rated higher in quality. Toyota is just boring and their quality isn't what you think it is. I'm not defending Nissan, I just think your faith in Toyota is not justified.

Please, keep on going. It is quite entertaining.

edub370 12-09-2011 08:30 AM

If a no start on a z bothers u, never go out and buy a ferrari, or lambo ar anything of that nature....

every car has its thing. maybe u got lucky with the yotas, but some people havent been so lucky. dont let this one issue scare u away from a company forever. that wouldnt make any logical sense..

ImportConvert 12-09-2011 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackZeda (Post 1442577)
Please, keep on going. It is quite entertaining.

Still doesn't hold a candle to someone saying a brand is crap because their car wouldn't start and needed a couple of minor parts replaced and a tow. You don't have any real information to share, just wanted to whine. I understand, it can be frustrating.

USMCASA 12-09-2011 09:01 AM

i love my nissan, LOVE IT!

oh and btw, IBTL

Spikuh 12-09-2011 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackZeda (Post 1442104)
Went to Starbucks in the morning like I always do (since I work from home and don't commute, but want to drive my Z) and when I attempted to start....NOTHING.

So I got to sit in the parking lot for an hour waiting for a tow and the embarrassment of having a nice Corvette and Camaro drive by with the drivers probably laughing at me.

I feel like I have been had by Nissan....They aren't even close to the quality of Toyotas. Oh, and this is the second time this has happened...

Are you proud of your product Nissan?

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Originally Posted by BlackZeda (Post 1442128)
Don't get me wrong, I love the car and I love driving it, but I am also jaded because I have owned 5 Toyotas since 1988 before. Of those 5 Toyotas I have had ONE problem and that was an oxygen sensor. So yes, I do blame the entire company for stranding me TWICE which hasn't happened to me before.

I may be guilty of having high standards or expectations, but I don't think you would like being in my shoes at that moment.

At the dealership I did speak to the assistant general manager and during the conversation he mentioned that Toyotas have a high amount of recalls. My reply was that Nissan should follow suit and have pride in their product and more importantly attempt to REALLY fix issues.

To their credit the dealership is very responsive and treated me right. But it is the same concept to me when you get the wrong order at McDonald's...."Dude...it is your only job to get the order right". Likewise, a car's purpose is to GO...and even more so with a high-performance version. And it has let me down twice.

I guess I am the only one that considers my time valuable.

Sorry if I have offended anyone, but I can't help but feel embarrassed that I thought Nissan would be of the same quality as Toyota. That's on me.

Followed up by....

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Originally Posted by BlackZeda (Post 1442279)
I agree...My next car is going to be a GTR :driving:

I smell double standard.

My family (extended included) have owned a Murana, about 4 Maximas, 2 Altimas, 2 280zx's, a 50th Anniversery 300zx, an old red pickup truck (no idea on model name) and my 240sx and 370z. Most of mileage on these vehicles was over 130k before we got rid of them. My 240sx has 235k on it.

The extent of issues we have had on these vehicles is the 300zx does not run smoothly because my uncle neglects it and the 240sx needs a new transmission after 200k miles.

We also have a Honda Accord that has gone through 3 transmissions before the 135k mark. Kind of crazy if you ask me, but it doesn't mean the whole company is trash.

All makes have their lemons, just means you need to add some sugar and make lemonaide!!!

BlackZeda 12-09-2011 09:19 AM

I do have to say that even with my beloved Zeda being winched onto the flatbed, it still looks sweet!

onzedge 12-09-2011 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackZeda (Post 1442377)
onzedge

I am trying to keep an open mind, but my post is more of a cautionary tale to prospective buyers.

Thanks for the insightful words!

:tiphat:

geosZ 12-09-2011 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackZeda (Post 1442619)
I do have to say that even with my beloved Zeda being winched onto the flatbed, it still looks sweet!

Indeed. Nice pic

m4a1mustang 12-09-2011 09:37 AM

The people jumping on the OP have probably never had this happen to them before. It's not a good feeling, especially if it happens twice. Getting stranded sucks and it makes it difficult to trust your car especially if it's due to something like an electrical gremlin.

I'd cut the guy some slack. It's very easy to get emotionally hot when you have to deal with a situation like this.

I hope the car gets fixed and you can get back to enjoying your Z without any more problems.

If only the forum as a whole could be more supportive instead of defensive.

- Dr. Phil :p

onzedge 12-09-2011 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 1442427)
/\ cliffs: onzedge is an old bastard. :p ...and he really likes his Z cars. :tup:



/\ steering column lock or something or other was/is an issue with a noticable amount of 09 Zs (and GTRs too I might add).

I prefer to think of myself as "experienced", not old. :icon17:

Also, I may be 51 and old, but I refuse to grow up. Ask anyone. When maturity comes knocking on my door, I pretend I am not at home.

m4a1mustang 12-09-2011 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 1442647)
I prefer to think of myself as "experienced", not old. :icon17:

Also, I may be 51 and old, but I refuse to grow up. Ask anyone. When maturity comes knocking on my door, I pretend I am not at home.

I've seen all those NSFW posts. ;) :roflpuke2:

onzedge 12-09-2011 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Alchemy (Post 1442528)
:tup::tup::tup: IMPRESSIVE mileage on those Z's sir!! WOW 11 Z cars, impressive as well:tiphat:

OP, nothing is perfect in this world. SH1t is gonna happen. Things are ALWAYS gonna break.

Thanks. I like Z's and don't know why exactly.

BlackZeda 12-09-2011 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by edub370 (Post 1442579)
If a no start on a z bothers u, never go out and buy a ferrari, or lambo ar anything of that nature....

every car has its thing. maybe u got lucky with the yotas, but some people havent been so lucky. dont let this one issue scare u away from a company forever. that wouldnt make any logical sense..

Agreed, like I said I think my next car will be a GTR. I am suprised and pleased by how well my Zeda does in the snow and ice with Blizzaks (I thought I was going to have to buy another Tacoma) so I can only imagine how fun a GTR would be in any weather.

ImportConvert 12-09-2011 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1442643)
The people jumping on the OP have probably never had this happen to them before. It's not a good feeling, especially if it happens twice. Getting stranded sucks and it makes it difficult to trust your car especially if it's due to something like an electrical gremlin.

I'd cut the guy some slack. It's very easy to get emotionally hot when you have to deal with a situation like this.

I hope the car gets fixed and you can get back to enjoying your Z without any more problems.

If only the forum as a whole could be more supportive instead of defensive.

- Dr. Phil :p

Been there, done that, multiple times. It's frustrating for sure, but unless if was something more serious I never wrote the brand off. Hence I bought a vette even though my fbody had tons of crap go wrong, almost killing me(randomly died on the freeway, once right in front of an 18wheeler), stranding me, etc.
and hence I'm getting a 370z even though my g20 has been junk.

m4a1mustang 12-09-2011 09:48 AM

You've been everywhere.

BlackZeda 12-09-2011 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1442662)
Been there, done that, multiple times. It's frustrating for sure, but unless if was something more serious I never wrote the brand off. Hence I bought a vette even though my fbody had rims of crap go wrong, almost killing me, stranding me, etc.
and hence I'm getting a 370z even though my g20 has been junk.

"A True Z Fanatic" - No false advertising there :tup:

I am right there with you about the Vette. It is also pretty awesome being a Z owner in Colorado where every guy out of college owns a STI. They really can waste me off the line, but they are still driving off in an ugly, boring Subaru.

BlackZeda 12-09-2011 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by edub370 (Post 1442579)
If a no start on a z bothers u, never go out and buy a ferrari, or lambo ar anything of that nature....

every car has its thing. maybe u got lucky with the yotas, but some people havent been so lucky. dont let this one issue scare u away from a company forever. that wouldnt make any logical sense..

That's why I bought a Nissan! I am a victim of high expectations.

frost 12-09-2011 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1442643)
If only the forum as a whole could be more supportive instead of defensive.

That makes me reminiscent of the way this forum used to be. :shakes head:

The way people would have responded in 2009: "That's terrible man, what's the problem?" :everyone chimes in to help:

The way people respond in 2011: "WTF MAN, NISSAN IS AWSOME!!! HERE ARE ALL THE REASONS YOU'RE AN IDIOT!!!"

If I were stranded somewhere, I'd probably be pissed off too. I don't see any reason to jump his *** about it.

m4a1mustang 12-09-2011 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by frost (Post 1442697)
That makes me reminiscent of the way this forum used to be. :shakes head:

The way people would have responded in 2009: "That's terrible man, what's the problem?" :everyone chimes in to help:

The way people respond in 2011: "WTF MAN, NISSAN IS AWSOME!!! HERE ARE ALL THE REASONS YOU'RE AN IDIOT!!!"

If I were stranded somewhere, I'd probably be pissed off too. I don't see any reason to jump his *** about it.

:iagree:

partsguy 12-09-2011 09:58 AM

I wish I had a dime for everytime someone posts how terrible the Z is. I'd be rich. People should.... if they really hate this car as much as they say.... just move on!!



And... ibtl !!

ImportConvert 12-09-2011 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackZeda (Post 1442656)
Agreed, like I said I think my next car will be a GTR. I am suprised and pleased by how well my Zeda does in the snow and ice with Blizzaks (I thought I was going to have to buy another Tacoma) so I can only imagine how fun a GTR would be in any weather.

With the right tires and common sense, cars are limited in snow only by ground clearance.

ImportConvert 12-09-2011 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackZeda (Post 1442689)
"A True Z Fanatic" - No false advertising there :tup:

I am right there with you about the Vette. It is also pretty awesome being a Z owner in Colorado where every guy out of college owns a STI. They really can waste me off the line, but they are still driving off in an ugly, boring Subaru.

Nope, I'm looking forward to the z, but I know its limits. I think ill be very pleased, glad you are over your frustration, btdt, sucks.

b1adesofcha0s 12-09-2011 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by frost (Post 1442697)
That makes me reminiscent of the way this forum used to be. :shakes head:

The way people would have responded in 2009: "That's terrible man, what's the problem?" :everyone chimes in to help:

The way people respond in 2011: "WTF MAN, NISSAN IS AWSOME!!! HERE ARE ALL THE REASONS YOU'RE AN IDIOT!!!"

If I were stranded somewhere, I'd probably be pissed off too. I don't see any reason to jump his *** about it.

:iagree:

BlackZeda 12-09-2011 11:01 AM

Regarding my issues with Zeda, I have extremely mixed emotions about them which you can maybe understand by reading this:

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...asey-zeda.html

Now that you guys think I am a jerk, you can think I am a panzy too!

m4a1mustang 12-09-2011 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackZeda (Post 1442795)
Regarding my issues with Zeda, I have extremely mixed emotions about them which you can maybe understand by reading this:

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...asey-zeda.html

Now that you guys think I am a jerk, you can think I am a panzy too!

Meh, the OGs have your back. :tup:

frost 12-09-2011 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1442800)
Meh, the OGs have your back. :tup:

:iagree: Anyone who thinks you're a jerk because your car left you stranded and you're upset about it is no one to give a piss about.

BlackZeda 12-09-2011 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1442800)
Meh, the OGs have your back. :tup:

I love the passion of Z owners...I am joining the Z club here in Colorado and am looking forward to hanging out with the Z-heads!

Thanks for the empathy and support :tup:

Spikuh 12-09-2011 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackZeda (Post 1442795)
Now that you guys think I am a jerk, you can think I am a panzy too!

You are definitely not coming off as either a jerk or a pansy. :tup:

We have all experienced loss on some level and get emotional over plenty of things. I try to remember that a lot of tone is lost or does not translate well into words on a forum.

Red__Zed 12-09-2011 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by frost (Post 1442697)
That makes me reminiscent of the way this forum used to be. :shakes head:

The way people would have responded in 2009: "That's terrible man, what's the problem?" :everyone chimes in to help:

The way people respond in 2011: "WTF MAN, NISSAN IS AWSOME!!! HERE ARE ALL THE REASONS YOU'RE AN IDIOT!!!"

If I were stranded somewhere, I'd probably be pissed off too. I don't see any reason to jump his *** about it.

Truth

onzedge 12-09-2011 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by frost (Post 1442801)
:iagree: Anyone who thinks you're a jerk because your car left you stranded and you're upset about it is no one to give a piss about.

:iagree:

UNKNOWN_370 12-09-2011 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by frost (Post 1442697)
That makes me reminiscent of the way this forum used to be. :shakes head:

The way people would have responded in 2009: "That's terrible man, what's the problem?" :everyone chimes in to help:

The way people respond in 2011: "WTF MAN, NISSAN IS AWSOME!!! HERE ARE ALL THE REASONS YOU'RE AN IDIOT!!!"

If I were stranded somewhere, I'd probably be pissed off too. I don't see any reason to jump his *** about it.


Man as much as I agree with everything you said. Its not the situation or his anger. Its the way the thread is written. Look at the opening question? Are you proud of your Z. Then he's goes on about hondas and toyotas. And camaro and vette owners laughing at him.
Man i'd be hella pissed in his situation too. But my thoughts wouldn't be in what vette drivers are thinking seeing me here. If his frustration was written in the actual situation and not what camaro mustang and vette owners think about him being stuck. He wouldn't need a flame suit.
There's different ways to express your frustration with a car or its operational malfunctions.. he just struck nerves. I think if he would have been more direct and just said. "I'm tired of my nissan stalling. I'm going to look into another car. Or I never had this problem with other brands." People would have been more eager to help.

And in 09, even though we had more experienced guys that helped a lot BUT there were more flamers and harsher ones than we have now. And everyone was in little groups flaming people. Many were also pretentious and acted like the Z was a ferrari or did the complete opposite. We had overly passionate members back then.
I think today. We are a much more united forum even though many are less experienced. :)

m4a1mustang 12-09-2011 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1442839)
Man as much as I agree with everything you said. Its not the situation or his anger. Its the way the thread is written. Look at the opening question? Are you proud of your Z. Then he's goes on about hondas and toyotas. And camaro and vette owners laughing at him.
Man i'd be hella pissed in his situation too. But my thoughts wouldn't be in what vette drivers are thinking seeing me here. If his frustration was written in the actual situation and not what camaro mustang and vette owners think about him being stuck. He wouldn't need a flame suit.
There's different ways to express your frustration with a car or its operational malfunctions.. he just struck nerves. I think if he would have been more direct and just said. "I'm tired of my nissan stalling. I'm going to look into another car. Or I never had this problem with other brands." People would have been more eager to help.

And in 09, even though we had more experienced guys that helped a lot BUT there were more flamers and harsher ones than we have now. And everyone was in little groups flaming people. Many were also pretentious and acted like the Z was a ferrari or did the complete opposite. We had overly passionate members back then.
I think today. We are a much more united forum even though many are less experienced. :)

He didn't ask if we were proud of our Zs. Re-read what he said.

The question was directed at NISSAN...

And it's quite obvious it was a heat of the moment thing. We all know we say things we don't mean or we shouldn't when we are pissed.

BlackZeda 12-09-2011 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1442839)
...Are you proud of your Z. Then he's goes on about hondas and toyotas...

Man, be honest and accurate. The thread is directed at Nissan, but you misquote the thread title which is: "Are you proud of this Nissan". I never mentioned Hondas once.

I think Nissan should have a little shame, and yes, due to my experience with Toyotas I have high expectations of Japanese cars (freaking shoot me).

The point about the Camaro and Corvette is that is exactly why I bought a Nissan. I didn't want to be the guy in a Chevy stuck in the parking lot, having a Nissan driving by me validating their good decision not to go with a Chews-Heads-Eats-Valves-Yearly. It makes me feel foolish thinking that I could expect the quality I have experienced with my Toyotas.

At risk of getting more hate directed at me, I can list the other ridiculous issues I have had with Zeda (notice I refer to my car by her name, not my Z).

But like a few women I have dated in the past, she is beautiful, but has a few issues (I will leave it at that).

Also stated by me:

1) I love Zeda and driving her everyday and will not get rid of her
2) My next car will probably be a GTR
3) I chose Nissan because I was impressed by how well they held up as rental cars

It is one thing to criticize for my statements, but it is another thing altogether to fabricate statements and then attack me.

You don't think Nissan engineers should have a bit of shame for seeing that picture? I think you would be singing a different tune when you merely want to grab some coffee for the purpose of driving your Z, then not being able to drive back the mile back home to start the work day.

Again, you don't have any value for my time, but I do. I think you read into it what you wanted...and for what purpose?

UNKNOWN_370 12-09-2011 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1442842)
He didn't ask if we were proud of our Zs. Re-read what he said.

The question was directed at NISSAN...

And it's quite obvious it was a heat of the moment thing. We all know we say things we don't mean or we shouldn't when we are pissed.

"In the heat of the moment?"So you're telling me he wrote the thread on the side of the road??? That kind of heat of the moment. Yeah I guess I need to go back and read the thread.


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