1500 dollars = increase of over 100whp/tq.....359hp/380tq with a cobb AP stage1+ tune and a front mount intercooler.

2800 dollars (full bolt ons 370z)=320whp on an accurate dyno.

so you are saying spending 2800 dollars for 30whp is more worthwhile than 1500 dollars for 100whp? :rolleyes:

Honestly, I think the price of most mods for the 370z isn't that cheap either. It's true for A LOT of other Nissan cars that get modded, but 370Z and GTR are in a pretty decent mod-price league.

Part of the reason why the aftermarket for BMWs is so expensive is due to them being higher priced luxury cars, a lot of owners are older and can afford the higher priced parts. Then you have a bunch of people that just want to impress others and tell them they bought some crazy expensive mod that they can't really afford.

You're not looking at the right numbers if you compare mods for the 370z to mods for FI BMWs, theyre actually very close in their price range.


Don't forget we have expensive parts too... akrapovic exhaust anyone? Doesn't mean you have to buy that particular one.

Pics or it didnt happen :)





DAN

I have a few pics on my blackberry I'll upload them in class tonight, still finishing that paper, got caught up driving that Lotus I didn't bother finishing it.

I could be wrong but isn't the 1M good for like 12.8-12.9 in the 1/4 while the Z is only good for 13.1-13.3? I'm not saying the extra cost justifies the slight gains in speed but I'm not sure I would say the Z is just as quick or quicker.

The Z weighs less and makes similar power out of a non forced induced engine. Eventually you will reach a point with the BMW turbos where they are maxed out and then the heavy modding starts putting you near or above the price of a twin turbo kit. Also remember the Z aftermarket has developed slowly, hell we just got our Stage II GTM supercharger release this month, you should expect high prices. In the long run I believe that the 1M will retain an collectability allure but when it comes down to performance, give me a modded Z over a modded 1M any day. I'm actually thrilled he bought it, I needed a mod war partner. I'll say this, if I get gears and I'm building up to it because the top speed sacrifices are marginal how often will you hit 160+, the 1M and e92 M won't stand a chance.

BTW, youtube is filled with vids of 335i's that are tuned and getting beat by Z's. They have no limited slip, they are heavy and they are good for straight lines only!

Sounds like a dangerous claim to make while on this forum...

It is, I've personally found my Z and I ahead and I don't pay anywhere close to what he pays a month. Tsk tsk, sure I wouldn't put it in the raw power category of the 5.0 but it looks better than a generic mustang and is much faster if done right than people think and I'm speaking from experience.

As sick as the TT RS is (and the BOSS), I think I'm saving up and moving to a used Audi R8 4.2; my next car is definitely going to be mid-engined.

Loved the Cayman, but with the move up, I want to add two cylinders. :happydance:

Of course, this may entail two-three years' worth of saving. Settling into the new house is still sucking up $$$... :rolleyes:

v10 or :gtfo2: :p


... but seriously. The v8 r8 isn't even that fast.

When it comes to cheap mods, domestics run sh1t. With 1k, you can add 60 to 80hp on a camaro or stang, while for the same 1k, if we make 24hp? We are happy. But the Z is a totally different animal. So parts will run more. The trick with japanese cars is to be patient and be ready. Parts are moderately expensive but we see some pretty good sales and offers. If we try our hardest to stay on top of the game and remain financially prepared. We can mod at pretty descent prices if we buy as soon as sales are announced.

You my friend have style

Anyways I love how this thread has turned into a general sports car forum

After I heard the turbos going crazy at 5mph on a 2012 nissan gtr black edition. I know I want a gt-r. It will have to be used, but it WILL HAPPEN at some point. Theres nothing in this world that's better than the sound of an aggressive turbo system.

I can't drive a paddle shift, it goes against my existence as an automotive purist. Short of the 458, MPC, CLK Black Series and Lamborghini I would not do it. Basically if its not a supercar/hypercar selling out for SMG does not do it for me. I would get very bored very quickly. The GTR is a very fast car but bought by very unskilled drivers or people who have $ and want to be the "fastest." Put two guys one being a pro and one being an amateur and they'll run very close times.

Our friend with the nice camera is taking his time and I know I promised pics. Here are a few taken with my blackberry.

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...0925-00142.jpg
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...0925-00141.jpg
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...0925-00140.jpg
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...0925-00139.jpg
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...0925-00137.jpg
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...0925-00138.jpg
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...0925-00136.jpg

Now since you've previewed the pictures, I have a sincere question. I've replaced every removable part, but I need to figure out a color for the vinyl on the remaining pieces. What would you guys recommend, other than matte black, that's been done already.

Gloss black... something to blend in with the CF.

Carbon fiber vinyl? :rofl2:

Can't the CF vinyl is matte. Don't really want black, right now the red takes away from the CF and everyone has done black.

Yeah but anything else is just gonna look crappy, like patchwork. So you are limited in what you can do...

I think Jamaica did matte black on project Lizzette and I wasn't really into it. I really should just roll into the vinyl shop and brainstorm.

they have the doors in CF. The only parts thats not in CF is the rear quarter panel which can be done.

It's going to be a hard cap for the roof and the rear quarters, after all replacement parts I don't really want CF cap parts for the remaining panels. The caps would cost a lot for a part that isn't real CF, I think the average roof goes for $400-$500 dollars. I'll probably stay red until I get bored of it. I like the way it looks but I'm aware I should probably vinyl it. Right now my latest idea was matte dark green.

I actually like green on these cars. If you go that route, I'd love to see how it turns out. :tup:

Plus a Matte Green won't take away from the CF won't blend it like the black. Still I will say I'm happy the hatch got here, my local experienced race/body shop and I are brainstorming ways to mount the GT wing I don't know if I'll have that on by the time fall swings around. My phone died when the Lotus got there, that thing is so wicked to drive.

I saw one in person the other day. It was very nice... until I saw the sticker price.

It's almost used GTR territory and quite honestly (yes I know I drive a Z) but a little too small. I mean, lets face it, the Z is small but it doesn't try to be large or roomy.

The 1 series is rather small and I don't think the seats would be useful for anything other than a coat or book bag.

They are dead sexy looking though...

Great pics of the 1M! :tup:

I'm sure an AWESOME ride, but I just can't get over the looks. Again, looks like a 3-series that went thru a "Vacu-FoodSaver". :icon14:

Hehe - I'd love the V10! But $$$ aside, the mileage will kill me: I plan on DD'ing the R8. :D

Yup - sorry for straying off the path - back to the 1M! :driving:

BMW 1M = FUGLY!

Seriously for the cost you';d think the design team could come up with a better looking car....

isn't carbonsignal local to us? why don't you just pay them to make one off's of the parts you need. If the rest of the CF was supposedly free from a sponsorship, why not suck it up and pay for the parts you need to finish it off. Its driving me nuts driving around my 300zx with the unpainted bumper. i can't stand having a car with mismatched body panels, i dont know how you deal with it.

or just get the car painted red, but maybe leave some CF coming through

I agree. :tup:

I'm not a fan of the rear bumper as much but the fender flairs are wicked and the front fasica with angle eyes is always an eye catcher.

Seeing pictures of the 1M on the internet makes the car look like a mess: way too busy in its design.

It seems like it is all function over beauty. BMW has claimed it to be a modern day E30 M3, although I'm sure it's a much different car. The price premium probably comes from the small numbers it's produced in.

This car marks their (M) departure from high revving, naturally aspirated engines.

That torque must be a hoot to use...